How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[LittleLambofJesus]

ALL fulfilled! Hey LLOJ! How ya doing?? blessings, w

Hi WS! Hope ya come back to CF soon.
I miss your spirit led posts

 

[cupid dave]

Another prophecy in Matt 24 was fulfilled too:


Matt. 24:30 And then, (hearlding the end of pagan astrological worship: [Rev.6:12-17]), shall appear (in the clouds, to Constantine and 12, 000 soldiers: [As reported to us by the historian Eusibius]), the sign, (i.e.; The Cross), of the Son of man, (not the Son of God), in heaven, (ushering forth the new paradigm of monotheistic Hebrew Christianity):
and then shall all the tribes of the earth (in the Western European Roman Empire) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man, (not the Son of God), coming (at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, which fully legalized and then legitimized Christianity in the Empire for the first time) in the clouds of heaven, (seen by Constantine himself and 12, 000 soldiers as reported by Eusibius, the historian), with (socio-political) power ([Rev 4:11] in the establishment of Universal Roman Christianity), and great glory (in a Pope, identifiable with Appollyon, the destroyer, Abaddon in the Hebrew: [Rev 9:11] the reign, in 467AD, othe first pope Hilary I).



As reported to us by the historian at that time, Eusibius:
In the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world at that time, was conquered by the sign of the Christian Faith.
Just before a decisive battle, he and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By this sign you will conquer."
Just before a decisive battle, in the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world, and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By thisign you will conquer."
　
　
The following night Christ appeared to him with the Cross in His hand and told him that by this sign he would defeat his enemy, directing that each soldier's shield bear the sign of the Cross.
The emperor fulfilled the command of God and conquered.
Seeing the power of the Cross he abandoned paganism and embraced the Christian Faith, placing his entire empire under the protection of Christ and His Cross. Constantine legalized Christianity and then moved the seat of the empire from Rome to Constantinople to make a new beginning, calling this city the second Rome. Thus arose the Byzantine empire the first Christian society that was governed by Christian principles.

 

[Huram Abi]

Another prophecy in Matt 24 was fulfilled too:


Matt. 24:30 And then, (hearlding the end of pagan astrological worship: [Rev.6:12-17]), shall appear (in the clouds, to Constantine and 12, 000 soldiers: [As reported to us by the historian Eusibius]), the sign, (i.e.; The Cross), of the Son of man, (not the Son of God), in heaven, (ushering forth the new paradigm of monotheistic Hebrew Christianity):
and then shall all the tribes of the earth (in the Western European Roman Empire) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man, (not the Son of God), coming (at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, which fully legalized and then legitimized Christianity in the Empire for the first time) in the clouds of heaven, (seen by Constantine himself and 12, 000 soldiers as reported by Eusibius, the historian), with (socio-political) power ([Rev 4:11] in the establishment of Universal Roman Christianity), and great glory (in a Pope, identifiable with Appollyon, the destroyer, Abaddon in the Hebrew: [Rev 9:11] the reign, in 467AD, othe first pope Hilary I).



As reported to us by the historian at that time, Eusibius:
In the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world at that time, was conquered by the sign of the Christian Faith.
Just before a decisive battle, he and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By this sign you will conquer."
Just before a decisive battle, in the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world, and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By thisign you will conquer."
　
　
The following night Christ appeared to him with the Cross in His hand and told him that by this sign he would defeat his enemy, directing that each soldier's shield bear the sign of the Cross.
The emperor fulfilled the command of God and conquered.
Seeing the power of the Cross he abandoned paganism and embraced the Christian Faith, placing his entire empire under the protection of Christ and His Cross. Constantine legalized Christianity and then moved the seat of the empire from Rome to Constantinople to make a new beginning, calling this city the second Rome. Thus arose the Byzantine empire the first Christian society that was governed by Christian principles.

