How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[brinny]

sounds like a living hell.

 

[strangertoo]

Ever been thru a siege, torture, famine or "holocaust".
Is it just "MEN" fleeing for men, women and children?

that makes no difference because the scripture doesn't say anything remotely like 'men fleeing from men ' or '"MEN" fleeing for men, women and children'

READ it in your bible :-

Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

in other words they will seek death, but not be able to die...

there is no 'third death' after a second death frees one from sin a second time as its wages :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

so death and hell are destroyed in the lake of fire, no more death after the second death, only perfection of love in the final trial, baptism of 'fire in the 'lake of fire' ... God will not allow continual suicide to escape His Truth about love, as Jesus sauys ALL creation will accept him, so those at the end after the many have been saved [Rev 7:9-10] still need all three baptisms , water, spirit , and fire :-

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

all flesh is baptised of the spirit [Joel 2:28] at the second resurrection , the first opportunity of all flesh being free of sin after death frees all sinners from sin [equivalent to water baptism]

so all that remains fr those who die a second death for continued sin in the kingdom come is to be baptised with fire , trial to perfect Love...

but rather obviously this is FUTURE...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

READ it in your bible :-

Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

in other words they will seek death, but not be able to die...

there is no 'third death' after a second death frees one from sin a second time as its wages :-...

Great verses!

that makes no difference because the scripture doesn't say anything remotely like 'men fleeing from men ' or '"MEN" fleeing for men, women and children'

I have no idea what you are talking about in the first part of you post
Oh wait, maybe you are talking about the Jews fleeing from the Romans who are the ones bringing to them Death, Sorrow and Famine.

I don't think the denarius is used anymore as a Roman currency, but, I could be wrong

Luke 19:43 `Because days shall come upon Thee, and thine enemies shall cast around Thee a rampart/siege-works, and compass Thee round, and press Thee on every side,

NKJV) Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius;
and do not harm the oil and the wine."

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ;
and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !

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[strangertoo]

sounds like a living hell.

Lol... one of the weirdest oxymorons born of modern religious myth ... hell [Greek 'hades', Hebrew 'olam'] simply a a way of talking about the dead as if they were in a place ... an invisible place

clearly many people are cremated these days , but no-one thinks twice about this proving there are no fires in hell, no punishment in death but death itself, what Jesus called sleep , which again is not much of a punishment because no-one can be aware of death, the dead are not conscious as indeed any brain test proves... and the body of consciousness is gone [which even 'astral travellers' have to return to for physical life else the body dies and they are asleep in death in 'hel']

but seriously Jesus went to hell and said nothing of any fire or punishment there [nor that he was there as a visiting preacher as some say LOL?] , so it is worth examining the scripture tanslations to understand why the modern myths about 'hell' , mostly created by Dante's fictional work that many take seriously... bizarre reason for belief really, but that is folks for you...

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

I think this shows rather clearly that hell was no choice for Jesus, it is automatic that at death one 'goes to hell' , it i simply a way of talking about the absence of the dead until ALL are resurrected

and that is the other thing Jesus says about hell which disproves the endless meaningless punishment nonsense that is just alien to Love which is God ...

Revelation 20:13 ... death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

death and hell are destroyed , so there can be no endless punishment in hell as some claim from fairly conclusively thus-proven mistransslations , no widely revealed as false even on the web...

the word root 'aion-' understandably refers to an aeon, an age, a long but finite duration of time... it never means endless , not even close ...

as for the idea of 'eternity' [endlessness of the spirit) being an infinity of time, that was simply assumed by Newton to be a reasonable assumption, since disproven by Einstein and experimentally verified that Newton was wrong, Einstein's theoretical prediction proved right by astronomical measurements of the greatest precision able to discriminate between these two models ...

more credible here though perhaps, God tells us that our space-time universe was not only created, but ends , so time is indeed finite [but God as creator can and will create again, can and will re-create time and space but this next time with a new earth large enough for resurrection of all folks who died sinners , at least twice as many as now live on earth... so teh new earth has to be bigger ...

