How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[BornOfWaterAndSpirit]

The part about temple destruction, fulfilled.

The part about the last days and the Second Coming, to be fulfilled.

 

[coraline]

100% fulfilled.
Even Jesus' supernatural return and the end of the old covenant age - the last day- great epoch change of eternal life, the "age to come" in scripture.

 

[Hentenza]

100% fulfilled.
Even Jesus' supernatural return and the end of the old covenant age - the last day- great epoch change of eternal life, the "age to come" in scripture.

lol When did Jesus come back?

 

[coraline]

lol When did Jesus come back?

During the Jewish/Roman war. He returned in the clouds over Israel for judgment.
That was the "sign of His coming" the apostles asked about in Matt24.

Jesus is here.

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. (Rev3:20)

 

[Evergreen48]

lol When did Jesus come back?

Matthew 24 :29 teaches that Jesus would make his presence known once again immediately after the tribulation that those in the holy city of Jerusalem who did not leave the city as Jesus instructed them to do, (Matt. 24:15) were subjected to at its destruction in 70 A. D. . At that time the Roman armies razed the city, and burnt the holy temple to the ground. Josephus, the Jewish historian who lived through this terrible siege wrote about the terrible atrocities which occurred at that time. It was not pretty, to say the least.

 

[Hentenza]

During the Jewish/Roman war. He returned in the clouds over Israel for judgment.
That was the "sign of His coming" the apostles asked about in Matt24.

Jesus is here.

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. (Rev3:20)

John did not write his book of Revelation until the last decade of the first century and there is a plethora of prophesy to be fulfilled at Jesus second coming which has yet to be fulfilled. Jesus has not returned yet.

Do you then think that He will be coming a third time?

 

[Hentenza]

Matthew 24 :29 teaches that Jesus would make his presence known once again IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation that those in the holy city of Jerusalem who did not leave the city as Jesus instructed them to do, (Matt. 24:15) were subjected to at its destruction in 70 A. D. . At that time the Roman armies razed the city, and burnt the holy temple to the ground. Josephus, the Jewish historian who lived through this terrible siege wrote about the terrible atrocities which occurred at that time. It was not pretty, to say the least.

Matt 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [r]the sky, and the powers of [s]the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [t]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


1. Tribulation is yet to come. See Revelation.
2. The moon still gives its light and the stars have not fallen.
3. The Son of Man has not yet appear in the sky for ALL to see.

4. The tribes of the Earth are yet to mourn (only the Jews mourned the loss of the temple).
5. No great trumpet from Heaven yet.
6. The angels have not gathered the elect from the four winds.



Josephus, and other Roman writers, wrote about the destruction of Jerusalem. They also wrote about the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 ad. NONE wrote about Jesus return in the clouds or any other event that is part of His second coming. Jesus has not yet returned.

 

[Soulgazer]

The "Gospel of Matthew" and "Revelation" represent two different religions, and I am careful not to confuse the two. "Matthew" was finished post apacolypse, but speaks of that apocalypse as a future event, a common ancient literary motif. This was used to elevate the central character, in this case Jesus, to the status of a seer or prophet, knowing things that were beyond the knowledge of the religious institution that was shown as the central antagonist.

 

[coraline]

Matt 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [r]the sky, and the powers of [s]the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [t]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


1. Tribulation is yet to come. See Revelation.
2. The moon still gives its light and the stars have not fallen.
3. The Son of Man has not yet appear in the sky for ALL to see.

4. The tribes of the Earth are yet to mourn (only the Jews mourned the loss of the temple).
5. No great trumpet from Heaven yet.
6. The angels have not gathered the elect from the four winds.



Josephus, and other Roman writers, wrote about the destruction of Jerusalem. They also wrote about the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 ad. NONE wrote about Jesus return in the clouds or any other event that is part of His second coming. Jesus has not yet returned.

All those prophecies were figuratively described. Just as prophesies occurred in the OT.

"stars" etc, in the prophetic are not the literal stars.

I have work for several hours today. I will be back hopefully this afternoon on here.