Nope. Take all your additions to scripture out, Cupid. It says nothing about Constantine or his deathbed claims of grandiousity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Another prophecy in Matt 24 was fulfilled too:

Matt. 24:30 And then, (hearlding the end of pagan astrological worship: [Rev.6:12-17]), shall appear (in the clouds, to Constantine and 12, 000 soldiers: [As reported to us by the historian Eusibius]), the sign, (i.e.; The Cross), of the Son of man, (not the Son of God), in heaven, (ushering forth the new paradigm of monotheistic Hebrew Christianity):
and then shall all the tribes of the earth (in the Western European Roman Empire) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man, (not the Son of God), coming (at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, which fully legalized and then legitimized Christianity in the Empire for the first time) in the clouds of heaven, (seen by Constantine himself and 12, 000 soldiers as reported by Eusibius, the historian), with (socio-political) power ([Rev 4:11] in the establishment of Universal Roman Christianity), and great glory (in a Pope, identifiable with Appollyon, the destroyer, Abaddon in the Hebrew: [Rev 9:11] the reign, in 467AD, othe first pope Hilary I).


As reported to us by the historian at that time, Eusibius:
In the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world at that time, was conquered by the sign of the Christian Faith.
Just before a decisive battle, he and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By this sign you will conquer."
Just before a decisive battle, in the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world, and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By thisign you will conquer."
　
The following night Christ appeared to him with the Cross in His hand and told him that by this sign he would defeat his enemy, directing that each soldier's shield bear the sign of the Cross.
The emperor fulfilled the command of God and conquered.
Seeing the power of the Cross he abandoned paganism and embraced the Christian Faith, placing his entire empire under the protection of Christ and His Cross. Constantine legalized Christianity and then moved the seat of the empire from Rome to Constantinople to make a new beginning, calling this city the second Rome. Thus arose the Byzantine empire the first Christian society that was governed by Christian principles.

Josephus appears to be the only one that witnessed the event of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7591863/#post60286141

The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ occurred on Oct. 28, 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, fulfilling Mat. 24:30.
On that day Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow.

Sounds like the fulfillment of Revelation 1:7

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Young) Matthew 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast,
and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;

Greek NT - Textus Rec.) Matthew 24:30 kai tote fanhsetai to shmeion tou uiou tou anqrwpou en tw ouranw kai tote koyontai pasai ai fulai thV ghV
kai oyontai ton uion tou anqrwpou ercomenon epi twn nefelwn tou ouranou meta dunamewV kai doxhV pollhV

Revelation 1:7Lo!,
He doth come with the clouds and see Him shall every eye, even those who did pierce Him
and wail because of Him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!

Greek NT - Textus Rec.) Revelation 1:7 idou ercetai meta twn nefelwn kai oyetai auton paV ofqalmoV kai oitineV auton exekenthsan
kai koyontai ep auton pasai ai fulai thV ghV nai amhn

 

[homeofmew]

Age could mean anything.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]For all we know The End of the Age taking place during the conjunction of the New Moon and Asteroid Apophis on Friday the thirteenth of April 2029[/FONT]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Age could mean anything.

For all we know The End of the Age taking place during the conjunction of the New Moon and Asteroid Apophis on Friday the thirteenth of April 2029

I thought that was to happen May of 2177

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[secondtimearound]

I view it as ongoing and being fulfilled as we speak.

 

[strangertoo]

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

righteousness is OBEYING God, and God commands us to love one another, to stop sinning against one another , so all that prevents one knowing from God all truth [John 16:13] is one's continuing sin hurting others instead of loving all...


It is very clear from this thread that people seek the answers from sinners who still refuse to accept the scripture as a WHOLE and who also pretend one can know God from reading scripture alone...

the point is that scripture could not be the word of God if the OT and NT were to tell different stories as many sinners claim, but there is only one God and the nT mostly simply repeats what the OT said giving some new implications of the SAME truth of God , God's rule as creator for His creation, simply that we shall become ONE because God is ONE , or as it is expressed in scripture , that we have to love one another else we shall not know God or be known of God ...

