How to walk in the Spirit.

[BNR32FAN]

I dont use commentaries, or "greek", or any of this..
So, you'll have to check out wiki for yourself.

So your saying that you refuse to look for evidence to support your false accusations because obviously I wouldn’t have asked for it if it were available. Basically you just don’t want to admit that Wikipedia doesn’t say that 60% of the KJV translation came from the Geneva Bible. So your accusation is false.

 

[Servus]

Why is that particularly Catholic? If you don't want to answer then don't of course. I've asked you three times now.

There are three Catholic theologians I know of who are well known for not believing in the doctrine of eternal torment. I pointed that out because the subject of Catholicism was recently discussed in this thread.

 

[Sidon]

What I picked up on is this seems to foster doubt. So the question is, does God want us to be in doubt?

Do you believe in a literal Devil?
Do you understand that Satan is real?
I promise you that God sent Him out of Heaven, and He misquoted God to deceive Eve.

So, this is how you discern Satan's "ministers of righteousness".
They will twist verses to try to make you get up on that Cross and try to save yourself.

Notice carefully, that the devil's ministers, who Paul defines as "ministers of righteousness", will speak "christianese", fluently. They will have their verses, and their greek, and their theology that never gives God full credit for Salvaiton.
They NEVER WANT to discuss the Cross or the Blood of Jesus.
They only want to talk about how you can lose your salvation, or why you need to WORK to try to keep it.
You'll see them talk endlessly about the OLD TESTAMENT< the LAW, the commandments, as that is their Cross Rejecting GOSPEL of "works'.
Learn to hear them, and you can protect yourself from these somewhat clever devils.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This word 'we" is the stumbling stone that causes all Legalists to use Hebrews as their way to deny the Grace of God.

I think ive spent more time on Forums, talking about this one verse, and this one Epistle, trying to lead self savers away from how this Epistle and also Matthew....as these 2 are used by the devil to ruin faith.
He also uses James.

All legalist's live in Hebrews, James, and Matthew, because these Epistles talk about Christ rejection, and the unskilled in the word, apply it to themselves, and often once this stronghold of "how i can lose my salvation" is imbedded in them, ...regarding these 3 Epistles, this stronghold is nearly impossible to break.
Satan uses these 3 epistle to empower the self righteousness in a believer, like a CHAIN of Deception.

There’s not a single gospel account or epistle that doesn’t talk about apostasy. So no I don’t only use the ones you’ve listed. I very often use John 15, Galatians 5, Ephesians 4 & 5, all four of the gospel accounts, and Romans 6 as well.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Koine Greek.

The KJV is written on about a 5th Grade level.
The issue isn't that its hard to read, its that it has to be spiritually discerned.
When its not, you become lost in reasoning, which is the enemy of Faith.

And this coming from a person who has already admitted several times that he HASN’T STUDIED IT. All the sudden your an expert now?

 

[fhansen]

Some believe even if you remain in Christ, there's still room for doubt.

Remaining in Christ is born out by the way we live our lives, by the fruit that results in other words. Not by just talk or personal opinion or the way we might prefer to see ourselves.

 

[Servus]

The truth is that all should fear eternal separation from God, the source of all goodness, light, love, and sheer unbridled happiness. But the more we know and love Him, the more we embrace Him-and that love ultimately expels any fear. And love expels sin, by its nature, in the process. That's where He seeks to draws us all to.

You yourself should fear but by the same token that fear should be expelled. Sounds a bit contradictory.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Paul's gospel of the Cross, was rejected by those Hebrews, in Chapter 10 and in Chapter 28 of Acts
Paul even tells them in Acts 28, that He is taking the Gospel of the Cross to the Gentiles, because they will believe it.

Where exactly does the author of Hebrews say that these Hebrews have rejected Paul’s gospel?

 

[Servus]

Remaining in Christ is born out by the way we live our lives, by the fruit that results in other words. Not by just talk

I'm talking about those who understand what remaining in Christ really means, from the perspective you give.

In situations like these, I'm always going to be talking about the kind of Christian you believe a Christian should be.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Remaining in Christ is born out by the way we live our lives, by the fruit that results in other words. Not by just talk or personal opinion or the way we might prefer to see ourselves.

I kindly disagree, our remaining in Christ comes from within and the outward effect is the fruit of that which is love.

 

[Sidon]

And how about eternal torment just because you didn’t believe? '

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Listen.

Hell and the Lake of fire, were not created for man.
They were created for the devil and his angels, who chose to go with Him when God cast him out of Heaven, and Jesus said "I beheld the devil as lightning fall from heaven"

So, you have the wrong understanding of why people go to hell.

