How to understand the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12

[Douggg]

During the 45 days (on the chart below highlighted in blue) between the 1290 days and 1335 days, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon with the (in vain) intent of stopping Jesus from executing judgment on them. Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

First, determine on what day the AoD will be set up to be worshiped. day 2520 - 1335 = day 1185.

Then, count forward from the AoD day - 1290 days.... to get to day 2475. The sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven (the third heaven), i.e. Jesus with sickle in hand, ready to execute judgment on the evil men of the world on day 2475.

In complete terror of Jesus appearing, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days, in the vain hope of avoiding their demise.

 

[DavidPT]

During the 45 days (on the chart below highlighted in blue) between the 1290 days and 1335 days, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon with the (in vain) intent of stopping Jesus from executing judgment on them. Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

First, determine on what day the AoD will be set up to be worshiped. day 2520 - 1335 = day 1185.

Then, count forward from the AoD day - 1290 days.... to get to day 2475. The sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven (the third heaven), i.e. Jesus with sickle in hand, ready to execute judgment on the evil men of the world on day 2475.

In complete terror of Jesus appearing, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days, in the vain hope of avoiding their demise.



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One problem with this chart, because the 1260 days equal great tribulation, and that when this extra 45 days begin, it would no longer be great tribulation. Yet your chart has this 45 days paralleling great tribulation. For the sake of argument let's assume your chart is correct, regardless, but if we compare to Matthew 24 though, the 1260 days would be paralleling great tribulation, these 45 days would be involving the 6th seal, thus no longer great tribulation once the 6th seal events begin. Yet you have this 45 days paralleling the end of this 1260 days.


Since I'm not into making charts, what I'm basically saying is, it is not at the end of this 1260 days that Christ returns. The end of the 1260 days are the end of great tribulation, thus the beginning of the 6th seal, not Christ's return instead.

What might make better sense, this 1290 days begins 30 days before this 1260 days, and that this 45 days are after this 1260 days and 1290 days both end at the same time.

On this 2520 day timeline, the 1290 days begin on day 1230. Then on day 1260 the 1260 days begin. Thus the 2500 days are finished at the end of this 2nd 1260 days. Except there are still 45 more days to factor in, in order to get to 1335 days from that of 1290 days. This would be the beginning of the 6th seal, thus no longer the 70th week. You somehow think this 45 days where the 6th seal begins, that this is still part of the 70th week. Why would it be? This 45 days is not still involving great tribulation, keeping in mind that great tribulation is only involving these 1260 days and not the 6th seal as well, where that is involving this 45 days.

IOW, Christ does not return at the end of the 70th week. He returns at the end of this 45 days that follow the end of the 70th week. Except you are conflating the 6th seal with great tribulation since you have great tribulation still in progress during the 45 days, the 6th seal.

Even if I'm wrong in regards to what I'm proposing, and maybe I am for all I know, this still doesn't make you correct. Because like I pointed out, when the 6th seal begins great tribulation is then in the past. Which means the 70th week has ended since this 1260 days are involving the 2nd half of the 70th week, and that this other 45 days, it is involving the 6th seal followed by the 2nd coming at the end of this 45 days.

 

[Douggg]

One problem with this chart, because the 1260 days equal great tribulation,

David, the great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place, based on Matthew 24:15-21.

The Daniel passages on the abomination of desolation are in Daniel 12:11-12. The great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Of that 1335 days, the 1290 days are "the tribulation of those days" in Matthew 24:29 to the sixth seal event, the powers of heaven shaken.

Then, in Matthew 24:30a, the world will see the sign of the Son of man in heaven. 45 days later, at the end of the great tribulation, Jesus descends to earth, coming in the clouds of heaven, Matthew 24:30b

 

[Douggg]

What might make better sense, this 1290 days begins 30 days before this 1260 days, and that this 45 days are after this 1260 days and 1290 days both end at the same time.

On this 2520 day timeline, the 1290 days begin on day 1230.

David, what begins the 1290 days ?

On one hand, you say the great tribulation will be 1260 days long. Then, on the other hand, you seem to be saying the great tribulation is 1290 days long.

Plus, your timeline runs past the end of the 7 years, by 45 days.

