How to walk in the Spirit.

[ozso]

There are also many Protestant theologians who don't believe in it. I named a couple of these above.

I think it's a bit more unique coming from Catholic theologians. Many Protestants who don't believe in the doctrine, blame its existence on the RCC and believe it should have been eliminated by Luther and other reformers. So in my opinion Catholic theologians denouncing it is more significant. So that's why I pointed it out, in a passing comment that was meant to express a bit of irony.

 

[Sidon]

It’s a warning to believers so that they will know not to turn back to a sinful way of life.

The unsaved Jews in Hebrews and Acts 28, were not turning from their salvation, they were rejecting their messiah.

 

[Sidon]

That's disturbing detailed...

eemembert Nietzsche said about the abyss.

Put Nietzsche, the Christ Rejector, in the trash bin.
Get your Theology from the BIBLE, not from the greek......get it from PAUL, and from a teacher who teaches Pauline Theology.

wake up.

 

[Hmm]

I think it's a bit more unique coming from Catholic theologians. Many Protestants who don't believe in the doctrine, blame its existence on the RCC and believe it should have been eliminated by Luther and other reformers. So in my opinion Catholic theologians denouncing it is more significant.

Ah okay, I understand your question now

 

[Sidon]

So your saying that you refuse to look for evidence to support your false accusations

Let me explain something to you..

When you use false innuendo, proven so, by not using a quote, to try to associate your accusation against me..... as Truth.
Then you are being deceptive, knowingly, and that is defined as " willful sin."
Dont do that, bnr32fan.

Let me give you some sound advice.
Post your argument using a quote, and never just accuse falsely, on a public forum, only because doing this feels good to your flesh.

 

[Sidon]

There’s not a single gospel account or epistle that doesn’t talk about apostasy.

Paul witnessing to Christ rejecting Hebrews, in Heb 10 and Act 28, has nothing to do with apostasy.

 

[ozso]

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Listen.

Hell and the Lake of fire, were not created for man.
They were created for the devil and his angels, who chose to go with Him when God cast him out of Heaven, and Jesus said "I beheld the devil as lightning fall from heaven"

So, you have the wrong understanding of why people go to hell.

Its like this fhansen...

God allows you to end up in eternity, where you chose to Go, by becoming born again, or not on EARTH.

Heaven and Hell, are just destinations, that you choose, by receiving Christ or by rejection of Christ.
God does not send you to heaven, nor does God send you to Hell.

What God does, is RESPECT YOUR CHOICE, to go, after you die, ... based on what you did with Christ while you were BREATHING.

The unbelievers are children of the devil., and they go where their FATHER is destined to Go.

The born again, are children of God, and they end up, where their Father exits.

I have to disagree with you a bit. The Bible says people are picked up by angels and literally thrown into hell.

 

[Sidon]

And this coming from a person who has already admitted several times that he HASN’T STUDIED IT. All the sudden your an expert now?

Is it possible to go to seminary and not study manuscript evidence?
Thats a no.

What i said is not to try to correct the word of God, with the greek that you can't read.

Is this difficult for you to understand?
Seems so.

 

[Hmm]

Put Nietzsche, the Christ Rejector, in the trash bin.
Get your Theology from the BIBLE, not from the greek......get it from PAUL, and from a teacher who teaches Pauline Theology.

wake up.

What attracts you to Paul especially? What do you think of the gospels?

 

[Sidon]

I have to disagree with you a bit. The Bible says people are picked up by angels and literally thrown into hell.

Lets look at "send" "sent".

Look at this verse...'""""For if God spared not the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment;""""


Now, think of it like this..

Lets say that a person murders their neighbor, in cold blood.
They are arrested, tried, and sent to the electric chair, and they are fried to death.

So, the judge did not send them to their death.
They sent themselves by their choice to do what caused them in the end to be burned in the electric chair.

So, the process, is....the judge, the sentence, the Chair.

But what sent them there was the MURDER.
No Murder, no Judge, no electric Chair.

And so it is with those who rejected Christ.
They are already damned, while they are breathing.
Their damnation is not after they die, its already on them, they are already DAMNED on earth. John 3:36.


So, that is what SENT them to hell after they died.

 

[fhansen]

I always "resort" to giving the blood of Jesus all credit for salvation.

Its like this..

The blood of Jesus that saves, always keeps you saved, no matter what.

Once you are born again, you are always born again.

right, despite what scripture says to the contrary

 

[Sidon]

Where exactly does the author of Hebrews say that these Hebrews have rejected Paul’s gospel?

Paul said it.

