How to walk in the Spirit.

[Sidon]

This is the error-in thinking that we're holy when, in truth, we know better.

And that's why I said previously, "salvation has absolutely and exactly nothing to do with how we "see" ourselves, but everything to do with how we are".

Let me get you up and running straight.
You are on My THREADS, that talk about this verse. Hebrews 13:9.
In one of them, i teach that the renewed mind is to walk in the Spirit.
You are on the Thread since the first day.

Today you are writing a post that says.....>"salvation has nothing to do with how we SEE".

Yet, Salvation, is the Cross of Christ that we SEE as our Salvation and we go to this Savior, because we've SEEN the TRUTH.

Also, when we are born again, we are become, a "new Creation".
That is our born again Spirit.
However, our MIND, is not born again, and its not renewed, which is why you are told to "renew your mind".
To renew you mind will find you as walking in the spirit, once it's renewed.
How to renew it?
You are to learn how God views you........what is His perspective of a born again child of God.
This requires you to be born again, and not just water baptized.
You learn what God's perspective is, regarding all the born again.... and then you renew your mind by becoming that same perspective (mind) as how you ONLY see yourself, and never leave that.

 

[Clare73]

So then as through one trespass [the judgment came] unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness [the free gift came] unto all men to justification of life. Rom 5:18-19
Well, dikaioo can mean to render righteous, i.e. make righteous-so your insistence on it absolutely having to mean a strictly declared righteousness or acquittal of unrighteousness doesn't automatically follow,

That is its definition in the Greek dictionary, and its usage in
Luke 7:29; Romans 3:4 by man, declaring of God,
Luke 10:29, Luke 16:15 by man, declaring of himself,
Romans 3:24, 26, 4:25, 5:16, 18 by God, declaring of man.

and especially in light of all the other passages that speak of a real righteousness now given IMO. And

you're assuming that the concept of "imputed" necessarily fits with Rom 5:18-19.

I am assuming nothing, the language couldn't be any clearer.
The two contrasting parallels require it--"just as" stating the imputations in each parallel (v.18, v.19) are of the same nature; i.e., the outcomes in each parallel (guilt, righteousness) have nothing to do with what man did--and there is no Bilbical reason to deny it, while there is every Biblical reason to agree with it.
Christians and Biblial scholars for centuries have understood the clear and indisputable direct imputations of Romans 5:18-19, and there is no valid reason for denying its plain meaning.

Yes, all fell with Adam. But

that doesn't mean that his sin was only imputed to us

The issue is not "only," the issue is "direct." And the text couldn't be any clearer that imputation is "exact and direct."

You are referring to the "sinful (fallen) nature" of man, inherited from Adam.
Imputation is not about the sinful (dead, sick, lost) nature inherited from Adam, it's about
the guilt of Adam accounted to us, which is why we are born condemned (Romans 5:18).
Both inherited fallen nature of Adam and imputed guilt of Adam are true.

We all genuiely inherited the sin, the unjust state sometimes knows an "original sin." IOW, fallen

man is truly born into a state of being that is out of line with God's will for man, that of being spiritually separated from, out of communion with, Him: lost, dead, sick.

Yes, it is called no eternal life; guilty of the sin of Adam; condemned (Romans 5:18).

To rectify this situation Jesus comes and reveals the true face of God so that we may believe in and turn back to Him, after suffering life in exile from the God whom Adam rejected. Reconciliation is accomplished and

man is justified- not merely imputed to be justified.

He is justified by faith (apart from works) in the person and work of Jesus Christ.
He is declared "not guilty," righteous (in permanent right standing with God's justice, never to be condemned again), which is not a declaration, nor imputation, of holiness.

Holiness is the result of the righeousness of sanctification in the Holy Spirit through obedience.

Through the unrighteous act of the one man Adam all were made unrighteous and through the righteous act of the one man Jesus, all are made righteous.

Either way, if you agree that sanctification begins taking place immediately for the justified one and that said holiness is necessary for realizing eternal life, then we wouldn't be so far off.

I agree that "Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

I'm hoping to rejoice that you see in the clear language of Romans 5:18-19 what Christians and Biblical scholars have seen for centuries--that Adam's sin is "exactly and directly" imputed to us, (just) as is Christ's righteouness (which gives us permanent right-standing with God's justice, never to be condemned again) is imputed to us.

