How to walk in the Spirit.

[Sidon]

But as far as I can see it's not saying if we fail to do so we lose our salvation.

It seems the message is summed up in: "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption".

Salvation is not ours to earn, so, its not ours to Lose.
Jesus earned it, because He Himself IS Salvation.
When we have Jesus in us, we are proven to be born again.
We dont cause that, we only HAVE THAT, as God's "gift of Salvation".

So, when you find a legalist who is trying to prove that THEY can lose their salvation, then this person does not understand that JESUS is Salvation, and not them.
See, they have this theology, this false faith, that says...>"as long as I DO", then God keeps."""" And that is SELF Righteousness.... Its trying to make SELF > Right with God and that can't be done.
See, God does not have that Theology.
God's Theology is....i have RECREATED YOU, by NEW BIRTH< and you can't stop being BORN again.
The legalist can't understand that BIRTH isn't something you can stop, or give away, or change.

Can you stop being born of your mother?
And neither can you END or STOP being born by Father God.
Once you are BORN, you are born...... "born again".

"but what if i ".....

What if you do?
Can your behavior stop you from being Born of your mother?
And neither can it stop you from being born again.
BAD Christians, are just as BORN AGAIN, as GOOD Christians.
Our Salvation is not based on our behavior, its only based on CHRIST's BLOOD.

 

[Sidon]

I don’t disagree with what you’ve said here but my point was to show that I’m not the only one who sees these chapters as Paul explaining how to walk in the Spirit. I know there were no chapters or titles in the gospel accounts nor the epistles.

Do you sin and confess?
If you are doing this, then your faith isn't right.
See, the proof is the proof, and so the. """" "well, i want to believe THIS instead", is your right.
But if you are sinning and confessing, then your faith is proving that you are not walking in the spirit.
And that is not an insult.
Im not calling you out, ok? Im only providing the spiritual insight into why a born again Christian, if that is you.......... and im assuming you are not just water baptized..
So, if you are actually born again, and you are for YEARS caught in the law's dominion revolving door of....>im good for a while then i mess up again, then i confess, and feel better, till i do it again".
If that is YOU Reader, then your faith is wrong, and you have to get it corrected, or you will remain in that situation that is not where you are supposed to exist as a Child of God.

 

[ozso]

Salvation is not ours to earn, so, its not ours to Lose.
Jesus earned it, because He Himself IS Salvation.
When we have Jesus in us, we are proven to be born again.
We dont cause that, we only HAVE THAT, as God's "gift of Salvation".

So, when you find a legalist who is trying to prove that THEY can lose their salvation, then this person does not understand that JESUS is Salvation, and not them.
See, they have this theology, this false faith, that says...>"as long as I DO", then God keeps."""" And that is SELF Righteousness.... Its trying to make SELF > Right with God and that can't be done.
See, God does not have that Theology.
God's Theology is....i have RECREATED YOU, by NEW BIRTH< and you can't stop being BORN again.
The legalist can't understand that BIRTH isn't something you can stop, or give away, or change.

Can you stop being born of your mother?
And neither can you END or STOP being born by Father God.
Once you are BORN, you are born...... "born again".

"but what if i ".....

What if you do?
Can your behavior stop you from being Born of your mother?
And neither can it stop you from being born again.
BAD Christians, are just as BORN AGAIN, as GOOD Christians.
Our Salvation is not based on our behavior, its only based on CHRIST's BLOOD.

Something that seems to get ignored are the passages that talk about punishment both here and in heaven regarding bad Christians. So it's like if only good Christians are really Christians, then why is there mention of both the Church and God disciplining Christians?

 

[Sidon]

The doctrine of eternal security was not formulated until the 16th century.

I dont really pay any attention to the OSAS, license to sin, cheap grace, nonsense debate.
Life is too short to chase legalist down their self righteous rabbit hole.

