How to kill Palestinians

[Micah68]

I think it's obvious we're not going to change each other's minds.

While I do not see the Israelites as "innocents" I cannot emotionally discard any people, even if many of them hate us, to torture and death.

Do innocent Palestinians die? Yes, everyday.

Does Israel cause most of the issues? Most certainly not.

Is it a complex issue with both sides having points to their arguments? Yes.

Does this mean that the Israelites should abandon their land, given to their Forefathers from old by God (even if you believe they no longer have any right to it)? Not at all. Nor should they give pieces of land to the Palestinians if it will threaten their security.

I find it sad about the whole affair, but most of all, I find it sad that many Israelites will go to their grave hating Christianity because some of us suggest they are not really Hebrews and that they not only do not deserve the land of their fathers, but that are evil warmongers who are the cause of all this problem... Meanwhile, the Palestinians make kids shows encouraging killing of Israelites, and specifically target children. No wonder some sneer at us.

The land being stolen and settled upon in the Palestinian territories is NOT Israeli Land nor is it recognized as such by the International body. Sadly, until all life is treated equal with justice and rights accorded all, peace will just go by the way side. OF Course as Christians and followers of the 'Prince of Peace' we should pursue nothing less than Peace for ALL Parties in Israel and Palestine.

 

[Carey]

The Wall stopped the suicide bombings in Jerusalem.

The shut-down of electricity and fuel will hopefully stop the rocket attacks.

The Palestinians have no one but themselves to blame for their plight- they totally control whether the switch is up or down.

Well the Israelites only took back their own land.

The Europeans stole the native Americans land.

But we had a great Idea. We gave them reservations and Casinos...That seemed to work pretty good at pasifying them. Maybe Israel should do that for the Palestinians.

 

[Tanakh]

The land being stolen and settled upon in the Palestinian territories is NOT Israeli Land nor is it recognized as such by the International body. Sadly, until all life is treated equal with justice and rights accorded all, peace will just go by the way side. OF Course as Christians and followers of the 'Prince of Peace' we should pursue nothing less than Peace for ALL Parties in Israel and Palestine.

The so-called "occupied territories" are Israeli land and just because the "international body" does not recognize it does not change reality; the reality is that G-d promised all of Israel to us Jews and therefore the "international body" is worthless as ALL of Israel's borders are recognized by G-d for He set the boundaries. Sadly peace is no longer peace, especially with those who use peace as a guise for pursuing their true goal which is shall we say......murder.

 

[Micah68]

Increase in Hebron settlement violence
B'Tselem
Oct 20, 2007

"On 19 March 2007, a new settlement was established, in the heart of the a-Ras Palestinian neighborhood. In the months that have passed since then, despite the decision of the Defense Minister at the time to evacuate the settlement, the settlement has grown. Recently, the settlement was connected to the electricity grid, and construction and renovation work is taking place at the site.

Since the settlement has been established, the harm to the Palestinian residents has increased and they have suffered further infringement of their human rights. Palestinians suffer both from the settlers and from Israeli security forces who have been assigned protect the settlement." http://imeu.net/news/article006791.shtml​

 

[Micah68]

Israel plans to 'isolate Gaza 100 per cent'




OCCUPIED JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israel plans to paralyse the infrastructure of the Gaza Strip in every possible way and separate itself completely from the Palestinian territory in the long term, a minister said on Saturday.
"We want to separate ourselves from the Gaza Strip at the level of its infrastructure in every way possible," Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai told Israeli public radio.
On Thursday, Defence Minister Ehud Barak announced that Israel would start periodic electricity cuts and limit fuel deliveries to the Strip because of the continued firing of rockets by militants.
But Vilnai said these measures were not really because of the rocket firing "but really to achieve the separation of this territory, which was approved in principle two weeks ago by the Israeli government, and whose application had only been delayed for a simple legalistic check". In September, the security Cabinet decreed the Gaza Strip "a hostile entitY". It has been controlled completely by Hamas since mid-June when the Islamist movement ousted security forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and the Fateh Party.
"Long term we want to separate ourselves from this territory, 100 per cent," said Vilnai, adding that at the moment Israel was providing all the fuel that the Gaza Strip needed, as well as two-thirds of its electricity supplies.
"Currently, more than 100 lorries loaded with food and basic necessities coming from Israel enter the Gaza Strip each day to avoid a humanitarian crisis, but we also have to find an alternative solution at this level," Vilnai said.
Since the Hamas takeover the Israelis have imposed a tight vice around the Gaza Strip, closing crossing points and only allowing through essential products.
Palestinians and human rights groups charge that the noose around the Strip amounts to collective punishment of civilians, contrary to international law.
The Israeli military claims that since the Islamists took control, a thousand rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel, wounding dozens of people.
The sanctions, the first of their kind since the Palestinian Intifada or uprising began in late September 2000, can now proceed without further authorisation from the Israeli government.
Since the uprising started, a total of 5,906 people - the vast majority of them Palestinians - have been killed in Israeli-Palestinian violence, according to an AFP count.

