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How Old Is The Earth

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Where they force you to accept a theoretical premises, then push it as fact.
You do not understand science at all, nice try though. It is amazing how high school drop outs with five minutes of effort know more then PhD's that have put years and years into research and study.
 
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Christian would deny what God said
God speaks though science. If you read and studied your science book in school you would know that. Everyone reads the chapter on sex and reproduction. Amazing how much confidence they put in that section of our science book. I went to a private school though. So I do understand how the public school system has failed to educate. They only mange to brainwash people into believing drivel like we read in these posts.
 
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Because in Genesis 1:1 God created the earth. There is no way to determine a time line from that point. The only time line that can be established is when God began restoring the earth He created in Genesis 1:1. That time line can be determined starting at Genesis 1:3 or using Adam's linage up to Jesus

Amount of time from Adam to Jesus
That makes sense if you only read Genesis 1, but it falls apart when you read Genesis 2:2-3 and Exodus 20:11.
 
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Your pseudo science, is nothing more than subjective "circular reasoning". Where they force you to accept a theoretical premises, then push it as fact.

The fact is, that your pseudo science only has unproven theories to sell you. If you're happy to accept that, as fact then you're very gullible. There is no accurate method for dating fossils, so it's all gobbledygook.

Your comment "So I go with people who have a PhD". Wow you have placed your faith in some dude with a piece of paper. It's beggars belief!...
I agree, the dating methods are based on the idea that there was zero isotopic decay in materials when they were created but nobody knows that. People fail to realize that the dating methods are based on the idea that if the rate of decay remained constant and we calculate how long it would take to get back to zero decay then the material would be X amount of years old. But if that material contained decay the day it was created then that whole theory is busted.
 
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God speaks though science. If you read and studied your science book in school you would know that. Everyone reads the chapter on sex and reproduction. Amazing how much confidence they put in that section of our science book. I went to a private school though. So I do understand how the public school system has failed to educate. They only mange to brainwash people into believing drivel like we read in these posts.
Ok so you’re expecting that when God performs miracles that the laws of physics remain intact? So let’s say you’re riding in a boat and Jesus walks up next to the boat on the water in a physical human body, are the laws of physics remaining constant to what we know at that time?
 
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I only know one person that understands the timeline in the Bible based on Einstein's theory of relativity.
Well Jesus said that “in the beginning God created them male and female” so that does give us an idea that the earth isn’t 4.5 billion years old because according to the genealogy records in the Bible 6,000 years would be at the very end of a 4.5 billion year time line.
 
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Learn how radiometric dating, isotopes, and half-life help scientists estimate the age of Earth to be 4.5 billion years.

That age is, of course, as of July 18th, 2024.
That estimate is based on the contingency that there was zero isotopic decay when the material was created. What if there was already isotopic decay in the material when it was created 6,000 years ago?
 
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That estimate is based on the contingency that there was zero isotopic decay when the material was created. What if there was already isotopic decay in the material when it was created 6,000 years ago?
Sounds like a variation of the "God made everything look old" thing.
 
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You do not understand science at all, nice try though. It is amazing how high school drop outs with five minutes of effort know more then PhD's that have put years and years into research and study.
The truth is, the PhD's were subjugated to years of mental abuse and brainwashing. The sad reality is, all of them come out the other end like trained circus animals. All they need to do, is regurgitate what was forcefully fed to them over those years. They can't think outside the box, they lose their ability to critically examine anything. They are just used to being fed, so when they enter the real world and the milk bottle is removed, they're lost.
 
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God speaks though science. If you read and studied your science book in school you would know that. Everyone reads the chapter on sex and reproduction. Amazing how much confidence they put in that section of our science book. I went to a private school though. So I do understand how the public school system has failed to educate. They only mange to brainwash people into believing drivel like we read in these posts.
God does not speak through science, whoever told you that was lying to you. God has spoken through the Bible and nowhere else.
I feel sorry for your parents, who wasted money sending you to a private school and you still don't know fundamental facts about science.

I don't have the time to teach you the basics facts about science, sufficed to say that secular science is a pathetic attempt at trying to understand Gods laws which govern nature. Secular science uses the most pitiful "scientific method" to to discover Gods laws. They use the process of elimination, where they go through every possible combination to figure out one simple law.

Gods natural world is governed by millions of laws, secular science hasn't even scratched the surface. The only reason you're impressed by these clueless people is because you don't realize how little they have actually discovered thus far. They have been performing experiments for the past 6000 years and they still haven't figure out any of the simple stuff, so there's no chance thewy will ever touch the big stuff.