Here is the reality.
Eternal Life, is Jesus.
He is Eternal Life.
Eternal life is not temporary.....notice that the word says, ETERNAL.
So, if you have JESUS, then you are "in Christ", and Jesus is IN YOU.
If that is the case, then you have everlasting LIFE, that means you are born again.
The SPIRIT has been made alive, in every person who is Born again, and this Spiritual NEW BIRTH< does not end, as it has been born again INTO God's Spirit, by God's Holy Spirit.
So, THAT is the eternal life that all the born again have , forever.

 

[Sidon]

Something that seems to get ignored are the passages that talk about punishment both here and in heaven regarding bad Christians. So it's like if only good Christians are really Christians, then why is there mention of both the Church and God disciplining Christians?

Hell is for the Devil, his Angels, and all the Christ Rejectors.

God is the Father of all the Born again.
Satan is the father of all the Christ Rejectors.
Believers go to their Father after we die.
Unbelievers go to Their father, after they die.

The Lake of Fire, which is where all those who are in Hell today, finally end up, is coming to them not because they were bad or good people, but only because they died rejecting Christ.
So, that, is the only punishment that is ETERNAL.

Down here, all the unbelievers are DAMNED, currently.
Every unbeliever is already DAMNED, and heading to hell. John 3:36.
How do you get this damnation off of you?
"you must be born again".
You trust Christ and are born again and that forever removes the damnation that was ON YOU, when you were an unbeliever.

So, there is is no punishment waiting for a born again person, after they die.
See, Christ has already been punished on the Cross, in their place.
This means that God can't put Christ on the Cross, and Him die for you sin, and then later judge you for your sin after you die.
See it?
God does not "double judge".
Read Romans 4:8 and believe it, Reader.
God only judges once in eternity., and if you are born again, then Christ has born your judgment on earth, and that is why the born again meet God as our Eternal FATHER.

The unbelievers, who are damned for Christ rejection, meet God as their ETERNAL JUDGE.

 

[ozso]

Do you sin and confess?
If you are doing this, then your faith isn't right.
See, the proof is the proof, and so the. """" "well, i want to believe THIS instead", is your right.
But if you are sinning and confessing, then your faith is proving that you are not walking in the spirit.
And that is not an insult.
Im not calling you out, ok? Im only providing the spiritual insight into why a born again Christian, if that is you.......... and im assuming you are not just water baptized..
So, if you are actually born again, and you are for YEARS caught in the law's dominion revolving door of....>im good for a while then i mess up again, then i confess, and feel better, till i do it again".
If that is YOU Reader, then your faith is wrong, and you have to get it corrected, or you will remain in that situation that is not where you are supposed to exist as a Child of God.

For me personally I confess sin in asking God to help me overcome it. It's not like I'm confessing in a way that comes out as "please don't take away my salvation" or "please restore my salvation", but rather it's "please help me overcome this problem". "This is what I'm doing wrong or this is where I'm falling short, help me Lord to overcome it". And I have faith that He will.

 

[Sidon]

John 3:36 specifically states “the one who does not obey the Son will not see life but the wrath of God remains on him”.

How do you "obey" the Son?

You are not understanding that this word is not to be read as...>"im to try to be like Christ".
A "Jesus imitation".

Listen.... trying to behave like a "christian" as you think you should, isn't "obeying", according to your verse.
Your verse is a Spiritual demand, not just a literal point of view.

You "OBEY" =to be born again, is what your verse is talking about.
So, how to you "obey" to be born again?
Do you join a Church?
Do you tithe?
Do you pray to Mary?
Do you iive in India helping orphans?
Do you let me, a minister, hold your head underwater and then bring you up again?
Can any of this take care of your Lifetime of SIN, and give you the NEW BIRTH?

NO !

So, the 'OBEY"< in your verse it talking about this verse, brn32fan.

= Jesus said, "you must be born again".

Have you OBEYED that requirement YET?
Do you have a day in your past when God gave you His Blood and His Eternal life?
Do you have that DAY in your past, that you can name?
Not the day you joined some Church, but the day that GOD and YOU met at THE CROSS.
Do you have that date on your past Calendar?
Do you?