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

again we may note the current best physical theory of creation, that the elements were born in 'fervent heat' way beyond the temperatures of our sun, now being approached closely in the huge Large Hadron Collider experiment investigating matter at these high temperatures...

so we might reflect on how different is the story in God's scripture athn all the tales told in all mass religions of sinners... and reconsider the use god has for scripture :-

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth

it is worth remembering that before one calls life a living hell, that 'hell' is completely innocuous sleep from which one seems to wake instantly although for most a thousand years of the new earth kingdom have already passed for the saints, simply because God cannot baptise anyone who is still a sinner [but death frees all from sin]

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

thus anyone who dies a sinner has already suffered enough from not having the blessings from being Loving in life ... the 'Comforter' of knowing the truth and the future from God Himself and being one with one's own conscience, heart of love, spirit, and mind...

there is no reason for God to punish anyone any more than their own unloving ways punishes them in itself :-

Psalms 10:2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

Psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

the other thing God says is that the spirit of a man always returns to Him, so 'hell' is with God , utterly secure , but sinners have to be resurrected to LIFE because one can only LOVE in life and only by LOVE can one be translated to full freedom of teh spirit from manifestation still subject to death for any sin , one with God :-

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

John 3:6 .... that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

thus we find that the MANY are desr=troyed utterly in the destruction of this universe [Matt 7:13] ,and FEW are saved at the first resurrection [of the few saints -Jude 1:14]

BUT countless many are saved afterwards [Rev 7:9-10] after the second resurrection , who obviously were destroyed in thsi universe, but all are resurrected from hell [Rev 20:13] to the new earth and heavens and this is enough to make countless many ty Love freely and fnd out their being did not lie to them, Love really is a great way to live, sin only brings misery and death its 'wages' ... God did not lie, but FEW believe Him REALLY in his life, no matter so many are religious, to BELIEVE God and Jesus one must Love , believing in Love one will DO it , else one is fooling oneself that one believes in Love, believes in the true God of Love...

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
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James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
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James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

one can only be saved by REAL faith in Love that causes one to Love, not sin abusing others any longer ... one cannot be saved by faith that is dead... faith in continued sin as in much religion of sinners led by sinners...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

thus it is indeed ironic that all sinners who die sinners are saved by the truth they did not believe in this life because theyhad faith in sinners as priests instead of faith in God and Jesus whose ONLY followers are saints [e.g. Jude 1:14] no longer sinners...

and that is the great sin of 'sinner priests' ordained by sinners, not by God or saints... that they actually teach folks that they cannot escape sin, directly making nonsense of Jesus command to Love... for Love is keeping God's law of Love, sin is breaking it, and none who sins STILL, who won't perfect Love, can know God or be baptised of the holy Spirit , so cannot enetr the kingdom until death has freed them from sin...

 

[Evergreen48]

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !......

....Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it...........


NKJV) Revelation 18:8 "Therefore her plagues will come in one day -- death and mourning and famine.


And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong [is] the Lord God who judges her.

If anyone is interested The complete works of Flavius Josephus can be found at the following link:
War of the Jews - Flavius Josephus

sounds like a living hell.

Indeed it was, but it was not like they didn't have plenty of warning. But they didn't believe the prophets of old and neither did they believe Jesus.


Jer. 19:1 "Thus saith the LORD, Go and get a potter's earthen bottle, and take of the ancients of the people, and of the ancients of the priests; 2. And go forth unto the valley of the son of Hinnom, which is by the entry of the east gate, and proclaim there the words that I shall tell thee, 3.[/COLOR][/FONT] And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. 4. Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5. They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: 6.Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter. 7.And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. 8.And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof. 9.And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.

And then Jesus came among them and began to preach:
Matt.4:17. 'From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Mark 1:14 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

And he told this to his disciples: ( It is likely that they published the following among the people as they went about preaching the gospel, both by word of mouth and by circulating letters among the believers.)

Matt. 24:4. "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8. All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand ) 16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18.neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mark 6:7. "And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits; 8. And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: 9. But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. 10. And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place. 11. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 12. And they went out, and preached that men should repent."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Little Lamb of Jesus The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !......