 

[DavidPT]

David, what begins the 1290 days ?

On one hand, you say the great tribulation will be 1260 days long. Then, on the other hand, you seem to be saying the great tribulation is 1290 days long.

Plus, your timeline runs past the end of the 7 years, by 45 days.

Maybe the following will make it somewhat clearer as to what I'm trying to say over all, regardless that you might still disagree.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.


Look what the text indicates. What we then should be asking ourselves, 1290 days until what? How about this as the what? 1290 days until the end of the 70th week. Which then means there are still 45 more days in order to reach day 1335. Day 1335 meaning the end of this age and the 2nd coming. These 45 days meaning the 6th events that precede the 2nd coming.

The 1290 days, that when it begins, it is meaning when the AOD is being setup. Then 30 days later meaning the beginning of great tribulation. Then 1260 days later both this 1290 days and this 1260 days conclude, thus ending the 1260 day great tribulation and the entire 70th week. Then at the beginning of the remaining 45 days the 6th seal events occur, which involve the vials of wrath. Then at the end of these 45 days the 2nd coming occurs, thus the 1335th day.

 

[Douggg]

The 1290 days, that when it begins, it is meaning when the AOD is being setup.

That would mean the great tribulation in your view is 1290 days long, not 1260 days long. btw, where are you getting the 1260 days you are referring to ?

Look what the text indicates. What we then should be asking ourselves, 1290 days until what? How about this as the what? 1290 days until the end of the 70th week.

David, the "until what" - is until the sixth seal, the sign of the son of Man in heaven.

You are saying until the end of the 70th week. But there is no reason to go beyond the end of the 70th week, because the 70 weeks complete that which is determined upon Jerusalem and Daniel's people.

 

[DavidPT]

That would mean the great tribulation in your view is 1290 days long, not 1260 days long. btw, where are you getting the 1260 days you are referring to ?


David, the "until what" - is until the sixth seal, the sign of the son of Man in heaven.

You are saying until the end of the 70th week. But there is no reason to go beyond the end of the 70th week, because the 70 weeks complete that which is determined upon Jerusalem and Daniel's people.

Douggg, using Matthew 24 as a timeline, it might look like such.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Once this has been fulfilled, the AOD is then setup, thus the beginning of the 1290 days.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Then 30 days later is the middle of the 70th week, thus the beginning of great tribulation, and that it is 1260 days in length, and that it is until the beginning of the 6th seal events, these remaining 45 days.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


This is at the end of great tribulation, thus the end of the 70th week. Which means we are now in the beginning of the final 45 days that lead to the return of Christ and the rapture of the church, the return recorded in verse 30, the rapture recorded in verse 31.

To conflate great tribulation with the 6th seal is not reasonable. The entire 1260 days are meaning great tribulation. The 6th seal is meaning after great tribulation, not while great tribulation is still in progress. Does not Matthew 24:29 clearly and plainly state, that when the 6th events begin, this is after great tribulation? How can great tribulation not be involving the entire 1260 days? And if it is, once this 1260 days end, great tribulation is in the past. Which means these remaining 45 days can't be part of the 70th week, because to make them part of the 70th week is to then contradict Matthew 24:29 by having the 6th seal involving great tribulation when great tribulation is in the past at this point.

 

[Zao is life]

Maybe the following will make it somewhat clearer as to what I'm trying to say over all, regardless that you might still disagree.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.


Look what the text indicates. What we then should be asking ourselves, 1290 days until what? How about this as the what? 1290 days until the end of the 70th week. Which then means there are still 45 more days in order to reach day 1335. Day 1335 meaning the end of this age and the 2nd coming. These 45 days meaning the 6th events that precede the 2nd coming.

The 1290 days, that when it begins, it is meaning when the AOD is being setup. Then 30 days later meaning the beginning of great tribulation. Then 1260 days later both this 1290 days and this 1260 days conclude, thus ending the 1260 day great tribulation and the entire 70th week. Then at the beginning of the remaining 45 days the 6th seal events occur, which involve the vials of wrath. Then at the end of these 45 days the 2nd coming occurs, thus the 1335th day.