Listen, Jesus said.>"if you do not BELIEVE that i am the MESSIAH, you will die in your SINS".

So, have you obeyed that verse, ? Did you ever BELIEVE, and can remember that DAY you did?

There is your "OBEY".
Do that and go to heaven, guaranteed BY the BLOOD OF JESUS, that can NEVER FAIL.
Don't "obey" what Christ told you to do, and meet God as your Judge.

ITs really that simple, reader.

 

[Sidon]

“To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.” Rom 2:7

If you teach that verse, out of Context, as you are trying to do, vs, using it in context to all the Pauline revelation, the you end up as this. Galatians 1:8.
And that includes any "saint" who does it, as well.

Perhaps one day, you will come to understand that all the born again are "Saints".
=All.

Listen, you have to understand the center context regardig Why God came here to die on THE Cross., and you do not understand this yet, fhansen.
God came here as Jesus THE Christ, because you can't become righteous, and you can't go to heaven unless you are, so God came here to GIVE YOU His Righteousness so that by this GIFT, He can accept you and you can go to heaven.
John 14:6

So, look at your verse that is all by itself, no context, being used define support legalism and self righteousness.
Notice you are using the verse like this...
"i dont need Jesus, all i have to do is persist in trying to be like Jesus".

So, do you see the fail ??????? , and how many levels of fail it is, to try to yank a verse out of context to prove self saving legalism?

Paul himself wrote that what you are trying to prove by misusing that verse, ....that being good, and keeping law, and persisting to try to be accepted by God is "DUNG".

So, never take a single verse and try to prove the entire bible with it, as all you end up with is theological heresy.
Don't do that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't understand why that passage is used by those who say doing works is a part of salvation, because it's not about a lack of works. Rather it's about the opposite of that.

"Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?"

"And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"

That seems to speak against trying to make works a part of salvation. And therefore seems to support Sidon's argument rather than yours.

(Personally I don't think it applies to either his argument or yours, because I think it's about false teachers who put on a big show for personal gain like some millionaire televangelist I know of).

What reason did Jesus give for condemning them?

“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; LEAVE ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:22-23‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Then He continues the discussion


““Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts on them, will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and its collapse was great.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:24-27‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Remember this message is about false prophets. So they were probably not actually performing miracles in His name. I think they were probably scam artists scamming people with fake miracles.

 

[BNR32FAN]

How do you "obey" the Son?

You are not understanding that this word is not to be read as...>"im to try to be like Christ".
A "Jesus imitation".

Listen.... trying to behave like a "christian" as you think you should, isn't "obeying", according to your verse.
Your verse is a Spiritual demand, not just a literal point of view.

You "OBEY" =to be born again, is what your verse is talking about.
So, how to you "obey" to be born again?
Do you join a Church?
Do you tithe?
Do you pray to Mary?
Do you iive in India helping orphans?
Do you let me, a minister, hold your head underwater and then bring you up again?
Can any of this take care of your Lifetime of SIN, and give you the NEW BIRTH?

NO !

So, the 'OBEY"< in your verse it talking about this verse, brn32fan.

= Jesus said, "you must be born again".

Have you OBEYED that requirement YET?
Do you have a day in your past when God gave you His Blood and His Eternal life?
Do you have that DAY in your past, that you can name?
Not the day you joined some Church, but the day that GOD and YOU met at THE CROSS.
Do you have that date on your past Calendar?
Do you?


Listen, Jesus said.>"if you do not BELIEVE that i am the MESSIAH, you will die in your SINS".

So, have you obeyed that verse, ? Did you ever BELIEVE, and can remember that DAY you did?

There is your "OBEY".
Do that and go to heaven, guaranteed BY the BLOOD OF JESUS, that can NEVER FAIL.
Don't "obey" what Christ told you to do, and meet God as your Judge.

ITs really that simple, reader.