thus simply stop sinning and God will baptise you of the spirit to know all truth, told from God ,not from sinners or saints what the signs are, the future [John 16:13]

it's simply NOT the way described in scripture to try and piece together tales of sinners about what the saints mean, all one needs is to find the WAY [which FEW do in THIS life -Matt 7:14 - so much for mass religion of sinners- many do in the next life in the kingdom come [Rev 7:9-10] but only after being destroyed in this life [Matt 7:13]

so it is as well to learn from scripture to seek the truth from God by casing one's sin in obedience to God and Jesus' command to love, for sin is unloving , one cannot know God and Hs truth as a sinner ,water baptism is the declaration of one dying to sin, so one must HONOUR that and die to sin before spirit baptism can occur , else God's spirit CANNOT enter a sinner :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

thus the FOUNDATION of God comes FIRST , depart from iniquiy and God will teach you everything Himself as the new covenant states , no need to be taught by anyone else , BUT one must keep oneself from sin ...

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

the first step after being called is thus to stop sinning so God can teach one all things ,even the future, all the signs of the end of this universe and the reasons why mankind needs another before all creation finishes its task of loving one another, being one with God :-

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

those dedicated to sin cannot accept these words of the saints and Jesus said leave them alone because of the SIGN of the end no-one here seems to have noticed : Jesus said that the final antichristos [one in place of Christ] must come BEFORE Jesus can return and save the few remaining saints from the wrath of God and end of this earth and heavens [2Thessalonians 2]

the bible has MUCH to say about that , but sinners do not teach it because it disproves their 'theologies' ... Jesus says ALL THE WORLD will WORSHIP the image set up by Satan [Rev 13:3-4] of a god and christ which are thus fakes, all the world will be deceived because they are sinners and CANNOT be taken by Jesus, he says he will deny ALL who are still sinners by his return ... how can one not have read these words of Jesus and continue worshipping a false image of the god of sinners, all that continue to sin follow Satan, not Jesus , as the above quotes of saints show...:-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

these are Jesus' words, how can so many deny them ? - the answer si that religion of the masses of sinners is already controlled by Satan, teaches people they can continue to sin , that grace works for sinners, but scripture states that grace is unmerited forgiveness and remission of PAST sins, so it only works when one STOPS sinning at water baptism... that is what water baptism SIGNIFIES , the detemination not to sin any more [which MOST fail, so never get baptised of the spirit to knwo all ruth from God -John 16:13 ]

so the METHOD of finding the truth is to stop sinning so God can tell one ALL truth and the future, not to go to church or bible school and learn the lies of Satan about scripture, but to learn from God as the saints ALL do:-

Hebrews 8:11 And they [saints] shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

this IS the new covenant given to Israel [Jer 31:31-34] i the OT, see ? - repeated in the NT [Heb 8:8-12] by Paul as his task was to teach the gentiles about Israel , how they were rejected FOR SIN, but now are accepted because God WILL teach them to love as he requires the FEW saints to be kings and priests in His kingdom come ,eventually to save countless many later [Rev 7:9-10] when all sinners are released form hell and death [Rev 20:13] to be tested to see if they will love, not sin, in the next life before judgement of their WORKS at judgement day ... READ IT and weep at hw few listen to God and Love [and live with God within] instead of sinning and being destroyed in the end of this earth:-

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

- sin is UNLOVING , love is keeping god's law, sin is breaking i

- live by Love and God comes within, live by sin and God cannot come within, one does not know god by sin, but by love:-t

1 John 4:16 God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

sin then is the enemy of Truth , your enemy within you is desire to sin which prevents God telling you the Truth as long as you still sin... because sin is not love, it is the very opposite of love...

thus we see everyone here is using the wrong METHOD to know the Truth of God about themselves and the future, even to knwo God and Jesus as they really are, not the stories about images of them told by sinners under Satan's guidance of the mass churches of sinners led by sinners, not saints ... blind leading the blind astray

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I view it as ongoing and being fulfilled as we speak.

How much of, if any, do you view as being fulfilled in the past? Thanks

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[strangertoo]

Originally Posted by homeofmew

Age could mean anything.