This is exciting!

 

[fhansen]

That is its definition in the Greek dictionary, and its usage in
Luke 7:29; Romans 3:4 by man, declaring of God,
Luke 10:29, Luke 16:15 by man, declaring of himself,
Romans 3:24, 26, 4:25, 5:16, 18 by God, declaring of man.

No, its definition can also be made right. And none of those has to do with imputation anyway, but declaration based on and because of real or perceived or attempts at righteousness. Same as Rom 2:13:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."

So now we know what makes a man righteous. It's, um...righteousness! It's just that it does not, because it can not, come from us.

the outcomes in each parallel (guilt, righteousness) have nothing to do with what man did-

Well, Adam certainly did something. And we aren't guilty of the sin itself but inherited that guilt in an analogical sense. Either way the unrighteousness or injustice that we inherited was real personal unrighteousness, not a merely imputed unrighteousness. You could say we were given Adam's state of injustice. And the righteousness we receive from Christ is a real, personal righteousness, not merely imputed either.

Yes, it is called no eternal life; guilty of the sin of Adam; condemned (Romans 5:18).

No, its more than that, more than the consequences. It's the unjust state -of being out of communion with our Creator. This is a gross anomaly and offense in creation, as all sin is. Man was made for communion with God and is dead apart from Him. And we may, as Adam did in Eden, continue to prefer things that way. But we’re here to learn this simple truth: man needs God, man was made for communion with God. The ugliness we witness and participate in in this world is a direct result of that separation.

He is justified by faith (apart from works) in the person and work of Jesus Christ.
He is declared "not guilty," righteous (in permanent right standing with God's justice, never to be condemned again), which is not a declaration, nor imputation, of holiness.

He's not guilty and not condemned because he's forgiven and made just. There's nothing necessarily permanent about it, however, since anyone can walk away from justice, turning back to injustice.

I'm hoping to rejoice over the fact that you see in the clear language of Romans 5:18-19 what Christians and Biblical scholars have seen for centuries--that Adam's sin is "exactly and directly" imputed to us, (just) as is Christ's righteouness (giving us permanent right-standing with God's justice, never to be condemned again) is imputed to us

Sheez, a few presumptuous bible readers opened the door to a tidal wave of false theologies a few centuries ago-surely nothing to celebrate there. Adam's descendants were to experience Adam's sin directly, viscerally, themselves: the rebellion from God and the alienation it resulted in, with all the consequences that have resulted in all the centuries of human history past, so that we all might learn what evil tastes like and begin to develop a hunger and thirst and love for the Good instead and welcome Him in when He comes to our door. Jesus knocks, he holds the keys to heaven or hell, to the freedom from the slavery of sin that kills us. By giving us the righteousness that we could never obtain on our own. Its all about restoration to God.

I agree that "Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

Yes, without being sanctified, made authentically righteous/sinless, no one will see the Lord. We can trust that He'll get us there-as long as we want it too. We were never created to be sinners after all-we just need Him, desperately.

 

[Sidon]

Adam's sin is "exactly and directly" imputed to us, (just) as is Christ's righteouness (which gives us permanent right-standing with God's justice, never to be condemned again) is imputed to us.

Yes, and when you can see that the born again have "Christ's Righteousness", you can then turn to Romans 4:8, and read that God does not charge sin to the Born again, BECAUSE the born again are all "the righteousness of GOD, in Christ'.
So, that is why we dont need to confess, what isn't a part of us..
What does that mean????
It means that once you can see this revelation, and believe it, you'll then read John 1:9 and think...."ah, thats not talking to the BORN AGAIN, who already and ALWAYS have GOD's RIGHTEOUSNESS", imputed to them, FOREVER.

Hopefully this will be your renewed mind at some point, so that you can begin to understand what being a "new Creation", "in Christ" is teaching YOU.

 

[Clare73]

No, its definition can also be made right.

And that indicates action from the outside, and not from the individual; i.e., imputation.

And none of those has to do with imputation anyway,

Areed.

but declaration based on and because of real or perceived or attempts at righteousness.

No. . .based on their faith (apart from works and attempts at righteousness--Ephesians 5:8-9) in Jesus Christ and his atoning work for the remission of their sin, removing their guilt and condemnation (Romans 5:18).