Yes, there were celestial signs above Judea of His coming which both the Roman and Jewish historians recorded. However, we didn't have a believer in Christ in the city to make the connection.
The Bar Kokhba rebellion was doomed to failure from the beginning, because Christ's reign had already been established for the aeons, 65 years earlier, at the Consummation of the Eschaton (in 70). Bar Kokhba and his men were trapped under the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ from the very day they were conceived.

Their fruitless rebellion belongs in the same category as the incident that took place after Emperor Julian (361 - 363) actually attempted to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem for the express purpose of discrediting Jesus' prophecy that not one stone of the Temple would be left standing on another. When Julian's plan was announced, Jews from all over came to Judea with funds to contribute to the project. To their consternation, the work was abruptly terminated.

The Pagan historian Ammianus Marcellinus related what happened:

"[Julian] planned at vast cost to restore the once splendid Temple at Jerusalem. ....He had entrusted the speedy performance of this work to Alypius of Antioch... But though this Alypius pushed the work on with vigor, aided by the governor of the province, terrible balls of fire kept bursting forth near the foundations of the Temple and made the place inaccessible to the workmen, some of whom were burned to death; and since in this way the element persistently repelled them, the enterprise halted" (Ammianus Marcellinus: XXIII; 1; 1-3)

The rebels under Bar Kokhba, like Julian, were wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked, and simply did not know it (Rev. 3:17). In their endevours to restore the old things that God Himself had brought to an eternal end, they were sealing their fate as those who were in abject, spiritual destitution, confirming that they had never been clothed with God's true, eternal Temple that had come down from Heaven.

The prophecy of Zech. 14:16-19 specifically applies to such men and their followers:

"Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them. And if the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the Lord smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths" (Zech. 14:16-19)

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[Hentenza]

All those prophecies were figuratively described. Just as prophesies occurred in the OT.

This would be inconsistent with fulfilled prophesy since you probably accept fulfilled prophesy as valid but seem to allegorize unfulfilled prophesy. Prophesies occurred literally in the OT. Let me remind you that God does not lie.

"stars" etc, in the prophetic are not the literal stars.

Supposition. Secondly, the moon still has its light and "every eye" has not seen Him (Rev. 1:7).

I have work for several hours today. I will be back hopefully this afternoon on here.

No problem.

Yes, there were celestial signs above Judea of His coming which both the Roman and Jewish historians recorded. However, we didn't have a believer in Christ in the city to make the connection.

The Bar Kokhba rebellion was doomed to failure from the beginning, because Christ's reign had already been established for the aeons, 65 years earlier, at the Consummation of the Eschaton (in 70). Bar Kokhba and his men were trapped under the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ from the very day they were conceived.

Their fruitless rebellion belongs in the same category as the incident that took place after Emperor Julian (361 - 363) actually attempted to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem for the express purpose of discrediting Jesus' prophecy that not one stone of the Temple would be left standing on another. When Julian's plan was announced, Jews from all over came to Judea with funds to contribute to the project. To their consternation, the work was abruptly terminated.

The Pagan historian Ammianus Marcellinus related what happened:

"[Julian] planned at vast cost to restore the once splendid Temple at Jerusalem. ....He had entrusted the speedy performance of this work to Alypius of Antioch... But though this Alypius pushed the work on with vigor, aided by the governor of the province, terrible balls of fire kept bursting forth near the foundations of the Temple and made the place inaccessible to the workmen, some of whom were burned to death; and since in this way the element persistently repelled them, the enterprise halted" (Ammianus Marcellinus: XXIII; 1; 1-3)

The rebels under Bar Kokhba, like Julian, were wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked, and simply did not know it (Rev. 3:17). In their endevours to restore the old things that God Himself had brought to an eternal end, they were sealing their fate as those who were in abject, spiritual destitution, confirming that they had never been clothed with God's true, eternal Temple that had come down from Heaven.

The prophecy of Zech. 14:16-19 specifically applies to such men and their followers:

"Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them. And if the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the Lord smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths" (Zech. 14:16-19)

Firsst, when copying and pasting from other sites it is required that you provide the link, otherwise it is plagiarism. The site where you copied and pasted this portion of your answer is: Questions, Questions, Questions

Secondly, the quote for Marcellinus is wrongly attributed. Marcellinus wrote in the 4th century and Alypius of Antioch also lived in the 4th century. Alypius was commissioned by emperor Julian in 363 ad to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as a means to stifle the continual growth of Christianity but the project was abandoned when Julian was killed that same year.