For all we know The End of the Age taking place during the conjunction of the New Moon and Asteroid Apophis on Friday the thirteenth of April 2029
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we do know that's not a sign mentioned in scripture and we do know that the end of this earth is preceded by other signs in order , so as Jesus says, we just have to WATCH ... but most folks cannot be troubled to read and understand the sequence of signs, so as Jesus says, it will take them like a thief in the night ...

but if you accept the modern theory of the universe as space-time, ONE thing interconnected , then the end of universe is the end of time, the end of the finite 'age' ... so in fact it cannot be just anything, it is very specific ...

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
...
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent
heat?

it comes down then to readind all the scripture instead of listening to what sinners say , and WATCHING the signs...

Mark 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

 

[christseeker45]

I voted all

 

[strangertoo]

but Jesus did not unite the two nations of Israel yet ...

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I voted all

Thank you for responding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

but Jesus did not unite the two nations of Israel yet ...

we do know that's not a sign mentioned in scripture and we do know that the end of this earth is preceded by other signs in order , so as Jesus says, we just have to WATCH ... but most folks cannot be troubled to read and understand the sequence of signs, so as Jesus says, it will take them like a thief in the night ...

it comes down then to readind all the scripture instead of listening to what sinners say , and WATCHING the signs...

Thank you for your response.
Aren't we all sinners?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-4/#post53043894
What the sign?

Matt 24:3.....and what? the Sign...
Mark 13:4.....and what? the Sign...
Luke 21:7.....and what? the Sign...

I view all of it fulfilled...................

29 23.02%
I view it as mostly/partially fulfilled

48 38.10%
I view it as none of it is fulfilled.......

18 14.29%

 

[Evergreen48]

but Jesus did not unite the two nations of Israel yet ...

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

This is a spiritual gathering together, not a literal one.

Ezek. 37:21. "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22. And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:"

The literal nation of Israel was but a type or picture of the spiritual one which was to come. Though the children of Israel were literally dislodged from their literal homeland and scattered throughout other literal nations, their ingathering back into their promised land was a spiritual one. We should not be decieved by the gathering of some 'so called', Jews back into Israel in 1948. This was by the prearrangement of mere men, not by God.

 

[strangertoo]

This is a spiritual gathering together, not a literal one.

Ezek. 37:21. "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22. And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:"

The literal nation of Israel was but a type or picture of the spiritual one which was to come. Though the children of Israel were literally dislodged from their literal homeland and scattered throughout other literal nations, their ingathering back into their promised land was a spiritual one. We should not be decieved by the gathering of some 'so called', Jews back into Israel in 1948. This was by the prearrangement of mere men, not by God.

Whilst I would agree that the State of Israel is a disater for Israel waiting to happen , NOT run by saints, and taken by FORCE OF ARMS for control by the 'Zionist' money-masters who run most folks' lives in this earth AGAINST the express statement of God that it must not be taen that way, but God would GIVE it back to Israel eventually ... yet it cannot be said the Rev 7:3-8 is anything but literal and consisteet with the whle scripture in that literality despite that it disproves the mass religion of sinners...

Jude 1:14 PROVES the literality of the 12,000 saints from each of twelve of the fourteen named tribes of Israel , twelve literal tribes named by twelve of the literal sons of Jacob [excluding Dan and Ephraim, the latter possibly included with Joseph although the small (tiny) tribe of Joseph lived with manasseh, not with Ephraim in teh Holy Land ...

there being no symbolism explained in scripture relating to this passage , it is just a sad attempt at stealing the name of Jacob [Israel] to speak of 'spiritual Israel' other than as the remnant few saints of BOTH the 'Jews' [House of Judah] and the lost paganised House of Israel , living as gentiles, believing they are gentiles , but to whom alone Jesus was sent by God :-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If one believes in Jesus then one should clearly believe the ONLY reason he came which he gave [above]

then one surely would want to know who this House of Israel WERE before the larger second nation of Israel disappeared and merged into gentile nations worldwide ... BECAUSE God made promises and the new covenant with Israel , as it says EXPLICITLY "with those whose fathers broke the old covenant " , with BOTh the House of Judah [Jews'] and the much larger lost House of Israel [long ago paganised as gentiles, idol-worshippers unlike the Jews who clung to Judaism, but true descendants of Jacob's sons as recorded in scripture of God together with their future role]

so first one needs to understand what the Christ is , anointed king of Israel prophesied to bring back together BOTH Houses of the divided nation :-