Same as Rom 2:13:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
So now we know what makes a man righteous. It's, um...righteousness! It's just that it does not, because it can not, come from us.

And it cannot come from us because we cannot do it as required by the law, due to our fallen nature, and therefore our failure is transgression/sin, which brings us under the curse of the law, for "All who rely on the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10) because they can't do it.

Well, Adam certainly did something. And we aren't guilty of the sin itself but
inherited that guilt in an analogical sense.

No, Paul clearly teaches that the guilt of Adam is imputed to us just as the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us; i.e., we had nothing to do with the outcomes of either guilt, or righteousness (Romans 5:18-19).

Either way the unrighteousness or injustice that we inherited was real personal unrighteousness,

Yes, we inherited Adam's fallen nature, a "real personal unrighteousness."
not a merely imputed unrighteousness.

Unrighteousness was not imputed to us.
It is Adam's guilt which is imputed to us, causing our condemnation (Romans 5:18-19).

Inherited and imputed are not the same thing, and do not have the same object (sinful nature vs. guilt)

inherited --> Adam's sinful nature, personal unrighteousness
imputed --> Adam's guilt, the cause of our condemnation

You could say we were given Adam's state of injustice. And the righteousness we receive from Christ is a real, personal righteousness, not merely imputed either.

Our righteousness is the same as Abraham's: credited/imputed by faith apart from works (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3). . .we've covered this.

It's like I'm dealing with two different people in my engagement with you. You are person #1.

The post to which you are responding was to person #2.

Person #2 got this, but you (person #1) are not.

So I'm going to leave it at what I presented to person #2.
Get him to explain it to you.

No, its more than that, more than the consequences. It's the unjust state -of being out of communion with our Creator. This is a gross anomaly and offense in creation, as all sin is. Man was made for communion with God and is dead apart from Him. And we may, as Adam did in Eden, continue to prefer things that way. But we’re here to learn this simple truth: man needs God, man was made for communion with God. The ugliness we witness and participate in in this world is a direct result of that separation.

He's not guilty and not condemned because he's forgiven and made just. There's nothing necessarily permanent about it, however, since anyone can walk away from justice, turning back to injustice.

Sheez, a few presumptuous bible readers opened the door to a tidal wave of false theologies a few centuries ago-surely nothing to celebrate there. Adam's descendants were to experience Adam's sin directly, viscerally, themselves: the rebellion from God and the alienation it resulted in, with all the consequences that have resulted in all the centuries of human history past, so that we all might learn what evil tastes like and begin to develop a hunger and thirst and love for the Good instead and welcome Him in when He comes to our door. Jesus knocks, he holds the keys to heaven or hell, to the freedom from the slavery of sin that kills us. By giving us the righteousness that we could never obtain on our own. Its all about restoration to God.

Yes, without being sanctified, made authentically righteous/sinless, no one will see the Lord. We can trust that He'll get us there-as long as we want it too. We were never created to be sinners after all-we just need Him, desperately.

 

[fhansen]

Let me get you up and running straight.
You are on My THREADS, that talk about this verse. Hebrews 13:9.
In one of them, i teach that the renewed mind is to walk in the Spirit.
You are on the Thread since the first day.

Thanks for trying to set me straight, but if you want to keep me off YOUR THREADS you only have to teach good theology-the gospel of Christ! Not “strange teachings”, as per Hebrews 13:9. Or try to get me banned maybe so you can entertain only those who agree with you- IDK how that might work.

It means that once you can see this revelation, and believe it, you'll then read John 1:9 and think...."ah, thats not talking to the BORN AGAIN, who already and ALWAYS have GOD's RIGHTEOUSNESS", imputed to them, FOREVER.

I’m sure you meant 1 John 1:9 but your understanding of it’s application is flawed. And really just amounts to an erroneous intellectual concept -regarding our justified status. Anyway,
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.”

If that doesn’t apply even to the reborn then that means Christ died not only to win forgiveness of past sins, but also so that we’ll no longer be held accountable for future sins as well!!?? He died so we can remain as we already were, for all practical purposes? Christ dies so that we can now pretend, along with God, that we’re righteous regardless of the truth of the matter-because now we’re some kind of split personality, one good-or at least “imputedly” so- and the other bad? Someone’s smiling at that notion-and it isn’t God. His gospel is about truth. And the truth is that being born again is the beginning of a new life, birthed into the family of God. We’re not saved just because we believe ourselves to have made a onetime act of faith at some time in the past. We’re saved as we continue to live and walk as children of God-and that means a bunch more than just seeing ourselves as such.