Its like this fhansen...

God allows you to end up in eternity, where you chose to Go, by becoming born again, or not on EARTH.

Heaven and Hell, are just destinations, that you choose, by receiving Christ or by rejection of Christ.
God does not send you to heaven, nor does God send you to Hell.

What God does, is RESPECT YOUR CHOICE, to go, after you die, ... based on what you did with Christ while you were BREATHING.

The unbelievers are children of the devil., and they go where their FATHER is destined to Go.

The born again, are children of God, and they end up, where their Father exits.

 

[Sidon]

I agree with that except I think the process continues after death - God eternally knocking and us potentially eternally .

ITs not a minority view, it is in fact total nonsense.

To think that the thousands who went to hell today, who are now wide eyed and mind blown, ...that they would not want to have a 2nd chance to BELIEVE....and get out of there !!!!!!!!

Get REAL.

 

[Sidon]

You haven't given a single reason for why you think I might be doing that.

Its because you believe that Christ's Blood does not have the power to keep you saved.

You believe that this power is you, trying to keep yourself saved.

Did you read my 2 recent Thread's "Broken Faith" and "Salvation : vs service"

You should., as its legalists who teach what you believe that inspired them both.

 

[Sidon]

The BLOOD is His LOVE. The whole motivation for Him shedding His blood is love

We can agree on that.

But once you deny this Holy Blood is eternal security as eternal LIFE, and return again to trying to keep yourself saved by law, self effort, and commandments, then, i'll remind you again, that the Love of God, is the Cross and without the shedding of blood being applied to you through your FAITH, so that you can become born again, there is no hope of Salvation for you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Listen.

Hell and the Lake of fire, were not created for man.
They were created for the devil and his angels, who chose to go with Him when God cast him out of Heaven, and Jesus said "I beheld the devil as lightning fall from heaven"

So, you have the wrong understanding of why people go to hell.

Its like this fhansen...

God allows you to end up in eternity, where you chose to Go, by becoming born again, or not on EARTH.

Heaven and Hell, are just destinations, that you choose, by receiving Christ or by rejection of Christ.
God does not send you to heaven, nor does God send you to Hell.

What God does, is RESPECT YOUR CHOICE, to go, after you die, ... based on what you did with Christ while you were BREATHING.

The unbelievers are children of the devil., and they go where their FATHER is destined to Go.

The born again, are children of God, and they end up, where their Father exits.

Being sent to hell is not a choice it’s a punishment.

 

[Hmm]

There are three Catholic theologians I know of who are well known for not believing in the doctrine of eternal torment. I pointed that out because the subject of Catholicism was recently discussed in this thread.

There are also many Protestant theologians who don't believe in it. I named a couple of these above.

 

[Sidon]

You never sin?

Let me ask you some questions

Is Christ a sinner?
Is there sin in Christ?
Is there sin in GOD?
Are the born again "in Christ"?
Are the born again "One with God"?

Does God live in the Born again, as "Temple of the Holy Spirit"?
Could God live in the born again if they had sin or were sinners?

Better think about that before you run to post ........

Now, if you can come to the revelation of what i just showed you, then you are becoming renewed in your mind, but not until.

 

[Sidon]

I figured you'd resort to that-and then offer no reason for your objection. But address that same post #1355 without that verse-it stands true either way.

I always "resort" to giving the blood of Jesus all credit for salvation.

Its like this..

The blood of Jesus that saves, always keeps you saved, no matter what.

Once you are born again, you are always born again.

 

[Sidon]

Why do you feel you are called to teach and was this calling confirmed by a church?

Are you really authorised to judgeth all things?

God calls, not the "church".

Do you see the "church" choosing the 12 Apostles?
How about this one.....Did the church choose Paul?

So, you are stuck in denominational propaganda.

Listen carefully.
Denominations are man made.

Believers are God made

There are NO denominations in heaven, only down here.
So, its fine if you are a part of a local assembly, but never let the theology of any church become your failed attempt at Salvation.

 

[Sidon]

Yes, but one can choose to accept that and be born again, or they can choose to reject it and not be born again.

Absolutely.

John 3:36

 

[Hmm]

ITs not a minority view, it is in fact total nonsense.

To think that the thousands who went to hell today, who are now wide eyed and mind blown, ...that they would not want to have a 2nd chance to BELIEVE....and get out of there !!!!!!!!

Get REAL.

That's disturbing detailed...