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
well, they are still divided ...which is one of severa reasons that most Jews never accepted Jesus as their Messiah, the Christ, the anointed king of Israel [anointed by Mary as the true gospel would reveal wherever it is taught, not many places in this world - Mark 14:9 ]

so that is why Jesus sought the vanished House of Israel's descendants , God has forgiven them FOR HIS SAKE [of his promises, and showing the power of His prophecies] although their fathers broke the old covenant and He rejected them ... so read the new covenant of grace because it says with whom it is valid, the House of Judah and the House of Israel , descendants of those whose fathers broke the old covenant... Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8-12]

there is no question then , God gave Jacob the name 'Israel' and that is what Israel refers to , never anyone else but him and his descendants ...

the new covenant of grace is explicitly stated to be with the descendants of Jacob , but truly most of them are not Jews , most believe they are gentiles, their families having lived as gentiles amongst all gentile nation worldwide for millennia ...

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Note then this is NOT the Jews , who were scattered also, but later ... for the Jews clung to Judaism and rejected the idol-worship of the House of Israel, however badly they tried to serve God, not other gods ... still do...
and the Jews kept the name Israel but the House of Israel led by Ephraim ceased to be a single people, unlike the Jews :-

Isaiah 7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

why is God interested in this paganised idol-worshipping divided lost disappeared nation ?

simply the prophecy of the Christ who will reunite and rule Israel , king of kings and high priests when Israel are all kings and priests of God's new covenant on earth , but not on this earth :-

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

consider then who will be ruled and ministered to by Israel in the kingdom come in the righteous new earth ... there is only the billions of resurrected sinner gentiles of this earth , freed from sin by its wages, death, not by grace, all freed from hell in resurrection, to be judged by their loving [or not] works in the kingdom after death , freed from prior sin in this earth, 'wages' paid for that .... Rev 20:13

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

so the true gentiles need no grace because they will surely die in the wrath of God against all sinners, the end of this earth, but countless many be later saved by the ministry of Israel in the new earth kingdom come - Rev 7:9-10

whereas God requires the kngs and priests FIRST to build the kingdom come in the new earth and establish it a thousand years without any sinners or Satan around... ensuring its perfection, incorruptibility

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

so the scripture ALL fits together as one truth of God , as indeed it must do to be the word of God , the promises made in the beginning to the Hebrews and to Israel HAVE to come true, and the new covenant is UNCONDITIONAL to ensure that

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

there is no doubt whatsoever then to whom this promise is addressed , no way it can fail as the children [descendants] of Israel are accepted by God now, having previously had their fathers rejected for breqking the old covenant ... so READ the ACTUAL new covenant and understand every word of it from God ... then yu will see who are under grace and who are not, and why the gentiles do not even need grace because they are not saved in this life or in this world, but in the next :-

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

the word of God is whole from beginning to end, Alpha and Omega... well worth reading every word to understand it , but in my experience that does not come fully until spirit baptism, and that is only if one stops sinning, which obviously doesn't happen in the mass churches of sinners of the gentiles [mostly... but Judaism is just as apostate in some ways as 'Christianity of sinners' is after the Roman takeover and paganisation to suit sinners ]

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[strangertoo]

Thank you for your response.
Aren't we all sinners?

all have sinned , excepting Jesus :-
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

some few [Matt 7:14] stop sinnng so that god can baptise them with the Holy Spirit and they can begin perfecting their Love in trial, just as Jesus showed is the way ....

so the first step toward God for a sinner is to stop sinning so God can then hep by revealing all the covert sins in one's life and one can stop them too...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

it is only when one stops sinning that grace applies, because it is only remisssion of PAST sins, that is when one stops :-Rom 3: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-4/#post53043894
What the sign?