At the end of Romans 7 where Paul asks, “Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?”, he then exclaims, “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!” Jesus delivers us from sin, not by excusing future sins but by ending them, purifying us of them as we walk and work together with Him so that we have the ability, with grace, to ‘go, and sin no more” (John 8:11). He died to reconcile us with God so that, within and due to that now just state of existence, we possess the righteousness to overcome the sin that killed us-and which will continue to if we persist in it. As Scripture tells us, we reap what we sow and sin will earn us death: Gal 5:16-21, Gal 6:7-10, Rev 21:6-8, Rev 22:14-15

It’s a struggle, a test, a journey-but a good one that has nothing but an ineffably good end to the extent that we persevere in doing the best we can with whatever we’re given. The Parable of the Talents sheds much light on this. And if and when we fail and then return in sincere repentance, He places us back on the right path again. This is not to become some mechanical, regular and legalistically observed habit but the addressing of a real need for us, as necessary.

Alternatively, if it’s more convenient to ignore Scripture that conflicts with our theology, that’s always an option. Tell you what though, I’ve said my peace as best I could and I’ll get out of your hair, and your thread now.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, and when you can see that the born again have "Christ's Righteousness", you can then turn to Romans 4:8, and read that God does not charge sin to the Born again,

Half-baked.

Right, because in justification we were given permanent right-standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty," never to be condemned again (have sin charged against us).

Study the post in regards to the nature of Christ's righteousness imputed to us.

 

[Sidon]

Thanks for trying to set me straight, but if you want to keep me off YOUR THREADS you only have to teach good theology-the gospel of Christ! Not “strange teachings”, as per Hebrews 13:9. Or try to get me banned maybe so you can entertain only those who agree with you- IDK how that might work.
.

Why would i try to get you banned?
Listen, im a grown up. I dont reach for the "report" button, as many carnal children do here, when they can't win their argument, and so they run to a mod and throw a tantrum of flesh using the REPORT BUTTON.
Im not that person.
You are welcome on my Threads. You actually support them, by helping me show the distinction between a person who agrees with the Cross and the person who is up on it trying to stay saved.

Also, Hebrews 13:9 is a core verse, regarding why people like you are off the theological rails.
It talks about you, it says that some are caught up in the teachings of the corrupted, lost in commentaries, vs, being the one who is faith grounded in God's Grace, which is found in the simplicity that is found In Christ.
THat verse is explaining to you, that when you follow a man, a cult, a denomination, instead of being ONLY Christ centered in God's Grace, and understanding why you have to be that one always, then you end up arguing against the Grace of God, and don't even realized it.

 

[Sidon]

Half-baked.

Right, because in justification we were given permanent right-standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty," never to be condemned again (have sin charged against us).

Study the post in regards to the nature of Christ's righteousness imputed to us.

Try to behave like a christian.
And, certainly we the born again, are as sinless as the Blood of Jesus =as the Righteousness of God= has made us to exist as "in Christ", for eternity.
Once born again, always born again.
So, when we are God righteousness, then when we read an Apostle talking about "if we sin", then we understand , theologically, spiritually, and logically, that that born again In Christ, Apostle, isn't the one with the "sin".

 

[fhansen]

Why would i try to get you banned?
Listen, im a grown up. I dont reach for the "report" button, as many carnal children do here, when they can't win their argument, and so they run to a mod and throw a tantrum of flesh using the REPORT BUTTON.
Im not that person.
You are welcome on my Threads. You actually support them, by helping me show the distinction between a person who agrees with the Cross and the person who is up on it trying to stay saved.

Also, Hebrews 13:9 is a core verse, regarding why people like you are off the theological rails.
It talks about you, it says that some are caught up in the teachings of the corrupted, lost in commentaries, vs, being the one who is faith grounded in God's Grace, which is found in the simplicity that is found In Christ.
THat verse is explaining to you, that when you follow a man, a cult, a denomination, instead of being ONLY Christ centered in God's Grace, and understanding why you have to be that one always, then you end up arguing against the Grace of God, and don't even realized it.