"sinning willfully". "crucifying Christ Afresh". "as did your Father's". "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus".

See all that?

Its like this..
What sent Christ to the Cross, through Pilate, was Christ rejecting Hebrews who were shouting "crucify him, crucify him".

See that?
That is Hebrews 10:26 and Acts 28

 

[Sidon]

Being sent to hell is not a choice it’s a punishment.

Is Christ rejection a choice?

Of course, and when you do that, you are this....... John 3:36

You are DAMNED while you are breathing, and all you are doing is waiting to go to Hell.

 

[Sidon]

right, despite what scripture says to the contrary

There is no scripture that says....>"Christ will leave you if you dont live right".
There is. no scripture that says "the born again can go to hell".

There is this....> "no man can take you out of my Hand".......and there is this...."and you shall never perish".


So, see that verse that says that no man can take you away from Christ once you are born again "in Christ".

That verse is also talking about the PERSON themselves.

 

[ozso]

ITs not a minority view, it is in fact total nonsense.

To think that the thousands who went to hell today, who are now wide eyed and mind blown, ...that they would not want to have a 2nd chance to BELIEVE....and get out of there !!!!!!!!

Get REAL.

That reminds me of the adage I heard as a child; that if a bus bound for heaven drove down to hell, no one would get on it.

 

[ozso]

I agree with that except I think the process continues after death - God eternally knocking and us potentially eternally refusing to open the door. I can't think of any scripture that supports this but this is the view of Rowan Williams - ex-Archbishop of Canterbury - and Desmond Tutu so I assume you can make a biblical case for it, although I imagine it is a minority view.

I didn't see this post earlier. There's scripture that supports it that's been posted to threads about hell on CF. I wasn't aware of those two you mentioned being among those who taught it. It's becoming less and less of a minority view and has gathered some pretty substantial proponents, like the three I mentioned.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Let me explain something to you..

When you use false innuendo, proven so, by not using a quote, to try to associate your accusation against me..... as Truth.
Then you are being deceptive, knowingly, and that is defined as " willful sin."
Dont do that, bnr32fan.

Let me give you some sound advice.
Post your argument using a quote, and never just accuse falsely, on a public forum, only because doing this feels good to your flesh.

Im asking you to show me where in Wikipedia that it says that that 60% of the KJV Bible was derived from the Geneva Bible. Your accusation is that I got this information from Wikipedia but Wikipedia doesn’t say that 60% of the KJV derived from the Geneva Bible. So it’s IMPOSSIBLE for either me or you to quote something that doesn’t exist. How can I quote something from Wikipedia that isn’t there? My point is this, your making false accusations and assumptions about my level of study implying that I’m googling everything I post as I go along as if I didn’t already know what I’m talking about when I’ve been having these conversations for years here on CF. I’ve done a lot of study over the years and my posts are available for anyone to see to prove it. You’ve accused me of going to commentaries when I don’t do commentaries. I openly admitted that yes I have read the early church writings and yes they are in a way commentaries but Ignatius and Polycarp are first century disciples. They were taught by the apostles themselves. Their interpretation gives us a glimpse of how the apostles intended the scriptures to be interpreted. So commentaries from these men hold a lot more weight than commentaries from people who never heard the apostles preach first hand and who didn’t follow the apostles for years.

 

[Hmm]

I didn't see this post earlier. There's scripture that supports it that's been posted to threads about hell on CF. I wasn't aware of those two you mentioned being among those who taught it. It's becoming less and less of a minority view and has gathered some pretty substantial proponents, like the three I mentioned.

That's encouraging. I used to ’lead’ an Alpha course group. It's probably not known in the US but it's a course popular in the UK that is designed to introduce people to Christianity. The group leaders are not supposed to answer any questions (which was good for me because otherwise I couldn't have done it!) but to throw them back to the group for discussion which is why I put the word in quotes above. The reason I mention it is that it was interesting to hear the reservations people had about Christianity. The main one I heard was Why is there suffering? but the second one was What sort of God would send people to hell just because they're not Christians? So I'd welcome a more enlightened broad agreement on the subject because I think many more people would at least be prepared to explore Christianity.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Paul said it.

"sinning willfully". "crucifying Christ Afresh". "as did your Father's". "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus".

If who goes on sinning willfully? Who did the author say? Didn’t want to include that very important piece of information, did you?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is Christ rejection a choice?

Of course, and when you do that, you are this....... John 3:36

You are DAMNED while you are breathing, and all you are doing is waiting to go to Hell.

The people in Matthew 25:31-46 were not rejecting Christ. They didn’t choose to go to hell, they were punished by being sent to hell.