Third, Rev. 3:17 was written to the Church of Laodicea not to the church of Jerusalem.

Fourth, Zechariah 14 poses no association to the Bar Kokhba rebellion. In fact, if the writers of the preterist website that you used want to use Zechariah 14 then they have to content with verse 9 which they happily omitted.

9 And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.


1. The Lord is not yet king over all the Earth.

2. In that day- is a common phrase throughout scripture referring to the end days.
3. The Lord is not yet he only one and His name is not yet the only one is all of the Earth.

 

[Hentenza]

The "Gospel of Matthew" and "Revelation" represent two different religions, and I am careful not to confuse the two. "Matthew" was finished post apacolypse, but speaks of that apocalypse as a future event, a common ancient literary motif. This was used to elevate the central character, in this case Jesus, to the status of a seer or prophet, knowing things that were beyond the knowledge of the religious institution that was shown as the central antagonist.

Both the Gospel of Matthew and Revelation are written by apostles and are of the same religion. The writing dates are approximately 50 ad for Matthew and 95 as for Revelation.

 

[coraline]

This would be inconsistent with fulfilled prophesy since you probably accept fulfilled prophesy as valid but seem to allegorize unfulfilled prophesy. Prophesies occurred literally in the OT. Let me remind you that God does not lie.



Supposition. Secondly, the moon still has its light and "every eye" has not seen Him (Rev. 1:7).



No problem.






Firsst, when copying and pasting from other sites it is required that you provide the link, otherwise it is plagiarism. The site where you copied and pasted this portion of your answer is: Questions, Questions, Questions

Secondly, the quote for Marcellinus is wrongly attributed. Marcellinus wrote in the 4th century and Alypius of Antioch also lived in the 4th century. Alypius was commissioned by emperor Julian in 363 ad to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as a means to stifle the continual growth of Christianity but the project was abandoned when Julian was killed that same year.

Third, Rev. 3:17 was written to the Church of Laodicea not to the church of Jerusalem.

Fourth, Zechariah 14 poses no association to the Bar Kokhba rebellion. In fact, if the writers of the preterist website that you used want to use Zechariah 14 then they have to content with verse 9 which they happily omitted.

9 And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.


1. The Lord is not yet king over all the Earth.

2. In that day- is a common phrase throughout scripture referring to the end days.
3. The Lord is not yet he only one and His name is not yet the only one is all of the Earth.

I can see your mind is made up when one offers hostile reactions about technical "plagiarisms" that I only quoted in bold. Well excuse moi!
But that's a weak defense, if any at all! Too obvious that the facts of my post won't be debated, only distracting arguments about irrelevant issues.

Jesus will never return to earth to be a king on an earthly throne. He would have done that in his first advent, but he didn't (Jn,6:15)

His kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. His "enemies" were from natural Israel who denied their Messiah. They were the synagogue of Satan.

The new heaven and earth came, just as Peter stated. The New Jerusalem (church universal) is where the righteous in Christ dwell.

And the Jerusalem above is spiritual and the "mother of us all."

There's nothing else Jesus needs to do in prophecy.

Jesus won't come to destroy any more "enemies"

Judgment is set if we die in our sins.
But praise the Lord that Christ became sin for those who believe!

I say preach the Good News of salvation in Christ.

After all, whose waiting for a relationship with Him?

I am satisfied in my salvation. This gentile is full and complete in Him.

I think all Christians should be.

 

[Hentenza]

I can see your mind is made up when one offers hostile reactions about technical "plagiarisms" that I only quoted in bold. Well excuse moi!

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I merely pointed out that not citing your sources is plagiarism. You can do with the information as you please and it was not intended to chastise you but to merely instruct.

But that's a weak defense, if any at all! Too obvious that the facts of my post won't be debated, only distracting arguments about irrelevant issues.