I wasn’t trying to get banned; you were just expressing some frustration it seemed and I offered it as a possibility, tongue in cheek mainly. You’ve been quite civil overall considering our differences, and I also appreciate the exchange as it brings into focus the contrast in beliefs that make up the truths of the Christian faith. And truth should be the main objective in any case, and never something to be feared. As Augustine once put it, “All truth is God’s truth.”

Anyway, I know you’re sincere but for my part I sincerely consider Heb 13:9 as applying to your teachings, as being foreign, even if there’s certainly a grain or two of truth in there as well. You follow man; you’re own human fault-prone opinion and understanding of Scripture, influenced, truth be known, by novel understandings of other men dating primarily from the Reformation. But I used to do it too.

 

[fhansen]

And that indicates action from the outside, and not from the individual; i.e., imputation.

Yes, it indicates action from the outside, and not from the individual; i.e., "impartation".
IOW, at justification, in response to faith, man is truly made just; given righteousness. For example, with love being the absolute epitome of justice or righteousness for man:
"And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us." Rom 5:5

And then he's enjoined to walk in that justice, and continue to do so throughout his life, and grow in it more than he slips backwards away from it in the overall scheme of things. To God's satisfaction.
"At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love." (Quoted from just some 16th century believer-guy who happened to get things right-and sum it up well.)

And it cannot come from us because we cannot do it as required by the law, due to our fallen nature, and therefore our failure is transgression/sin, which brings us under the curse of the law, for "All who rely on the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10) because they can't do it.

But,
"Apart from Me you can do nothing". John 15:5

"I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." Phil 4:13

Or, as Luther once said,
"We are not made righteous by doing righteous deeds, but when we have been made righteous we do righteous deeds."
And do them we must.

No, Paul clearly teaches that the guilt of Adam is imputed to us just as the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us; i.e., we had nothing to do with the outcomes of either guilt, or righteousness (Romans 5:18-19).

No, your concept of strict imputation doesn't fit here as a one-for-one exchange because Adams unrighteousness was not strictly imputed to us; we weren't merely declared to be guilty, but we actually got the sin; we received the alienation from God and the pride and rebellion within ourselves that prompted and accompanied that first sin-and the propensity for more sin that resulted. It's rife all over the world now-in every one of us.

 

[Clare73]

Try to behave like a christian.
And, certainly we the born again, are as sinless as the Blood of Jesus =as the Righteousness of God= has made us to exist as "in Christ", for eternity.
Once born again, always born again.
So, when we are God righteousness, then when we read an Apostle talking about "if we sin", then we understand , theologically, spiritually, and logically, that that born again In Christ, Apostle, isn't the one with the "sin".

Unless your erroneous theology regarding sin in the believer requires you to deny the plain meaning of the text.

Something is amiss when one can deny that "we" does not include the one who is using the word, thereby putting your theology over Scripture and setting Scripture against itself.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, it indicates action from the outside, and not from the individual; i.e., "impartation".
IOW,
at justification, in response to faith, man is truly made just; given righteousness.

Yes, in the form of no guilt, in right-standing with God's justice, never to be condemned again.
But it is not holiness, it is only "not guilty."

Holiness is the issue under discussion.
The righteousness of holiness is in sanctification in the Holy Spirit through obedience.
Get person #2 (post #602) to explain it to you.

No, your concept of strict imputation doesn't fit here as a one-for-one exchange because Adams unrighteousness was not strictly imputed to us; we weren't merely declared to be guilty, but we actually got the sin;

Adam's guilt was imputed to us.

Adam's unrighteousness (fallen nature) is inherited by us.

we received the alienation from God and the pride and rebellion within ourselves that prompted and accompanied that first sin-and the propensity for more sin that resulted. It's rife all over the world now-in every one of us.

Get person #2 (post #602) to explain it to you.

 

[fhansen]

Yes, in the form of no guilt, in right-standing with God's justice, never to be condemned again.
But it is not holiness, it is only "not guilty."

No, it's both.

Holiness is the issue under discussion.

Holiness is righteousness, sinlessness, love, to put it most aptly, which is what I maintain is given at justification and continuing with sanctification. And this is all, while being a gift, also necessarily a human choice.

Get person #2 to explain it to you.

Yes, thank you-already did.

 

[Clare73]

No, it's both.

Holiness is righteousness, sinlessness, love, to put it most aptly, which is what I maintain is given at justification and continuing with sanctification.