It makes mathematical sense but none of us knows what it'ts referring to or what period of time. It could have been referring to the daily sacrifice being taken away in the 2nd century before Christ. The daily sacrifice requires a physical temple.

But none of us knows what exactly it's referring to. IMO solutions engraved in stone is all just guess-work.

 

[Douggg]

Then 30 days later is the middle of the 70th week, thus the beginning of great tribulation, and that it is 1260 days in length, and that it is until the beginning of the 6th seal events, these remaining 45 days.

David, the great tribulation begins when the AoD is setup - not 30 days later.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


This is at the end of great tribulation, thus the end of the 70th week. Which means we are now in the beginning of the final 45 days that lead to the return of Christ and the rapture of the church, the return recorded in verse 30, the rapture recorded in verse 31.

To conflate great tribulation with the 6th seal is not reasonable

David, where you are going wrong is mentally adding "great" in front of "tribulation of those days". The tribulation of those days is the 1290 days of the 1335 day long great tribulation.

What verse has "1260 days" in the text that you are locking everything into?

 

[DavidPT]

David, the great tribulation begins when the AoD is setup - not 30 days later.

David, where you are going wrong is mentally adding "great" in front of "tribulation of those days". The tribulation of those days is the 1290 days of the 1335 day long great tribulation.

What verse has "1260 days" in the text that you are locking everything into?

Why would that be wrong? What other tribulation is mentioned in Matthew 24 prior to that of verse 29 if not meaning great tribulation? I don't see a mention of great tribulation then being followed by a different tribulation prior to that of verse 29. I know some Amils see that being the case, except you are not an Amil. It is plainly obvious that the trib of those days have to be involving great tribulation.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Why would it be unreasonable to think that 'those days' pertaining to verse 29 are pertaining to 'those' days pertaining to verse 22? Are you going to argue that 'those days' pertaining to verse 22 are not involving tribulation? And does not the 'those days' recorded in verse 29 pertain to tribulation as well?


Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.


a time, times, and an half---this equals great tribulation, it equals 1260 days. If we compare to Revelation 10, this is what that ch records.

Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Notice that it says in the days rather than day, of the voice of the seventh angel. Which means at the beginning of the 7th trumpet we are no longer in this 1260 day period. We are now in the beginning of the 6th seal events, which then involve the final 7 vials of wrath, then at the end of that once the 7th trumpet is sounding for the last time, keeping in mind, that if it is involving days, the 7th trumpet can sound multiple times, both at the beginning of it and at the ending of the 7th trumpet events. And then when it sounds for the last time we are now in the time during/after the 7th vial, thus the 2nd coming of Christ and the rapture of the church. Thus the mystery of God is now finished.

These 45 days are then involving the days of the 7th trumpet leading up to the 2nd coming at the end of these 7th trumpet events. After all, since both the 6th seal and the 7th trumpet involve the wrath of God, it is then not unreasonable to place the 6th seal events during the time of the 7th trumpet, then at the end of these days involving the 7th trumpet, the 2nd coming and the rapture of the church occurs. Which then tends to make sense out of Revelation 16:15 and why that is in the text where it is, between the 6th and 7th vial. Because it is telling us, as of the 6th vial, Christ hasn't returned at this point.

Some interpreters tend to think, that at the beginning of the 7th trumpet is when the 2nd coming occurs. Except that is not the only option since it could be at the end of the 7th trumpet events that the 2nd coming occurs. It's still during the 7th trumpet no matter how you look at it. And if the 7th trumpet is involving the 7 vials of wrath, by making the 2nd coming at the end of the 7th trumpet rather than at the beginning of it at least doesn't have repenting still being an option after Christ has returned.

Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


Assuming this is during the 7th trumpet, which makes more sense in that case, this is meaning after Christ has already bodily returned? Or before Christ has bodily returned? OTOH, if this is not even involving the days of the 7th trumpet, in that case that makes my point moot altogether. But if it is involving the days of the 7th trumpet, there you go then.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.


a time, times, and an half---this equals great tribulation, it equals 1260 days. If we compare to Revelation 10, this is what that ch records.

David, "all these things" include the 1335th day in verse 12. You have the 1335th day going 45 days beyond the end of the time/times/half time.