28 October 2007​

 

[Micah68]

This from my dear friend, she is a Palestinian American Christian.

Sherri Muzher: Prioritizing Palestinian Dignity

There seems to be a huge disconnect between the politicians/activists and the Palestinian people they claim to champion.

Special to PalestineChronicle.com

"I am Mr. Nobody," stated Palestinian Mahmoud Jnaid in an October 19th Reuters article. Jnaid recently doused himself in fuel and tried to set himself on fire before other Palestinian on-lookers overpowered him.

"When I poured the petrol on my body I felt life was the same as death," the 25-year-old said while he sat next to his wife and children.

Israel won’t approve ID papers for Jnaid and tens of thousands like him, effectively prohibiting them from traveling, getting driver’s licenses, or even opening bank accounts. Apparently, the denial of these daily basics makes Israel feel more secure. Go figure that one out. Ahem . . .

It was just the latest heart-wrenching story to come out of Palestine and I couldn’t help but wonder if Palestinian politicians and activists had lost sight of the Jnaids of Palestine with all of the ridiculous factionalism and meaningless infighting.

Sure, people are going to disagree on strategies and opinions. But there should be one sole driving force that unites people: Obtaining dignity and hope for the average Palestinian Joe.

Some argue that implementing laws is the prerequisite to obtaining that dignity and hope . . . so, the infighting continues over principles.

Well, most would consider that ‘living with dignity’ is an honorable principle in itself. The reality is that complicated and warped dynamics make the implementation of international laws unlikely in the near future. So until then, improving the lives of Palestinians should be the priority.

“What should move us to action is human dignity: the inalienable dignity of the oppressed, but also the dignity of each of us. We lose dignity if we tolerate the intolerable”

Those wise words came from civil rights activist Dominique de Menil. It’s applicable to so many crises around the world and especially to the Palestinian tragedy. So why aren’t some Palestinians remembering this as they waste valuable energies on marginalizing each other? The infighting is nothing short of self-destructive Also lost during the nasty disagreements is the civility and decency that signified our parents’ generation and the generations before them . . . but I digress.

To a large degree, it is understandable that many everyday Palestinians are now harsher and more mistrustful in their lives. They are responding to nearly 60 years of dispossession and 40 years of a cruel Israeli occupation -- they’ve learned to respond in kind in a tough world of survival. But the privileged in Palestine who’ve largely made their money through corruption and the activists who live in comfort here in the States? Please . . .

Palestine has now become about factions and ideology. There’s Hamas sitting on its “throne” in Gaza while the people’s suffering reaches epic proportions because of world isolation and there’s Fatah jousting for a meaningless spotlight by meeting with Israel while Palestinians are murdered in Israeli raids. There are the non-productive activists who spend their time labeling other Palestinians in the most repulsive terms and there are those who wish to negotiate with a self-righteous Opposition for the sake of negotiating. When exactly did self-respect and dignity go out of style? Sadly, every one of these behaviors illustrates a lack of self-respect.

W'aman La Yokarrem Nafsaho la Yokarram, which in Arabic means "he that doesn't respect himself shall not be respected.” Does this still mean something?

In a nutshell, there seems to be a huge disconnect between the politicians/activists and the Palestinian people they claim to champion.

Yes, that was a simplistic generalization to make because a lot of us feel blessed to know some brilliant diamonds in the coal. But there could be so many more diamonds if Palestinians and pro-Palestinians weren’t so turned off by the infighting. Add to this the huge feeling of burn-out among those few diamonds who are expected to keep producing and carrying the load.

People are naturally starting to ask, “what’s’ the point?”

Well, there is a major point and that point is to give hope to family and friends in Palestine . When a person has reason to hope, it’s easier to hold one’s head up high in dignity.

What can lead to this hope?

An abrupt stop to the new “us v. them” showdown is one important step. But no less important is the requirement of a different mindset so that progress is made It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that when a particular strategy hasn’t worked for decades, it’s time re-visit it until you get something workable and effective. There is nothing honorable or smart about clinging to useless slogans and strategies. Furthermore, history has proven that good intentions alone don’t matter.