I addressed your post including your premise and the copy and paste. You are welcomed to reply to it or not. Since you have to resort to cut and pastes from questions answered by others, it is clear that you don't have knowledge of the topic.

Jesus will never return to earth to be a king on an earthly throne. He would have done that in his first advent, but he didn't (Jn,6:15)

Lets look at John 6:15.
15 So Jesus, perceiving that they were [f]intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone.

1. No one is made king by force. Either Jesus is to be the king or He is not.
2. Jesus was still in His ministry and had not yet died for our sins. You do believe that Jesus died for our sins, don't you?
3. And Jesus said in Matthew 19:28 that: "28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on [k]His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." This is yet to happen.

His kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. His "enemies" were from natural Israel who denied their Messiah. They were the synagogue of Satan.

Nothing spiritual about the kingdom of God. You will have to prove this biblically.

The new heaven and earth came, just as Peter stated.

Same old earth is still here.

The New Jerusalem (church universal) is where the righteous in Christ dwell.

lol Replacement theology bunk. Neither the old nor the new Jerusalem is the church.

And the Jerusalem above is spiritual and the "mother of us all."

Prove it.

There's nothing else Jesus needs to do in prophecy.

There is plenty of unfulfilled prophesy. Just because you deny it does not make it so. Jesus said to Israel in Matt. 23:39: "you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” This is yet to happen.

Jesus won't come to destroy any more "enemies"

The last enemy that Jesus destroys is death. Plenty of death still around.

Judgment is set if we die in our sins.

Yep. But there will be the resurrections of the believer and the wicked. You do want to be resurrected, don't you?

But praise the Lord that Christ became sin for those who believe!

I say preach the Good News of salvation in Christ.

After all, whose waiting for a relationship with Him?

I am satisfied in my salvation. This gentile is full and complete in Him.

I think all Christians should be.

No argument from me here except that if you don't have a relationship with Him now then you are merely attempting to save yourself.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thanks to all who have taken the time to post and/or vote on this thread......

Update on poll results 05/14/13

View Poll Results: Amount of Matt 24 fulfilled

I view all of it fulfilled

34 23.29%

I view it as mostly/partially fulfilled

58 39.73%

I view it as none of it is fulfilled

21 14.38%

I don't really know

15 10.27%

Other [please explain]

18 12.33%




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[Evergreen48]

Matt 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [r]the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [t]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


1. Tribulation is yet to come. See Revelation.

The book of Revelation is all about the things which led up to the end of, or the consummation of, the age. It was written in prophetic language, and sent primarily to the 7 churches which were in Asia Minor.

Rev. 1:1. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2. Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Two thousand years plus have passed since the Revelation was shown to John. Did God lie when he said that the time was then at hand? And if you say that "one day is as a thousand years with God", then next, you should multiply 365 X 2013 and see how many thousands of days; each day representing a thousand years, you come up with. This should give you the approximate year in which Jesus shall return. No?

I can't imagine why it would have been important for those 7 churches which were then in Asia Minor, which are not there now, and have not been there for probably at least 1700 years, to know of this Revelation, unless it was something that was about to come to pass in their day and in their era.

2. The moon still gives its light and the stars have not fallen.

Jesus was speaking in prophetic language when he talked about the moon not giving its light and the stars falling from heaven.

In the prophetic language, great disturbances on earth such as wars, the overtaking of one government by another, etc. are often represented under the idea of changes in the heavens. For instance the fall of Babylon was represented by the stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon being darkened. (Isa. 13:9-10) The destruction of Egypt was represented by the the sun being covered with a cloud, and the moon withholding her light. (Ezek. 32:7-8.)

3. The Son of Man has not yet appear in the sky for ALL to see.

4. The tribes of the Earth are yet to mourn (only the Jews mourned the loss of the temple).

As they were the only ones affected by the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., Matthew 24 and Revelation 1:7 pertains ONLY to the Jews, not to everyone in whole world. Moreover, the Jews were the only peoples on the face of the earth that were ever Biblically spoken of as being divided into "tribes".