My charts have the 1335th day finishing at the close of the time/times/half time.

 

[Happygolucky?]

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

I don’t claim to understand everything about Daniels 70 weeks and so on. I still feel like the Lord is revealing things at an accelerated rate currently. I look at things from a slightly different perspective. Most people think we will resort back to a 30 day month calendar, as seen in the days of Noah. But what if we don’t? Then perhaps we should look from a different perspective. Our current lunar cycle is 29.5 days.

H 4150 is word for time. it is appointed times



Time, times and 1/2 time can accommodate 1335 days.

Basically, you can complete that in anywhere from just over 3 years all the way up to just under 4 years. As long as you’re getting 3 full cycles of mowadim (appointed time) and 1/2 at either spring or fall.








42 months (new moons) can accommodate 1290 days



Leviticus 23:5



LXX.

G3376 - mēn - Strong's Greek Lexicon (lxx)

(Month)

ἐν τῷ πρώτῳ (μηνὶ) ἐν τῇ τεσσαρεσκαιδεκάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ τοῦ μηνὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τῶν ἑσπερινῶν πάσχα τῷ κυρίῳ



Nasb

h2320 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h2320/nasb20/wlc/0-1/

‘In the [fn]first (month), on the fourteenth day of the month [fn]at twilight is the LORD’S Passover.



g3376.https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3376/lxx/lxx/0-1/ = H2320 - ḥōḏeš - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (nasb20)



The Greek word for month, is the same word used in the Septuagint for the Hebrew word Chodesh . It means a new moon. 42 new moons could exceed 1290 days. Or it could speak of 42 full cycles of the moon.



42 new moons doesn’t need to be 1260
Days, you can actually fit almost 44 months in 42 new moons. It could be almost 44 months, if the 1290 started a few days after the first new moon, and ended a few days before the 43 new moon.

44x29.5-1= 1297 days. This would be supposing the AOD is set up immediately after the new moon. Or it could be speaking of 42 full cycles of the moon.

I mean, if somehow we go back to a 30 day cycle cool, but if not…need to start thinking

 

[DavidPT]

I don’t claim to understand everything about Daniels 70 weeks and so on. I still feel like the Lord is revealing things at an accelerated rate currently. I look at things from a slightly different perspective. Most people think we will resort back to a 30 day month calendar, as seen in the days of Noah. But what if we don’t? Then perhaps we should look from a different perspective. Our current lunar cycle is 29.5 days.

H 4150 is word for time. it is appointed times



Time, times and 1/2 time can accommodate 1335 days.

Basically, you can complete that in anywhere from just over 3 years all the way up to just under 4 years. As long as you’re getting 3 full cycles of mowadim (appointed time) and 1/2 at either spring or fall.








42 months (new moons) can accommodate 1290 days



Leviticus 23:5



LXX.

G3376 - mēn - Strong's Greek Lexicon (lxx)

(Month)

ἐν τῷ πρώτῳ (μηνὶ) ἐν τῇ τεσσαρεσκαιδεκάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ τοῦ μηνὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τῶν ἑσπερινῶν πάσχα τῷ κυρίῳ



Nasb

h2320 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h2320/nasb20/wlc/0-1/

‘In the [fn]first (month), on the fourteenth day of the month [fn]at twilight is the LORD’S Passover.



g3376.https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3376/lxx/lxx/0-1/ = H2320 - ḥōḏeš - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (nasb20)



The Greek word for month, is the same word used in the Septuagint for the Hebrew word Chodesh . It means a new moon. 42 new moons could exceed 1290 days. Or it could speak of 42 full cycles of the moon.



42 new moons doesn’t need to be 1260
Days, you can actually fit almost 44 months in 42 new moons. It could be almost 44 months, if the 1290 started a few days after the first new moon, and ended a few days before the 43 new moon.

44x29.5-1= 1297 days. This would be supposing the AOD is set up immediately after the new moon. Or it could be speaking of 42 full cycles of the moon.