I certainly don’t pretend to have all the answers but I’d like to suggest some new strategies:

-Build coalitions with mainstream organizations. There are so many issues that upset fellow Americans, especially paying taxes to support governments that don’t need it. Israel doesn’t need it.

- Break down barriers and dispel popular stereotypes. Take advantage of our precious freedom of speech by writing letters to the editors.

- Don’t assume that others have the same knowledge about the issue. Most people don’t know and get their knowledge from biased sources or pop culture. Don’t get mad; take advantage of the opportunity to calmly correct the misinformation. Note the world “calmly.” The popular stereotype is that people of Palestinian descent cannot control their tempers. Destroy that myth by example. People are more convinced by someone who is rational and calm.

- Quit pursuing the support of every leftist who claims to love justice. By now, I’d like to think that most activists are aware of the many insincere activists whose focus is to distract and sabotage relationships between pro-Palestinian groups. Besides, the Palestine conflict is a human issue, not a leftist issue.

- Passion has its positives and negatives, but use it to rejuvenate yourself and others. Don’t use it to tear people down because they disagree with you.

- Do unto others as you would want other to do to you. This Golden Rule sounds simple and yet some of the most rabid and rude individuals are activists. What exactly do people hope to gain by creating more enemies?

- Know the personal achievements of fellow Palestinians. There’s more to being Palestinian than just politics, and activists need to know these achievements. Celebrating the Palestinian identity is the single greatest thing activists can do.

- Remember that we are Americans, first and foremost. Vocalizing dislike for various policies just like every other American does is natural. Make sure to clarify that! Don’t hate this wonderful land of freedom. Big distinction but it is a distinction that often gets blurred in all the rhetoric and anger. The Opposition then manipulates the angry words for their dishonest PR efforts.

- If a political strategy doesn’t bring about understanding among the target audience (fellow Americans), then why bother? Preaching to the choir feels good up to a point. What’s the final goal though?

By no means should this piece be interpreted as blaming the victims. Israel has somehow convinced our nation though its intimidating lobbying that depriving people of their basic rights is a good thing. It’s a shame that they don’t look into the mindset of the Jewish instigators of the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The defiance of Mordechai Anielewicz and others in the face of utter misery was nothing short of remarkable and honorable.

In the end, perhaps it is the United Arab Emirates ’ Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum who said it best in his recent Sixty Minutes interview with Steve Kroft. They were discussing the unbelievably fast development in Dubai:

KROFT: Why do you want everything to be the biggest, the tallest?
SHEIK MOHAMMED: Steve, why not? Why not? If you can have it in New York, why can't we have it here?
KROFT: Why are you in such a hurry? Most people would try and do all of this in a lifetime, not in five years.
SHEIKH MOHAMMED: I want--I want my people to live better life now, to go to high school now, to go to the good health care now. Not after 20 years.

Wanting a better life for one’s people now . . . It’s a refreshing message and a rare one in the Arab World. Our goal should be to improve the lives of Palestinians everywhere, especially those in the Occupied Territories and squalid refugee camps. This certainly doesn’t mean giving up on the principles of justice or not holding Israel responsible for its crimes, but it does mean realizing the principles of dignity and hope for every Palestinian individual now.

It’s also a goal that should bring some unity and reason back into the current Palestinian atmosphere of infighting and insanity. We owe it to our families and friends in Palestine.

-Sherri Muzher, of Mason , Michigan , is a writer/activist and Director of the Michigan Media Watch.

 

[Carey]

The land being stolen and settled upon in the Palestinian territories is NOT Israeli Land nor is it recognized as such by the International body. Sadly, until all life is treated equal with justice and rights accorded all, peace will just go by the way side. OF Course as Christians and followers of the 'Prince of Peace' we should pursue nothing less than Peace for ALL Parties in Israel and Palestine.

I agree and the lland falsley called Palestine had a different name prior to it being unofficially and temporarily named Falistine by occupiers .

Yes peace is what Christians support but unfortunately peace sometimes requires war to create.

Yes the prince of peace is returning for war.
He will treat everyone equally and there will be NO democracy in his Kingdom.