5. No great trumpet from Heaven yet.

6. The angels have not gathered the elect from the four winds.

For approximately 40 years between the time of Jesus' ascension and time of the destruction of Jerusalem the apostles, who were the aggelos angels -messengers went about heralding the gospel throughout the Roman empire which was the whole known world at that time, thus "gathering together his elect from the "four winds" or "from one end of the earth to the other". They were together with one another in spirit, and not bodily. Example of how this could be so is in 1Cor. 5:3. "For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, . . . ."

The sounding of the great trumpet is figurative speech.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Josephus, and other Roman writers, wrote about the destruction of Jerusalem. They also wrote about the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 ad. NONE wrote about Jesus return in the clouds or any other event that is part of His second coming. Jesus has not yet returned.

Josephus, though unaware that he was doing so, certainly did write about events which were a part of what you are calling his 'second coming".

Both the Gospel of Matthew and Revelation are written by apostles and are of the same religion.

No one knows whether or not the "John" to whom these things were revealed was John the apostle or another John of the era. "John" ( Yochanan - Ióannés - ) was a common name for Hebrew men at that time. As for myself I think it was probably the apostle John who recieved the revelation, but I don't know that for sure, and neither does anyone else.

The writing dates are approximately 50 ad for Matthew and 95 as for Revelation.

That may be true of the book which is called Matthew, but not true for the book which is called Revelation. We know that it was written prior to the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. .


Revelation 11:1. "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."
We know that the "treading of the holy city under foot by the Gentiles was undoubtedly fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the Romans (Gentiles) did just that. Actually the siege began in 66 A.D. . The siege ended in 70 A.D. with the sacking of the city and the destruction of its holy Temple.

 

[coraline]

Excellent summary Evergreen48!

And I would just like to add that Preterists ascribe to "remnant theology" and not "replacement theology."

God always had a remnant for His name sake. And there was a remnant in Israel's last days that accepted their Messiah.
God blinded the rest of Israel.
Rom.11,
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?[a] 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Soulgazer]

Both the Gospel of Matthew and Revelation are written by apostles and are of the same religion. The writing dates are approximately 50 ad for Matthew and 95 as for Revelation.

You are misinformed. "Matthew" is based on Mark(65-80AD), and was not finished until after the fall of Jerusalem, when it took on the form more or less that we are familiar with. Though they both mention Jesus, they represent two seperate post-aboriginal Christian movements.

Paul's letters had become so important that the literary form was imitated even by an apocalyptic writer.

Neither were written by Apostles. Apocalyptic Messianics were concerned about avenging the loss of their homeland, and the sect actively sought out visions. The Gospel of Matthew originated in Antioch, Paul's old stomping ground, and represents an evolution of Paul and James' teaching, attempting to blend works and faith into one Gospel.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That may be true of the book which is called Matthew, but not true for the book which is called Revelation. We know that it was written prior to the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.

Revelation 11:1. "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

We know that the "treading of the holy city under foot by the Gentiles was undoubtedly fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the Romans (Gentiles) did just that.
Actually the siege began in 66 A.D. .
The siege ended in 70 A.D. with the sacking of the city and the destruction of its holy Temple.

Josephus gives a fairly good chronological commentary on that destruction

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!

The Destruction Of
JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible
PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF
CHRISTIANITY:

Nero, having been informed of the defeat of Cestius, immediately appointed Vespasian, a man of tried valour, to prosecute the war against the Jews, who, assisted by his son Titus, soon collected at Ptolemais an. army of sixty thousand men. From hence, in the spring of 67 A. D. he marched into Judea, every where spreading the most cruel havoc and devastation.....................................

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah!......................

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ;...................

This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"
After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations




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[LittleLambofJesus]

Just for info, this thread was moved from the GT board to here, for the reason stated by Staff below:

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HUH?

I didn't think those that believe Matt 24 as being fulfilled were considered "full preterists".
I thought only those that viewed ALL of Revelation fulfilled were considered full preterists. Can you please explain? Thanks

I am protesting this thread being moved to the unorthodox board

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Post taken from another thread concerning Matt 24:31:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7730892/#post63069921

Matthew 24:30 will occur at the same time as the never-fulfilled Matthew 24:29 and Matthew 24:31.

Mat. 24:31 was fulfilled in 325 AD when St. Constantine sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea.

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