Matt 24:3.....and what? the Sign...
Mark 13:4.....and what? the Sign...
Luke 21:7.....and what? the Sign...

I view all of it fulfilled...................

well many signs in sequence in Matt 24 but the last one , three and a half years before Jesus' return , the final Antichrist [one in place of Christ, pope]

Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

this man of sin , son of perdition, is the manifestation of Satan as a man who becomes absolute ruler of this earth uniting all religions in worship of him as self-declared God and Christ - 2Thess 2:4 fooling the whole earth bar perhaps a couple of thousand saints still alive by then that he is indeed the returned Christ, God incarnate ... - Rev 13:3-4

 

[Evergreen48]

Whilst I would agree that the State of Israel is a disater for Israel waiting to happen , NOT run by saints, and taken by FORCE OF ARMS for control by the 'Zionist' money-masters who run most folks' lives in this earth AGAINST the express statement of God that it must not be taen that way, but God would GIVE it back to Israel eventually ... yet it cannot be said the Rev 7:3-8 is anything but literal and consisteet with the whle scripture in that literality despite that it disproves the mass religion of sinners...

Jude 1:14 PROVES the literality of the 12,000 saints from each of twelve of the fourteen named tribes of Israel , twelve literal tribes named by twelve of the literal sons of Jacob [excluding Dan and Ephraim, the latter possibly included with Joseph although the small (tiny) tribe of Joseph lived with manasseh, not with Ephraim in teh Holy Land ...

there being no symbolism explained in scripture relating to this passage , it is just a sad attempt at stealing the name of Jacob [Israel] to speak of 'spiritual Israel' other than as the remnant few saints of BOTH the 'Jews' [House of Judah] and the lost paganised House of Israel , living as gentiles, believing they are gentiles , but to whom alone Jesus was sent by God :-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If one believes in Jesus then one should clearly believe the ONLY reason he came which he gave [above]

then one surely would want to know who this House of Israel WERE before the larger second nation of Israel disappeared and merged into gentile nations worldwide ... BECAUSE God made promises and the new covenant with Israel , as it says EXPLICITLY "with those whose fathers broke the old covenant " , with BOTh the House of Judah [Jews'] and the much larger lost House of Israel [long ago paganised as gentiles, idol-worshippers unlike the Jews who clung to Judaism, but true descendants of Jacob's sons as recorded in scripture of God together with their future role]

so first one needs to understand what the Christ is , anointed king of Israel prophesied to bring back together BOTH Houses of the divided nation :-

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
well, they are still divided ...which is one of severa reasons that most Jews never accepted Jesus as their Messiah, the Christ, the anointed king of Israel [anointed by Mary as the true gospel would reveal wherever it is taught, not many places in this world - Mark 14:9 ]

so that is why Jesus sought the vanished House of Israel's descendants , God has forgiven them FOR HIS SAKE [of his promises, and showing the power of His prophecies] although their fathers broke the old covenant and He rejected them ... so read the new covenant of grace because it says with whom it is valid, the House of Judah and the House of Israel , descendants of those whose fathers broke the old covenant... Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8-12]

there is no question then , God gave Jacob the name 'Israel' and that is what Israel refers to , never anyone else but him and his descendants ...

the new covenant of grace is explicitly stated to be with the descendants of Jacob , but truly most of them are not Jews , most believe they are gentiles, their families having lived as gentiles amongst all gentile nation worldwide for millennia ...

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Note then this is NOT the Jews , who were scattered also, but later ... for the Jews clung to Judaism and rejected the idol-worship of the House of Israel, however badly they tried to serve God, not other gods ... still do...
and the Jews kept the name Israel but the House of Israel led by Ephraim ceased to be a single people, unlike the Jews :-

Isaiah 7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

why is God interested in this paganised idol-worshipping divided lost disappeared nation ?

simply the prophecy of the Christ who will reunite and rule Israel , king of kings and high priests when Israel are all kings and priests of God's new covenant on earth , but not on this earth :-