 

[Carey]

Increase in Hebron settlement violence
B'Tselem
Oct 20, 2007

"On 19 March 2007, a new settlement was established, in the heart of the a-Ras Palestinian neighborhood. In the months that have passed since then, despite the decision of the Defense Minister at the time to evacuate the settlement, the settlement has grown. Recently, the settlement was connected to the electricity grid, and construction and renovation work is taking place at the site.​

Since the settlement has been established, the harm to the Palestinian residents has increased and they have suffered further infringement of their human rights. Palestinians suffer both from the settlers and from Israeli security forces who have been assigned protect the settlement." http://imeu.net/news/article006791.shtml​

The report listed details and dates of dozens of violent incidents allegedly perpetrated by settlers between March, when the building was first occupied, and September, and several incidents allegedly perpetrated by soldiers and border policemen between March and June.

"The true facts prove that the aggressive party in Hebron is the Arabs," Noam Arnon, spokesman for the Committee for the Renewal of the Jewish Community in Hebron, said. "In one week, more incidents of aggression by Arabs toward Jews are recorded than in all seven months recorded by the overblown report of the Left. The activists of the extreme Left encourage and initiate the Arab violence in Hebron."

Judea and Samaria District Police spokesman Supt. Danny Poleg said, "At this point, there are four complaints that are being handled by the Hebron subdistrict. The police know of a handful of incidents between Jews and Arabs in the context of the building, but there is no overall phenomenon. We should point out that there are mutual complaints by both sides."
Jpost, 22.10.2007

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=49685

 

[Carey]

Israel plans to 'isolate Gaza 100 per cent'




OCCUPIED JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israel plans to paralyse the infrastructure of the Gaza Strip in every possible way and separate itself completely from the Palestinian territory in the long term, a minister said on Saturday.
"We want to separate ourselves from the Gaza Strip at the level of its infrastructure in every way possible," Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai told Israeli public radio.
On Thursday, Defence Minister Ehud Barak announced that Israel would start periodic electricity cuts and limit fuel deliveries to the Strip because of the continued firing of rockets by militants.
But Vilnai said these measures were not really because of the rocket firing "but really to achieve the separation of this territory, which was approved in principle two weeks ago by the Israeli government, and whose application had only been delayed for a simple legalistic check". In September, the security Cabinet decreed the Gaza Strip "a hostile entitY". It has been controlled completely by Hamas since mid-June when the Islamist movement ousted security forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and the Fateh Party.
"Long term we want to separate ourselves from this territory, 100 per cent," said Vilnai, adding that at the moment Israel was providing all the fuel that the Gaza Strip needed, as well as two-thirds of its electricity supplies.
"Currently, more than 100 lorries loaded with food and basic necessities coming from Israel enter the Gaza Strip each day to avoid a humanitarian crisis, but we also have to find an alternative solution at this level," Vilnai said.
Since the Hamas takeover the Israelis have imposed a tight vice around the Gaza Strip, closing crossing points and only allowing through essential products.
Palestinians and human rights groups charge that the noose around the Strip amounts to collective punishment of civilians, contrary to international law.
The Israeli military claims that since the Islamists took control, a thousand rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel, wounding dozens of people.
The sanctions, the first of their kind since the Palestinian Intifada or uprising began in late September 2000, can now proceed without further authorisation from the Israeli government.
Since the uprising started, a total of 5,906 people - the vast majority of them Palestinians - have been killed in Israeli-Palestinian violence, according to an AFP count.

28 October 2007​

It seems Gods mighty hand is still at work

since the Islamists took control, a thousand rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel, wounding dozens of people.
The sanctions, the first of their kind since the Palestinian Intifada or uprising began in late September 2000, can now proceed without further authorisation from the Israeli government.
Since the uprising started, a total of 5,906 people - the vast majority of them Palestinians - have been killed in Israeli-Palestinian violence, according to an AFP count

Isaiah 60 : 12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined
14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

 

[Carey]

This from my dear friend, she is a Palestinian American Christian.

Sherri Muzher: Prioritizing Palestinian Dignity

There seems to be a huge disconnect between the politicians/activists and the Palestinian people they claim to champion.

Special to PalestineChronicle.com

"I am Mr. Nobody," stated Palestinian Mahmoud Jnaid in an October 19th Reuters article. Jnaid recently doused himself in fuel and tried to set himself on fire before other Palestinian on-lookers overpowered him.

"When I poured the petrol on my body I felt life was the same as death," the 25-year-old said while he sat next to his wife and children.

Israel won’t approve ID papers for Jnaid and tens of thousands like him, effectively prohibiting them from traveling, getting driver’s licenses, or even opening bank accounts. Apparently, the denial of these daily basics makes Israel feel more secure. Go figure that one out. Ahem . . .