You completely do not understand the definition of the Greek word pisteuo and I just provided you with the definition. Did you even read it? That is why you don’t understand Christ.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you sin and confess?
If you are doing this, then your faith isn't right.
See, the proof is the proof, and so the. """" "well, i want to believe THIS instead", is your right.
But if you are sinning and confessing, then your faith is proving that you are not walking in the spirit.
And that is not an insult.
Im not calling you out, ok? Im only providing the spiritual insight into why a born again Christian, if that is you.......... and im assuming you are not just water baptized..
So, if you are actually born again, and you are for YEARS caught in the law's dominion revolving door of....>im good for a while then i mess up again, then i confess, and feel better, till i do it again".
If that is YOU Reader, then your faith is wrong, and you have to get it corrected, or you will remain in that situation that is not where you are supposed to exist as a Child of God.

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Confession of our sins is encouraged in the scriptures. I confess my sins to God not to man.

 

[ozso]

What reason did Jesus give for condemning them?

“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; LEAVE ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:22-23‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Then He continues the discussion


““Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts on them, will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and its collapse was great.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:24-27‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Remember this message is about false prophets. So they were probably not actually performing miracles in His name. I think they were probably scam artists scamming people with fake miracles.

I agree (as pointed out in my last post) that it's about false prophets. But it's often used as if it's in regard to a lack of works and obedience regarding all Christians. Like if you're not doing enough works and you're not obedient enough, not behaving well enough, Jesus is talking about you.

As to the continuation in 24-27‬, it seems obvious Jesus is the rock we are to build our foundation upon, and the sand is any foundation other than Jesus. I take note of the fact that what's built upon the foundation isn't what brings about destruction, but rather the initial starting point which is the foundation. I'd say building a foundation upon works would be a foundation of sand.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I dont really pay any attention to the OSAS, license to sin, cheap grace, nonsense debate.
Life is too short to chase legalist down their self righteous rabbit hole.

Here is the reality.
Eternal Life, is Jesus.
He is Eternal Life.
Eternal life is not temporary.....notice that the word says, ETERNAL.
So, if you have JESUS, then you are "in Christ", and Jesus is IN YOU.
If that is the case, then you have everlasting LIFE, that means you are born again.
The SPIRIT has been made alive, in every person who is Born again, and this Spiritual NEW BIRTH< does not end, as it has been born again INTO God's Spirit, by God's Holy Spirit.
So, THAT is the eternal life that all the born again have , forever.

You only come to this conclusion because you disregard what Jesus said in John 15:6.

 

[ozso]

You only come to this conclusion because you disregard what Jesus said in John 15:6.

I believe his version is once you are born again, you abide in Jesus permanently. And the ones who don't abide in Jesus by being born again, are the ones who are cast into the fire.

Your version I believe means continuing to abide through your own efforts, and if you fail, you're unborn, unsealed, disinherited etc and cast into Hell.

 

[ozso]

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Confession of our sins is encouraged in the scriptures. I confess my sins to God not to man.

But is that verse saying if we don't confess our sins as they occur, He will not forgive us? It seems that verse is used by some as a warning and an ultimatum, rather than as the reassurance I think it's meant to be. As one CF member insists, based on 1 John 1:9, if a born-again man sees a woman and has a lustful thought, and then gets hit by a bus before he has a chance to confess that sin, he's going straight to Hell. That's supposedly what the verse is about.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I agree (as pointed out in my last post) that it's about false prophets. But it's often used as if it's in regard to a lack of works and obedience regarding all Christians. Like if you're not doing enough works and you're not obedient enough, not behaving well enough, Jesus is talking about you.

As to the continuation in 24-27‬, it seems obvious Jesus is the rock we are to build our foundation upon, and the sand is any foundation other than Jesus. I take note of the fact that what's built upon the foundation isn't what brings about destruction, but rather the initial starting point which is the foundation. I'd say building a foundation upon works would be a foundation of sand.