I mean, if somehow we go back to a 30 day cycle cool, but if not…need to start thinking

As far as I can tell from the following in Revelation 12, the formula would be 1 + 2 + 1/2 =

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


It seems to me that the point here is, that a time, and times, and half a time, is meaning 1260 days. If we then use the above formula, 1 + 2 + 1/2 =, we then arrive at 1260 days like such.

360 days + 720 days + 180 days = 1260 days.

Or

1 year + 2 years + 1/2 year = 3.5 years.

or

12 months + 24 months + 6 months = 42 months

Which then means that whatever the starting number is in the formula 1 + 2 + 1/2 =, the next number is double what the starting number is, and that the last number is 1/2 what the starting number is.

If we assume 29.5 day length months, the math would work out like such.

29.5 days + 59 days + 14.75 days = 103.25 days. 103.25 days times 12 = 1239 days. 1239 is not a significant number.

As opposed to 30 day length months, the math would work out like such.

30 days + 60 days + 15 days = 105 days. 105 days times 12 = 1260 days. 1260 is a significant number.

 

[Douggg]

As far as I can tell from the following in Revelation 12, the formula would be 1 + 2 + 1/2 =

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


It seems to me that the point here is, that a time, and times, and half a time, is meaning 1260 days. If we then use the above formula, 1 + 2 + 1/2 =, we then arrive at 1260 days like such.

360 days + 720 days + 180 days = 1260 days.

Or

1 year + 2 years + 1/2 year = 3.5 years.

or

12 months + 24 months + 6 months = 42 months

Which then means that whatever the starting number is in the formula 1 + 2 + 1/2 =, the next number is double what the starting number is, and that the last number is 1/2 what the starting number is.

If we assume 29.5 day length months, the math would work out like such.

29.5 days + 59 days + 14.75 days = 103.25 days. 103.25 days times 12 = 1239 days. 1239 is not a significant number.

As opposed to 30 day length months, the math would work out like such.

30 days + 60 days + 15 days = 105 days. 105 days times 12 = 1260 days. 1260 is a significant number.

David, why do you think they use time/times/half time in one verse, versus 1260 days, and 42 months in other verses in Revelation?

The reason is as used in Revelation that they are not EXACT equivalents of one another.

 

[DavidPT]

David, why do you think they use time/times/half time in one verse, versus 1260 days, and 42 months in other verses in Revelation?

The reason is as used in Revelation that they are not EXACT equivalents of one another.

Douggg, all I'm basically saying is, time/times/half time, is what all these numbers are based on. That doesn't mean that when 1260 days are in progress, in regards to the 2Ws, and that when the 42 months are in progress, in regards to the reign of the beast, that these are involving the same time period. Yet they are both equally involving the same amount of time since 1260 days and 42 months, these equal the same amount of time. I basically see the 1260 days the 2Ws prophesy, that this represents the first half of the 70th week, and that when the beast is reigning 42 months, this represents the last half of the 70th week. And that both time periods are based on time/times/half time.

Time = 360 days + Times = 720 days + Half of Time = 180 days = 1260 days.

Time = 12 months + Times = 24 months + Half of Time = 6 months = 42 months.

Something else to think about here.

360 days + 12 months = 2 years

720 days + 24 months = 4 years

180 days + 6 months = 1 year.

2 Years + 4 years + 1 year = 7 years.

And that this is still based on time/times/half time, since the starting number is always half of the 2nd number, and that the last number is always half of the starting number.

 

[Happygolucky?]

As far as I can tell from the following in Revelation 12, the formula would be 1 + 2 + 1/2 =

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


It seems to me that the point here is, that a time, and times, and half a time, is meaning 1260 days. If we then use the above formula, 1 + 2 + 1/2 =, we then arrive at 1260 days like such.

360 days + 720 days + 180 days = 1260 days.

Or

1 year + 2 years + 1/2 year = 3.5 years.

or

12 months + 24 months + 6 months = 42 months

Which then means that whatever the starting number is in the formula 1 + 2 + 1/2 =, the next number is double what the starting number is, and that the last number is 1/2 what the starting number is.

If we assume 29.5 day length months, the math would work out like such.

29.5 days + 59 days + 14.75 days = 103.25 days. 103.25 days times 12 = 1239 days. 1239 is not a significant number.

As opposed to 30 day length months, the math would work out like such.