It was just the latest heart-wrenching story to come out of Palestine and I couldn’t help but wonder if Palestinian politicians and activists had lost sight of the Jnaids of Palestine with all of the ridiculous factionalism and meaningless infighting.

Sure, people are going to disagree on strategies and opinions. But there should be one sole driving force that unites people: Obtaining dignity and hope for the average Palestinian Joe.

Some argue that implementing laws is the prerequisite to obtaining that dignity and hope . . . so, the infighting continues over principles.

Well, most would consider that ‘living with dignity’ is an honorable principle in itself. The reality is that complicated and warped dynamics make the implementation of international laws unlikely in the near future. So until then, improving the lives of Palestinians should be the priority.

“What should move us to action is human dignity: the inalienable dignity of the oppressed, but also the dignity of each of us. We lose dignity if we tolerate the intolerable”

Those wise words came from civil rights activist Dominique de Menil. It’s applicable to so many crises around the world and especially to the Palestinian tragedy. So why aren’t some Palestinians remembering this as they waste valuable energies on marginalizing each other? The infighting is nothing short of self-destructive Also lost during the nasty disagreements is the civility and decency that signified our parents’ generation and the generations before them . . . but I digress.

To a large degree, it is understandable that many everyday Palestinians are now harsher and more mistrustful in their lives. They are responding to nearly 60 years of dispossession and 40 years of a cruel Israeli occupation -- they’ve learned to respond in kind in a tough world of survival. But the privileged in Palestine who’ve largely made their money through corruption and the activists who live in comfort here in the States? Please . . .

Palestine has now become about factions and ideology. There’s Hamas sitting on its “throne” in Gaza while the people’s suffering reaches epic proportions because of world isolation and there’s Fatah jousting for a meaningless spotlight by meeting with Israel while Palestinians are murdered in Israeli raids. There are the non-productive activists who spend their time labeling other Palestinians in the most repulsive terms and there are those who wish to negotiate with a self-righteous Opposition for the sake of negotiating. When exactly did self-respect and dignity go out of style? Sadly, every one of these behaviors illustrates a lack of self-respect.

W'aman La Yokarrem Nafsaho la Yokarram, which in Arabic means "he that doesn't respect himself shall not be respected.” Does this still mean something?

In a nutshell, there seems to be a huge disconnect between the politicians/activists and the Palestinian people they claim to champion.

Yes, that was a simplistic generalization to make because a lot of us feel blessed to know some brilliant diamonds in the coal. But there could be so many more diamonds if Palestinians and pro-Palestinians weren’t so turned off by the infighting. Add to this the huge feeling of burn-out among those few diamonds who are expected to keep producing and carrying the load.

People are naturally starting to ask, “what’s’ the point?”

Well, there is a major point and that point is to give hope to family and friends in Palestine . When a person has reason to hope, it’s easier to hold one’s head up high in dignity.

What can lead to this hope?

An abrupt stop to the new “us v. them” showdown is one important step. But no less important is the requirement of a different mindset so that progress is made It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that when a particular strategy hasn’t worked for decades, it’s time re-visit it until you get something workable and effective. There is nothing honorable or smart about clinging to useless slogans and strategies. Furthermore, history has proven that good intentions alone don’t matter.

I certainly don’t pretend to have all the answers but I’d like to suggest some new strategies:

-Build coalitions with mainstream organizations. There are so many issues that upset fellow Americans, especially paying taxes to support governments that don’t need it. Israel doesn’t need it.

- Break down barriers and dispel popular stereotypes. Take advantage of our precious freedom of speech by writing letters to the editors.

- Don’t assume that others have the same knowledge about the issue. Most people don’t know and get their knowledge from biased sources or pop culture. Don’t get mad; take advantage of the opportunity to calmly correct the misinformation. Note the world “calmly.” The popular stereotype is that people of Palestinian descent cannot control their tempers. Destroy that myth by example. People are more convinced by someone who is rational and calm.

- Quit pursuing the support of every leftist who claims to love justice. By now, I’d like to think that most activists are aware of the many insincere activists whose focus is to distract and sabotage relationships between pro-Palestinian groups. Besides, the Palestine conflict is a human issue, not a leftist issue.

- Passion has its positives and negatives, but use it to rejuvenate yourself and others. Don’t use it to tear people down because they disagree with you.

- Do unto others as you would want other to do to you. This Golden Rule sounds simple and yet some of the most rabid and rude individuals are activists. What exactly do people hope to gain by creating more enemies?

- Know the personal achievements of fellow Palestinians. There’s more to being Palestinian than just politics, and activists need to know these achievements. Celebrating the Palestinian identity is the single greatest thing activists can do.