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

consider then who will be ruled and ministered to by Israel in the kingdom come in the righteous new earth ... there is only the billions of resurrected sinner gentiles of this earth , freed from sin by its wages, death, not by grace, all freed from hell in resurrection, to be judged by their loving [or not] works in the kingdom after death , freed from prior sin in this earth, 'wages' paid for that .... Rev 20:13

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

so the true gentiles need no grace because they will surely die in the wrath of God against all sinners, the end of this earth, but countless many be later saved by the ministry of Israel in the new earth kingdom come - Rev 7:9-10

whereas God requires the kngs and priests FIRST to build the kingdom come in the new earth and establish it a thousand years without any sinners or Satan around... ensuring its perfection, incorruptibility

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

so the scripture ALL fits together as one truth of God , as indeed it must do to be the word of God , the promises made in the beginning to the Hebrews and to Israel HAVE to come true, and the new covenant is UNCONDITIONAL to ensure that

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

there is no doubt whatsoever then to whom this promise is addressed , no way it can fail as the children [descendants] of Israel are accepted by God now, having previously had their fathers rejected for breqking the old covenant ... so READ the ACTUAL new covenant and understand every word of it from God ... then yu will see who are under grace and who are not, and why the gentiles do not even need grace because they are not saved in this life or in this world, but in the next :-

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

the word of God is whole from beginning to end, Alpha and Omega... well worth reading every word to understand it , but in my experience that does not come fully until spirit baptism, and that is only if one stops sinning, which obviously doesn't happen in the mass churches of sinners of the gentiles [mostly... but Judaism is just as apostate in some ways as 'Christianity of sinners' is after the Roman takeover and paganisation to suit sinners ]

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

We who believe are all children of God by faith in Jesus. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in the eyes of God. (Galations 3:26-29.)

Rom. 2: 28. "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

John 1:11 "He came unto his own and his own received him not. 12. But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on his name 13. Which were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of God."

It is not the literal Jewish nation whom God cherishes, for it has FULLY served his purpose. It is the spiritual Jewish nation that He loves.

 

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We who believe are all children of God by faith in Jesus.

Yes , but did you never realise that faith in Jesus means DOING what he says as Lord ?

Jesus made several COMMANDS and only very few saints do them in this world today ... infact one can estimate the number from what Jesus said, it is about two thousand alive at any one time, scattered worldwide doing what Jesus commanded all his followers to do , for instance :-

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

and here then is the irony of mass religion of sinners, not only do they continue being sinners which is violating Jesus' command to love folks instead, thus he is NOT their Lord no matter what they say, until the stop

but also they never even read the scripture to find out who this House of Israel are whom they are COMMANDED to go look for !

So how can one claim to believe in Jesus as Lord if one ignores what he says and commands ???? ... so do you not see that belief in Jesus is not just a matter of saying, but DOING what he says ? ... one needs to find out what he says [from saints - or from God when one stops sinning - so at least raed the scripture of saints and see what Jesus says before claiming you believe it ]

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile in the eyes of God. (Galations 3:26-29.)

true indeed, but what is your point, are you trying to say the scripture I quoted is not of God ???

Rom. 2: 28. "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

also true, but again what is your point, this does not in any way invalidate the rest of scripture which qualifies its meaning ... the word of God is ONE Truth , read it ALL as Jesus says :-

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 1:11 "He came unto his own and his own received him not. 12. But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on his name 13. Which were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of God."

Yes indeed, but READ the NEW covenant of grace , it is those who broke the old covenant whose descendants are now forgiven unconditionally :-

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

I do not think it could be written any more clearly, ONLY those whose fathers broke the old covenant with Israel are under grace , and whilst they WERE rejected they are accepted under the NEW covenant which is also stated to be with BOTH nations of Israel, with the now-gentile lost House of Israel scattered amongst and mergng with gentiles worldwide millennia ago , AND with the much smaller House of Judah , the 'Jews'

It is not the literal Jewish nation whom God cherishes, for it has FULLY served his purpose.