They say "small things amuse small minds", that explains why your fascinated with pseudo science and I find it extremely boring and dead. your secular scientists, can't even answer a 3 year old child's questions, let alone and intelligent adult like myself.

The 3 year old blows the secular science out of the water with simple questions like; "who am I", where did I come from", why am I here" and "where am I going". o_O:crosseo: :idea::amen:
 
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I agree, the dating methods are based on the idea that there was zero isotopic decay in materials when they were created but nobody knows that. People fail to realize that the dating methods are based on the idea that if the rate of decay remained constant and we calculate how long it would take to get back to zero decay then the material would be X amount of years old. But if that material contained decay the day it was created then that whole theory is busted.
Well said brother, I'm glad we agree on the main things, even if disagree on the peripherals.

I can't figure out why so any Christians turn their back on what God said and place their faith in fallen men, instead. God created science, so you would think that He deserves to be taken seriously.

Pope Francis said he believes in the theory of evolution, he believes God used Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection as a mechanism to create the natural world. He said "God is not a magician", so he's saying that God had to play by some natural laws, to enable Him to create everything.
 
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God does not speak through science, whoever told you that was lying to you.
It is against the law for you do call me a liar. Just because you do not understand does not mean it is not true.
 
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"small things amuse small minds"
I am not going to report you this time, but be warned, next time I well. God puts us here to build people up and encourage them. Not tear them down and belittle them so you can build yourself up.
 
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So let’s say you’re riding in a boat and Jesus walks up next to the boat on the water in a physical human body, are the laws of physics remaining constant to what we know at that time?
The Bible says Peter sank because of his lack of faith. The word “miracles” as we understand it today doesn’t appear in the Bible in its strict theological sense. The Latin word miraculum is not found in the Vulgate New Testament and appears only a few times in the Vulgate Old Testament for various Hebrew terms that describe.

The word “miracles” and “dynamite" are related through the Greek word dynamesi (δύναμις), which means “power” or “strength.”
 
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The Bible says Peter sank because of his lack of faith. The word “miracles” as we understand it today doesn’t appear in the Bible in its strict theological sense. The Latin word miraculum is not found in the Vulgate New Testament and appears only a few times in the Vulgate Old Testament for various Hebrew terms that describe.

The word “miracles” and “dynamite" are related through the Greek word dynamesi (δύναμις), which means “power” or “strength.”
The word "miracle" or "miracles" occurs 14 times in the NKJV New Testament. Sometimes it translates the Greek word semeion, and sometimes dunamis.
 
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The word "miracle" or "miracles" occurs 14 times in the NKJV New Testament. Sometimes it translates the Greek word semeion, and sometimes dunamis.
  • Semeion (σημεῖον): This word means “sign” and often refers to miracles that signify something deeper, such as the divine authority of Jesus or the coming of God’s kingdom.
  • Dunamis (δύναμις): This word means “power” and highlights the mighty deeds and supernatural power involved in performing miracles.
These terms help convey the significance and impact of miracles in the New Testament, emphasizing both their symbolic meaning and their demonstration of divine power.

The real question here is does God violate His own law to perform a miracle?
 
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It is against the law for you do call me a liar. Just because you do not understand does not mean it is not true.
I said it's a lie because you just made that up. you never answered the question, "who told you this" or where did you hear it or did you just make it up as it makes no sense at all.
 
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I am not going to report you this time, but be warned, next time I well. God puts us here to build people up and encourage them. Not tear them down and belittle them so you can build yourself up.
You're welcome to express your opinion, but make sure you qualify it by stating "in my opinion" so I know it's just your opinion
 
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  • Semeion (σημεῖον): This word means “sign” and often refers to miracles that signify something deeper, such as the divine authority of Jesus or the coming of God’s kingdom.
  • Dunamis (δύναμις): This word means “power” and highlights the mighty deeds and supernatural power involved in performing miracles.
These terms help convey the significance and impact of miracles in the New Testament, emphasizing both their symbolic meaning and their demonstration of divine power.

The real question here is does God violate His own law to perform a miracle?
No, God doesn't violate His own law, as He would if He (for example) issued a decree that people should worship Baal instead of Him. He created the Universe to work in certain ways (we sometimes refer to these ways as "laws" but God doesn't), but as Creator, He can and does sometimes overrule one of those ways. Otherwise, the Flood would not have happened, the Israelites wouldn't have crossed the Red Sea, and Jesus wouldn't have been born of a virgin.
 
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