Indeed it was, but it was not like they didn't have plenty of warning. But they didn't believe the prophets of old and neither did they believe Jesus.. ."

Thank you for sharing your view

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[LittleLambofJesus]

i don't see how one could ever say none . . . obviously the historical overthrow of Jerusalem ad 70 has to be in play as well as numerous other happenings. the big question among theologians is this a now and not yet sort of prophecy? was the physical destructions a type of the destructions to come at the end?

go cards

Would be interesting to look at the posts of those who voted "none of it is fulfilled" to see how they came about that view

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[doright]

WE ARE IN THE SPACE BETWEEN V1 and v8 right now

after v 8 the rapture happens

then the trouble starts

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

WE ARE IN THE SPACE BETWEEN V1 and v8 right now

after v 8 the rapture happens

then the trouble starts

So your view is none of it is fulfilled, since the first part is being fulfilled now?
Just vote for "other" in that case.

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[BornOfWaterAndSpirit]

Some of it was fulfilled in 70 AD.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Most of it was fulfilled in 70 AD.

The only thing not fulfilled yet is Second Coming and end of the world, of which no man knows the day or the hour.

Thank you for posting

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Ever been thru a siege, torture, famine or "holocaust".
Is it just "MEN" fleeing for men, women and children?
Some more tidbits from Josephus

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !......

....Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it...........

NKJV) Revelation 18:8 "Therefore her plagues will come in one day -- death and mourning and famine.
And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong [is] the Lord God who judges her.

sounds like a living hell.

Sounds almost like the Holocaust of WW2 in some ways...

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[DARRELLll]

The Term Time Of Troubles Is Old English For Birth Pains,
And What Is About To Be Born Is The Glorifide Saints Out Of The Church After Verse 8 Then The Rest Of The Church Will Be Killed
For Their Belief

 

[ORWildcat]

I view it as completely fulfilled..For a very informative read of this subject get this book and read it if you never have. Very informative. Matthew 24 fulfilled by John L. Bray. Great read.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Thank you for your input.

Not sure I understand the above part. If Matthew 24 is fulfilled, isn't that the 2nd coming?

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Lol, oh yeah, your right. Minus that.
And yeah, I couldn't leave the topic without leaving something.

I hope you will come back


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[LittleLambofJesus]

I view it as completely fulfilled..For a very informative read of this subject get this book and read it if you never have. Very informative.
Matthew 24 fulfilled by John L. Bray. Great read.

I will have to read up on him. Thanks


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[Tellastory]

I had voted "other" as I lean on Him to help me explain.

At the beginning of Matthew, His disciples had asked a series of questions that goes beyond the question when asking about the Temple so you have to lean on Him for discernment as to what answer He has given that applies to which of those questions that His disciples had asked.

Matthew 24:1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, ..........

So there is like two other questions that can go beyond the scope about the Temple.

#1) When shall these things be?

#2) and what shall be the sign of thy coming,

#3) and of the end of the world?

Usually readers see this as being all lumped together as one question in reference to the timeframe of the first question relating to the Temple, but not so if one considers the ramifications of the other two questions.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I had voted "other" as I lean on Him to help me explain.

At the beginning of Matthew, His disciples had asked a series of questions that goes beyond the question when asking about the Temple so you have to lean on Him for discernment as to what answer He has given that applies to which of those questions that His disciples had asked.

Matthew 24:1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, ..........

So there is like two other questions that can go beyond the scope about the Temple.

#1) When shall these things be?

#2) and what shall be the sign of thy coming,

#3) and of the end of the world?

Usually readers see this as being all lumped together as one question in reference to the timeframe of the first question relating to the Temple, but not so if one considers the ramifications of the other two questions.

Thks for yer input.

FWIW, the word is "full end of the AGE", not world




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[coraline]

End of the old covenant age. AD70

No twisting scriptural words like "soon" or "this generation" for this semi-scholar.

It's an easy lie to detect.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

End of the old covenant age. AD70

No twisting scriptural words like "soon" or "this generation" for this semi-scholar.

It's an easy lie to detect.

Thks yfor the response.

Can I give ya a hearty