Well , very obviously not so, first learn what the Messiah of Israel is , the Christ, the anointed king of Israel who is prophesied to re-unite the House of Israel with the Jews :-

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Israel is still DIVIDED , many Jews do not even acknowledge the idol-worshippng House of Israel , but Jesus was sent by God as the Messiah, the king, to find their offspring amongst the gentiles :-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

so if you believe in Jesus, again, why do you not believe why he said he came ????

It is the spiritual Jewish nation that He loves.

It is indeed, but the spiritual Israel are the remnant of Israel's children , the FEW [matt 7:14, Jude 1:14, Rev 7:3-8] who accept what Jesus says , unlike you do yet, it would seem... and so DO what he says, STOP sinning and Love folks instead, and SEARCH for the lost House of Israel's descendants amongst the gentiles , because from them are the next generation of saints who keep the church of God's FEW saints alive down the age ...

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

having FAITH in what sinners preach in rich clothes in huge cathedrals as they ignore the poor dying worldwide [50,000 a day and rising simply, mostly LITTLE KIDS, starve in abject misery every day, and the churches of sinners who could do something do almost nothing ]

Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

as if one could not see the evil of sinners in smocks teaching in place of the Father, even calling themselves 'father' :-

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

why listen to what they SAY scripture menas when clearly simply reading what Jesus SAYS in scripture disproves that they are priests at all, because ALL priests of the NEW covenant are saints, not sinners...

so just read what Jesus says, COMMANDS , and forget what sinners teach, or suffer the fate of all sinners who follow sinners [or not]

for the FEW are saved in this earth who find the way of Love God specifies , and the MANY are destroyed [Matt 7:13-14]

that is not to say that the spirit of a man CANNOT be destroyed because it is of God :-

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

God indeed promises to return all souls [lives] in the new earth by means of that spirit of a man, and freed from sin as wages of sin is only death :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

so indeed countless many are saved later after resurrection of all the unjust , freed from sin in death , to be judged by WORKS in the loving new earth at judgement day ... Rev 7:9-10 ... but clearly all sinners are destroyed after Jesus return in this earth, indeed the erth and heavens are destroyed, so how could they not be...

Rev20:13 ... and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

note then that, paradoxically,contrary to doctrine of sinners , ALL sinners are released from hell and death , none then tormented endlessly, fortunately for those who believe it and still are sinners LOL?

so who administers the righteous new earth beside Jesus as high priest and king of kings, whoare the priests who ,minister to billions of sinner gentiles and rule them as kings, saving so very many of them to/by works of Love after death - Rev 7:9-10...

the answer Jesus give s in the preceding Rev 7:3-8 ... they are all saints of course , no sinners - Jude 1:14 and lierally just tens of thousands of them , menaing some two thousand only alive on average at any one time in THIS earth , no MASS religion then [nor of sinners]

Rev 7: 3-4 ... sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
and I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

... the tribes are named by genetic descent from the sons and one of the two adopted sons of Jacob ... so you see the new covenant is no lie , it is only that grace is with those whose fathers broke the old covenant AS IT SAYS ... why do you doubt it ? ... because sinners tell you to ?

one has then to CHOOSE , think hard because almost all men get it wrong and are destroyed in THIS earth... saved later , but not at Jesus return... so one must choose between FAITH in sinners in frocks in mass churches of DIVIDED sinners ... or whether to ACTUALLY believe what scripture says Jesus stands for and died for , what he COMMANDS, what he taught the saints ... because the stories are VERY DIFFERENT , one of God, the other of the master of all continuing sinners ...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

Jesus says that 'spiritual' Israel is not yet all Israel , just a remnant 144,000 who stop sinning, become saints under grace, but he does say they are all of the TRIBES of Israel, named as descendants of the named sons of Jacob [excluding 'Dan' and with 'Ephraim' presumably included in 'Joseph', his father]

so can anyone really say wth any meaning that they believe in Jesus if they don't even know what he said , what he is, even what the Christ/Messiah is ????

Consider then this promise of God to the descendants of Jacob, children of Israel , which has not come true yet, but Jesus began the work of doing so ... do you not see ? :-

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.