- Remember that we are Americans, first and foremost. Vocalizing dislike for various policies just like every other American does is natural. Make sure to clarify that! Don’t hate this wonderful land of freedom. Big distinction but it is a distinction that often gets blurred in all the rhetoric and anger. The Opposition then manipulates the angry words for their dishonest PR efforts.

- If a political strategy doesn’t bring about understanding among the target audience (fellow Americans), then why bother? Preaching to the choir feels good up to a point. What’s the final goal though?

By no means should this piece be interpreted as blaming the victims. Israel has somehow convinced our nation though its intimidating lobbying that depriving people of their basic rights is a good thing. It’s a shame that they don’t look into the mindset of the Jewish instigators of the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The defiance of Mordechai Anielewicz and others in the face of utter misery was nothing short of remarkable and honorable.

In the end, perhaps it is the United Arab Emirates ’ Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum who said it best in his recent Sixty Minutes interview with Steve Kroft. They were discussing the unbelievably fast development in Dubai:

KROFT: Why do you want everything to be the biggest, the tallest?
SHEIK MOHAMMED: Steve, why not? Why not? If you can have it in New York, why can't we have it here?
KROFT: Why are you in such a hurry? Most people would try and do all of this in a lifetime, not in five years.
SHEIKH MOHAMMED: I want--I want my people to live better life now, to go to high school now, to go to the good health care now. Not after 20 years.

Wanting a better life for one’s people now . . . It’s a refreshing message and a rare one in the Arab World. Our goal should be to improve the lives of Palestinians everywhere, especially those in the Occupied Territories and squalid refugee camps. This certainly doesn’t mean giving up on the principles of justice or not holding Israel responsible for its crimes, but it does mean realizing the principles of dignity and hope for every Palestinian individual now.

It’s also a goal that should bring some unity and reason back into the current Palestinian atmosphere of infighting and insanity. We owe it to our families and friends in Palestine.

-Sherri Muzher, of Mason , Michigan , is a writer/activist and Director of the Michigan Media Watch.

Supposedly wanting peace ( Liar ) while calling Israels defense of its land crimes.

Yes the innocent Palestinians when not attacking th horrible unsuspecting civilian Israelis, are always infighting Palestinian verses Palestinian.showing the nature of the majority of the people in their Palestinian culture as the violent lying criminals.

 

[Micah68]

Supposedly wanting peace ( Liar ) while calling Israels defense of its land crimes.

Yes the innocent Palestinians when not attacking th horrible unsuspecting civilian Israelis, are always infighting Palestinian verses Palestinian.showing the nature of the majority of the people in their Palestinian culture as the violent lying criminals.

I challenge you to prove the lie to counter a slander charge.

 

[Carey]

I challenge you to prove the lie to counter a slander charge.

Defending your country is not a crime. so this is a lie

( lie quote ) This certainly doesn’t mean giving up on the principles of justice or not holding Israel responsible for its crimes,

 

[Micah68]

Defending your country is not a crime. so this is a lie

( lie quote ) This certainly doesn’t mean giving up on the principles of justice or not holding Israel responsible for its crimes,

Hmmmm, no proof?



On the Law of Occupation
The law of occupation provides rules regulating the relationship between the Occupying Power and the population of the occupied territory (including refugees and stateless persons). It also regulates the relationship between the Occupying Power and the state whose territory has been occupied. The law of occupation comprises a vast array of norms, in particular Articles 42 to 56 of the Hague Regulations annexed to the 1907 Fourth Hague Convention Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land and Articles 27 to 34 and 47 to 135 of the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, as well as specific provisions contained in legal instruments such as Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions (1977) and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. It also includes customary norms, derived from the general practice of a majority of states over time. (For more information, see Applicable IHL Instruments.)
From the outset, one should note that all parties agree that the situation in the OPT falls, at least to some extent, under the legal regime governing occupation. There are, however, substantive disagreements about which international legal instruments are applicable to the OPT. In particular, Israel does not recognize the overall de jure applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the OPT, even though the Israeli High Court of Justice does admit the applicability of certain of its provisions as representing customary international law. This position has been strongly criticized by the rest of the international community. (For a discussion of Israeli objections to the applicability of the Geneva Conventions, the reader should consult the policy brief on the Application of International Humanitarian Law (IHL) to the OPT.)
Despite its objections to the overall application of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the OPT, Israel does, however, recognize the application to the OPT of the rules on occupation contained in the Hague Regulations, on the grounds that the Hague Regulations are now part of international customary law. Finally, since Israel ratified neither Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions nor the Rome Statute of the ICC, these instruments are not formally applicable to the OPT (albeit only to the extent that various provisions therein do not form a part of international customary law). Full Report (pdf* format, 164 KB

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/dbc.nsf/doc108?OpenForm&rc=3&emid=ACOS-635PFR

Pregnant Palestinian women and Israeli checkpoints: A deadly encounter!