30 days + 60 days + 15 days = 105 days. 105 days times 12 = 1260 days. 1260 is a significant number.

Yes, I understand, But unless the cycle of the moon changes we’re on a 29.5 day per moon cycle. The Lord tells us to use the sun and the moon for seasons/appointed times (mowadim)

Genesis 1:14

So there’s definitely no wiggle room in the 1260 days. However, the time, times and half time is 3 full cycles of appointed times and one half cycle. This leaves a lot of wiggle room. The word in Greek for “time” is the same as moed (ie spring and fall appointed time) in Hebrew.

Unless the cycle of the moon changes, we will need to work with the current calendar. 42 Chodesh, (new moons), could potentially refer to 42 complete moon cycles, or 42 new moons. There would be some wiggle room in there, and could accommodate 1290 days.

29.5X42= 1239 plus 25 days from the month before the first Chodesh (not a complete lunar cycle) and 26 from the month after the completion of the 42nd completed lunar cycle would equal 1290 days. 1239+25+26= 1290 So you would have 42 complete moon cycles and 2 incomplete cycles. But as the language could suggest 42 moons

 

[grafted branch]

the great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place, based on Matthew 24:15-21.

The Daniel passages on the abomination of desolation are in Daniel 12:11-12. The great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Of that 1335 days, the 1290 days are "the tribulation of those days" in Matthew 24:29 to the sixth seal event, the powers of heaven shaken.

Then, in Matthew 24:30a, the world will see the sign of the Son of man in heaven. 45 days later, at the end of the great tribulation, Jesus descends to earth, coming in the clouds of heaven, Matthew 24:30b

Daniel 12:11-12 says 1290 days from the time the sacrifice is taken away until the AOD is set up. If you wait and come to 1335 days you will be blessed. Matthew 24:15-16 says when you see the AOD then let them in Judaea flee to the mountains.

Wouldn’t it make sense that the true believers are the ones who let those who have read, but don’t understand, flee when the AOD is set up and the true understanding believers just wait for 45 days then get blessed?

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 12:11-12 says 1290 days from the time the sacrifice is taken away until the AOD is set up.

No, it does not say "until". The two things essentially happen together.

As is says in Daniel 9:27 - "and"

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In Daniel 9:27, in the midst (middle part) of the week, the daily sacrifice is stopped and abominations take place that makes the temple desolate. (desolate - from the worship and praise of the One True God - implied.)

The part not identified in the text of Daniel 12:11 is 1290 days to what ?

 

[Douggg]

I basically see the 1260 days the 2Ws prophesy, that this represents the first half of the 70th week, and that when the beast is reigning 42 months, this represents the last half of the 70th week.

Basically, yes. But specifically...

1260 days, then the 3 1/2 days, then the 1256.5 days = 2520 days

The 1256.5 days is called 42 months. Restated as....

1260 days, then the 3 1/2 days, then the 42 months (1256.5 days) = 2520 days

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Regarding the time/times/half time.....

1260 days, then the 3 1/2 days, then the war in (second) heaven time, then the time/times/half time = 2520 days.

It is not given how long the war in heaven will be - which Satan is then cast down to earth, having a time/times/half time left (Revelation 12:14) - to calculate how many exact days the time/times/half time actually is.

The expression time/times/half time is a general way of saying 3 1/2 years. In actuality, it could be a little more or a little less than 3 1/2 years, depending upon where it is used in the bible.

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The most precise expressions are the ones that say "days" directly in the text. Such as 1260 days, 1290 days, 1335th day, 3 1/2 days.

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:15-16 says when you see the AOD then let them in Judaea flee to the mountains.

Wouldn’t it make sense that the true believers are the ones who let those who have read, but don’t understand, flee when the AOD is set up and the true understanding believers just wait for 45 days then get blessed?

Matthew 24:15-31 is basically Jesus's message to the Jews in the end times, when the AoD set up on the temple mount takes place. To survive, the message is to flee to the mountains of Israel, without delay. The ones who don't flee out of Jerusalem (the Judaea region) in time will be vulnerable to the persecution that will be taking place once the AoD is set up in the holy place (the temple mount).