Well I would go so far as to say that building upon His words is the concept here. He who hears my words and acts on them means not just hearing but following His guidance. Compare this to My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow Me. His sheep don’t just hear that also follow. But I completely agree that we cannot place our faith in our own efforts. Only by Christ can we be justified.

 

[ozso]

Well I would go so far as to say that building upon His words is the concept here. He who hears my words and acts on them means not just hearing but following His guidance. Compare this to My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow Me. His sheep don’t just hear that also follow. But I completely agree that we cannot place our faith in our own efforts. Only by Christ can we be justified.

Again it seems there's two ways John 10:27 can be interpreted.

1. Those who hear his voice follow him by becoming born-again.

2. Those who are born-again hear His voice and follow Him, and if they don't keep following or stray off the path or whatever, they get unborn, unsealed, disinherited etc and are thrown into Hell.

It seems like there's this string of verses that get used like 1 John 1:9 and John 10:27, as basically a threat like 'you better keep confessing and you better keep following or else your salvation will be revoked and you'll go to Hell'.

 

[fhansen]

One problem I have with Roman Catholicism is it seems to me that you have to believe in the Pope and agree to whatever he comes up with to be a RC. So personally if I was going to become a Catholic, I'd go with Eastern Orthodoxy. Which I've delved into some. But whatever the case, if you decide to become a Catholic, or a Lutheran, or a Calvinist or a Pentecostal etc you have to subscribe to that doctrine. So it seems to me anyone who's a member of a denomination, isn't sola scriptura.

Really I think what God is looking for is those who want to partake in His Kingdom. And He's not going to bring someone into it, who's going to hate being in a place that's nothing about the flesh and self, but rather is all about worshiping and serving God. As Mike Kestler says, Heaven wouldn't be Haven, it would be Hell for those who don't love the Lord. And love Christians for that matter, because they're going to be stuck with them for eternity too.

Yes, God’s interested in people who hear the word and turn to Him in sincere and humble faith. And having a unified body of beliefs which most accurately convey that message is also His will. A member of a denomination that adheres to the doctrine of sola scriptura should ideally agree with that denomination's particular beliefs/teachings because since both adhere to SS that person wouldn’t/shouldn’t be there to begin with if they’re not in agreement over what the bible says.

One reason I turned to the ancient churches-and I’ve always appreciated the EO as well since then- is because SS doesn’t work. While faith itself is a strictly personal thing, and we must all decide for ourselves what we actually believe in at the end of the day, the authority for deciding what constitutes the actual tenets of the faith is, in the case of Sola Scriptura, the individual himself (he becomes the pope for all practical purposes even though much of his theology will have come from other SS adherents from the past, truth be told). And this is why we have such a diversity of beliefs based on the bible alone, with more increasing daily it seems. In the past the Church was considered to simply hold and teach the truths of the faith, and to have been given that authority, and to possess a historic and valuable lineage traceable to the beginnings. The is true for such churches in both the east and the west. We can argue these points all day long but personally I’ll never be able to subscribe to sola scriptura again.

 

[fhansen]

If you teach that verse, out of Context, as you are trying to do, vs, using it in context to all the Pauline revelation, the you end up as this. Galatians 1:8.
And that includes any "saint" who does it, as well.

Please, say it ain't so for me...
I'll translate your point. Any verse that seems to contradict your particular modified understanding of the gospel-and there are many such verses-is necessarily being misused as per Gal 1:8.

Listen, you have to understand the center context regardig Why God came here to die on THE Cross., and you do not understand this yet, fhansen.
God came here as Jesus THE Christ, because you can't become righteous, and you can't go to heaven unless you are, so God came here to GIVE YOU His Righteousness so that by this GIFT, He can accept you and you can go to heaven.
John 14:6

No one argues that we come to the Father by any means other than Jesus, the way the truth, and the life.

So, look at your verse that is all by itself, no context, being used define support legalism and self righteousness.
Notice you are using the verse like this...
"i dont need Jesus, all i have to do is persist in trying to be like Jesus".