. The report highlighted the denial of basic human rights and obstetric health care to 61 Palestinian women, who were forced against their will to give birth at one Israel's many illegal checkpoints scattered randomly throughout the West Bank and Gaza. Even more frightening and inhumane, the report noted that 36 infants died as a direct effect of Israeli obstruction at checkpoints. Regardless of whether these actions constitute official Israeli policy towards the occupied Palestinians, they represent a grave human rights violation and breach of internationally binding and accepted laws of war.

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/LSGZ-6GXHJK?OpenDocument&rc=3&emid=ACOS-635PFR

 

[Servant222]

So the Israelis are to blame because Palestinian women were forced to give birth at one of Israel's checkpoints- checkpoints that are there to try and stop suicide bombers.

First, why haven't the Palestinians taken on the social responsibility of providing adequate health care for their people? Why are they expecting someone else to help them? And if they are, why aren't their brothers and sisters in Egypt or Jordan stepping up to the plate?

Second, how is an Israeli soldier supposed to decide whether the bulge under a Palestinian's woman's dress is really a baby about to be born, or a load of explosives?

The Palestinians are collectively suffering because of a few fanatics in their midst that, like the Burmese Army, have all the power and guns to set the agenda.

 

[Micah68]

So the Israelis are to blame because Palestinian women were forced to give birth at one of Israel's checkpoints- checkpoints that are there to try and stop suicide bombers.

First, why haven't the Palestinians taken on the social responsibility of providing adequate health care for their people? Why are they expecting someone else to help them? And if they are, why aren't their brothers and sisters in Egypt or Jordan stepping up to the plate?

Second, how is an Israeli soldier supposed to decide whether the bulge under a Palestinian's woman's dress is really a baby about to be born, or a load of explosives?

The Palestinians are collectively suffering because of a few fanatics in their midst that, like the Burmese Army, have all the power and guns to set the agenda.

Servant you have learned well the Zionist game of blaming the victim, either that or you are truly ignorant of what occupation is and what the Palestinians have had to endure for the last 40 + years. Since 1967, Israel has OCCUPIED, illegally (not recaptured as promoted by CZ's and zionsit) the Internationally recognized Palestinian Territories. Christ would have one apply justice mercy and peace to all. The is the responsibiltiy of a Christian.

Top Israeli news anchor attacks occupation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1496298,00.html

The revered anchor of Israel's Channel One news programme for more than three decades has caused controversy by making a personalised documentary in which he concludes that Jewish settlements are endangering the country and that the occupation of Palestinian land is a crime.
"Since 1967, we have been brutal conquerors, occupiers, suppressing another people," Haim Yavin, who was a founder of Channel One and once its chief editor, says in the programme.

Whose Land is it? Apartheid in Israel/Palestine by Jonathan Frerichs
Much of the Israeli occupation is hidden -- a web of zones, restrictions and intrusions to maintain control. Injustice is gaining ground. Only deeds of love and truth will bring peace..