A declaration of not guilty and right-standing with God's justice (justification) is not holiness.

I think our problem is nomenclature.

The righteousness you are ascribing to justification is actually due to faith (Romans 1:17).
But faith results in salvation/justification, so I understand why you ascribe it to justification.

 

[Ligurian]

Yes, and when you can see that the born again have "Christ's Righteousness", you can then turn to Romans 4:8, and read that God does not charge sin to the Born again, BECAUSE the born again are all "the righteousness of GOD, in Christ'.
So, that is why we dont need to confess, what isn't a part of us..
What does that mean????
It means that once you can see this revelation, and believe it, you'll then read John 1:9 and think...."ah, thats not talking to the BORN AGAIN, who already and ALWAYS have GOD's RIGHTEOUSNESS", imputed to them, FOREVER.

Hopefully this will be your renewed mind at some point, so that you can begin to understand what being a "new Creation", "in Christ" is teaching YOU.

You know what I notice? People who quote Paul quote Luke. When they step outside their area of comfort, they tend to put the cart before the horse... trying to make John fit Paul, rather than the other way around.

The words of Jesus is the yardstick against which all others are measured. John 1:9 is conditional, obviously. Even in the context itself, the condition is entirely apparent.

John.1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on His name/authority:

The Greek word for received is also translated as given.

John 6:65 And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto him of My Father.

Going back to John 1:9, and finding the places the Greek word for light is used... makes the condition horrifyingly obvious.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

No man can come to Jesus without being drawn by the Father. This man won't have nothing but evil deeds. He will not be the man whose only claim to the righteousness according to Moses has him spending his entire flock in an attempt to cover his sins. Only the rich could afford to be righteous under the law... which must have made only the poor people very careful of their walk. Precept upon precept isn't hard for the poor man to do.

 

[Sidon]

Anyway, I know you’re sincere but for my part I sincerely consider Heb 13:9 as applying to your teachings, as being foreign

I teach Pauline Theology.
I add nothing to it, and i subtract nothing from it.
So, if Pauline Theology is odd to you, then that's something you need to consider and make new arrangements.

 

[Sidon]

Unless your erroneous theology .

Saying that someone's teaching is "erroneous" is what you do when you have no way to disagree with it, that is honest or factual.

 

[Sidon]

You know what I notice? People who quote Paul quote Luke..

I'm not them.

Here is what i would teach you in my class, first day, regarding how to begin to understand why Paul is your teacher.

1. We are in the time of the Gentiles.
2. Paul , not luke, jude, peter, or any of them....but just Paul : is the "apostle TO the Gentiles"".
So, our common sense, immediately, shows us that if we are in the "time fo the Gentiles", then the Apostle to the Gentiles, is the GO TO Teacher.
He is the person, the only, that Jesus called after the original 12, and took this one Apostle into a season of separation, and in that time, Jesus Himself instructed Paul. regarding all the Church Doctrine.
It is ONLY PAUL who taught the body of Christ.."the Gospel of the Grace of God. It is ONLY PAUL who taught the body of Christ, (and the other apostles), "Justification by Faith">

Paul is the only apostle who told you..."be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
So, if you are in my class, and we are talking about why one Apostle, said..>"i did more the all the other apostles COMBINED, through God's Grace", and we are talking also about how this one Apostle wrote most of the New Testament...
So, all that and more, is what i am doing here with you.
See, what i do, is use Threads as the same platform to teach Paul.

There are always people who are stuck in a slow rut of Christianity for way too long, and have no access to deeper spirituality, which comes from a teacher who has it, and imparts it to the ears that can hear.
Their pastor is a nice person but not a deeply spiritual person.
Their sunday school teacher is a nice person, probably picked for the job by the Pastor's wife who can't do it, and this person is just using sunday school teaching material that is dated to be given on that Sunday.
They just kinda read it, and that is what you get.
So, see that?
That does not bring the believer the "School of the Spirit" that they need to feed on, so that they become perfected and achieve the fullness of the stature of Christ.

 

[fhansen]

I teach Pauline Theology.
I add nothing to it, and i subtract nothing from it.
So, if Pauline Theology is odd to you, then that's something you need to consider and make new arrangements.

I tend towards the Jesus theology. And i's consistent with Paul's as well, fully considered and understood.