I should ask, 'Why do you persist in skewing my words?' My position from the beginning has been that we need Jesus in order to be like Jesus. Your position is that we need Jesus so we can become a pretend Jesus.

So, do you see the fail ??????? , and how many levels of fail it is, to try to yank a verse out of context to prove self saving legalism?

Paul himself wrote that what you are trying to prove by misusing that verse, ....that being good, and keeping law, and persisting to try to be accepted by God is "DUNG".

So, never take a single verse and try to prove the entire bible with it, as all you end up with is theological heresy.
Don't do that.

How many times will you take the holy high ground while ironically ignoring and denying inconvenient verses over and over again?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I believe his version is once you are born again, you abide in Jesus permanently. And the ones who don't abide in Jesus by being born again, are the ones who are cast into the fire.

First we should establish what Jesus means by “abide” here in this passage. The Greek word means to dwell, live, stay, remain, or continue. So there’s basically two different meanings. Either to dwell or live in Him or to stay, remain, or continue in Him. So which of these two is Jesus referring to? Is Jesus telling these men to dwell or live in Him or is He telling them to stay, remain, or continue in Him? There are key indicators as to which He is referring to. Notice in verse 4 and 5 Jesus makes it clear that they cannot bear fruit of themselves and only by abiding in Him are they capable of bearing fruit.

“Remain in Me, and I in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself but must remain in the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; the one who remains in Me, and I in him bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:4-5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Well in verse 2 and 3 He just said that they have been cleansed or pruned because they have already bore fruit.

“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean (pruned) because of the word which I have spoken to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:2-3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Furthermore Jesus also stated that they were not of this world. These men are already dwelling in Christ, they are already living in Him. The context that Jesus is using the word “abide” is to stay, remain, continue. So it becomes quite apparent that Jesus is telling His apostles to remain in Him. If a person who is in Christ is incapable of falling away then this entire message would be useless. This isn’t the first time Jesus said that some would fall away or that only those who remain in Him will be saved.


“And at that time many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will rise up and mislead many people. And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will become cold. But the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:10-13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

“Those on the rocky soil are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and yet these do not have a firm root; they believe for a while, and in a time of temptation they fall away.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


“And you will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:22‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


“The one who overcomes will be clothed the same way, in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


“The statement is trustworthy: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him; If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He will also deny us; If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Falling away and only those who endure to the end receiving salvation is mentioned in the scriptures several times.

Your version I believe means continuing to abide through your own efforts, and if you fail, you're unborn, unsealed, disinherited etc and cast into Hell.

No not exactly by my own efforts, by cooperating with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Every second each one of us has a choice to make. We can either choose to ignore the Holy Spirit or to cooperate with Him. Only when we are acting in cooperation with the Holy Spirit are we born again and a new creation. We are not a new creation when we revert back to our old sinful ways.

“but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Having fellowship with Christ and our very salvation is contingent on walking in the Light. Walking in the Spirit in cooperation with God. We don’t walk in the Spirit by being in opposition or defiant towards Him. Jesus gave clear examples of people who will be condemned for failing to adhere to the Holy Spirit. Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus specifically says why He condemned the goats.

““Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41-43‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

They were condemned for their lack of love for others which is a fruit of the Spirit. If these people weren’t believers then their lack of fruit would’ve been irrelevant. He wouldn’t be condemning them for not showing love for others, He would be condemning them for not believing in Him. Hence “These people honor Me with their lips but their heart is far from Me”.

And look at their reaction to His statement.

“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or as a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:44‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

To me they seem surprised by His decision. They seem to be expecting to be saved. They were fully trusting on Him to save them apart from doing any works. What Jesus was telling them is when you did not show love to others you did not show love to Me. They weren’t condemned for not trusting in Christ they were condemned for not adhering to the guidance of the Holy Spirit who ALWAYS urges us to love others. It was the sheep who heard His words AND FOLLOWED THEM. And as a result they were saved.