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2640

On the long climb to Jerusalem I notice two kinds of trucks. One kind is carrying huge battle tanks still muddy from combat in the West Bank. The other is carrying tents sent from America for Palestinians who have lost their homes in the fighting. The tanks tell rush-hour commuters, "We are at war." I see them again pictured on T-shirts that say "Peace Through Superior Force," The tents on the other trucks draw little attention. Their Palestinian recipients will eventually reject them as signs of the duplicity of American policy.
We pass a Jerusalem traffic light where Israeli and Palestinian thoroughfares intersect. The green light for the Israeli traffic is long. "You belong here," it seems to say. The green light for the Palestinian traffic is short. "We call this a racist traffic light," says an Israeli lawyer who defends East Jerusalem’s Arab residents. Through bypasses, overpasses and outright barriers, Israeli planners and engineers have removed most points of contact between the two populations, he explains. An "apartheid" tunnel probably will soon replace this light. To anyone entering East Jerusalem after an absence of several years, it is clear that Israel has been taking over traditional Arab neighborhoods.
Later, driving in an interchurch aid convoy to the town of Jenin, we pass military checkpoints where Palestinians wait in long lines. Not far away Israeli settlers speed to their jobs on highways cut through
[Palestinian land. The West Bank has 280 military checkpoints through which Palestinians must pass.
The settlements themselves make the loudest statement -- 190 of them now in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza, including enclaves carved out of Palestinian communities, according to the Foundation for Middle East Peace. The settlements are more numerous, more complete and much bigger than they were when I was here four years ago.
When the sun is shining these bright limestone cities set on top of hills dominate the landscape. Palestinian land has been expropriated for settlements and roads; Palestinian homes have been demolished as punishment for those who resist the Israeli occupation. These deeds are documented by courageous Palestinian and Israeli NGOs. Each fallen stone, each torn olive branch is a new memorial for the villages that have vanished by the hundreds since the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948.
Despite all these visible signs, much of the occupation is hidden, like an iceberg. Jeff Halper, an Israeli anthropologist who heads a nonprofit organization called the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, calls Israeli policy a "matrix of control." The system is "designed to allow Israel to control every aspect of Palestinian life in the occupied territories while lowering Israel’s military profile in order to give the impression to the outside world that what Palestinians refer to as ‘occupation’ is merely proper administration, and that Israel has a ‘duty’ to defend itself and the status quo, Halper says.

 

[gwynedd1]

So the Israelis are to blame because Palestinian women were forced to give birth at one of Israel's checkpoints- checkpoints that are there to try and stop suicide bombers.

First, why haven't the Palestinians taken on the social responsibility of providing adequate health care for their people? Why are they expecting someone else to help them? And if they are, why aren't their brothers and sisters in Egypt or Jordan stepping up to the plate?

Second, how is an Israeli soldier supposed to decide whether the bulge under a Palestinian's woman's dress is really a baby about to be born, or a load of explosives?

The Palestinians are collectively suffering because of a few fanatics in their midst that, like the Burmese Army, have all the power and guns to set the agenda.

Hello Servant222,


Then why do Israeli volunteers feel the need to aid Palestinians?

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3192/
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=12213

This is naturally grass roots only.

To consistently blame one side again really poor taste.

 

[Servant222]

I am not blaming one side- I have already expressed great empathy for the Palestinians.

But I have absolutely no use for those who either engage in violent acts, or support those acts.

And I do believe that it is the Palestinians, partly because they do not trust God and follow the example of Jesus, who are the instigators of most of the violence that we see.

 

[Carey]

I am not blaming one side- I have already expressed great empathy for the Palestinians.

But I have absolutely no use for those who either engage in violent acts, or support those acts.

And I do believe that it is the Palestinians, partly because they do not trust God and follow the example of Jesus, who are the instigators of most of the violence that we see.

Agreed

But stupid leadership that is in no place to make ultimatims does not help the Palestinian problems either.

RAMALLAH, West Bank - The chief Palestinian peace negotiator raised the stakes Tuesday for a U.S.-sponsored peace conference, saying there will be no talks with Israel unless it agrees to set a deadline for establishing a Palestinian state

In Egypt on Tuesday, Abbas lashed out against Israel for cutting fuel supplies to Gaza in an effort to pressure militants there to stop their daily rocket fire into southern Israel.


Palestinians in Gaza rely on Israel for all of their fuel and more than half of their electricity.
If the energy cutbacks don't halt rocket attacks, then Israel threatens an invasion. Defense Minister Ehud Barak told Army Radio on Tuesday, "Every day that
passes brings us closer to a broad operation in Gaza."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071030/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

Isaiah 60 : 12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined. ( Cannanites ,ROME , Palestine, etc. )

14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you; ( Palestinians and others in the near future )
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

 

[Micah68]

I am not blaming one side- I have already expressed great empathy for the Palestinians.

But I have absolutely no use for those who either engage in violent acts, or support those acts.

And I do believe that it is the Palestinians, partly because they do not trust God and follow the example of Jesus, who are the instigators of most of the violence that we see.

Amazing how little people know or choose to know about the true history of the Middle East. There is an (dwindling) indigenous population of Christians, who can trace their family roots back to the time of Pentecost who call themselves Palestinian Christians. Yet you refuse to acknowledge their presence.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And I do believe that it is the Palestinians, partly because they do not trust God and follow the example of Jesus, who are the instigators of most of the violence that we see.

It is a stern and superficial judgment to say that the Palestinians, all Palestinians, do not trust God or follow Christ's example.

And who can confirm that the Palestinians are the instigators of most of the violence 'that we see' What about the violence that we do not see? The corporate media only gives a distorted glimpse of events.