How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[LittleLambofJesus]

I voted fulfilled.

Hebrews 10:27 - 31

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the For it is another matter to sin through the frailty of man's nature, and another thing to proclaim war on God as on an enemy. adversaries.
28 If the breach of the law of Moses was punished by death, how much more worthy of death is it to fall away from Christ? He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment suppose ye shall he be worthy, which treadeth under foot the Son of God, and counteth the blood of the Testament as an unholy thing, wherewith he was sanctified, and doeth despite the Spirit of grace?
30 The reason of all these things is, because God is a revenger of those who despise him: otherwise he could not rightly govern his Church. Now there is nothing more horrible then the wrath of the living God. For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall Rule or govern. judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Thank you for your vote and input stelow
Be sure to check out this thread on Josephus and the Olivet Discourse. I think you will find it quite fascinating.
God bless

http://www.christianforums.com/t7593926/
Josephus's sights and signs 1st century...did these really occur?

Matthew 24:1 And coming-out, the Jesus, He went from the Temple, and toward-came the disciples of Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple
2 and Jesus is saying to them "Not ye see all these? Amen I am saying to ye, not no be being left here stone upon stone which not shall be being thrown down"
[Mark 21:5/Luke 19:41/Revelation 14:8]

Luke 19:41 And as He nears, beholding the City and He laments on Her,
44 And they shall be leveling thee and thy offspring in thee, and not they shall be leaving stone upon stone in thee,......
[Revelation 14:8]

Reve 14:8 And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

 

[he-man]

Thank you for your vote and input stelow
Be sure to check out this thread on Josephus and the Olivet Discourse.

Originally Posted by stelow

Hebrews 10:27 - 31[/quote]
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Sorry dude but ....
Hab 2:10 Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy soul.

Heb 10:27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
Originally Posted by stelow

30 The reason of all these things is, because God is a revenger of those who despise him: otherwise he could not rightly govern his Church. Now there is nothing more horrible then the wrath of the living God. For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall Rule or govern. judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.[/quote]
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Yes, but only if you are not among the Saints!

Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Heb 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you might receive what is promised.

37 For, "Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay;

Rom 4:21 And that being fully persuaded, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh:[Jehovah to see to it] as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

28:15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

Gen 35:12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sorry dude but ....

Sorry dude but ....

Sorry dude, that does not compute

 

[brinny]

Sorry dude, that does not compute

hahahahaaaa!

 

[stelow]

Originally Posted by stelow

Hebrews 10:27 - 31
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Sorry dude but ....
Hab 2:10 Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy soul.

Heb 10:27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
Originally Posted by stelow

30 The reason of all these things is, because God is a revenger of those who despise him: otherwise he could not rightly govern his Church. Now there is nothing more horrible then the wrath of the living God. For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall Rule or govern. judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.​

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Yes, but only if you are not among the Saints!

[/quote]

Sorry dude, that does not compute

hahahahaaaa!

It depends what you mean by "among the saints", if you mean the Jews of Israel that not only rejected the Messiah, but demanded He be crucified, then I would say, they are exactly who Paul's talking about.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It depends what you mean by "among the saints", if you mean the Jews of Israel that not only rejected the Messiah, but demanded He be crucified, then I would say, they are exactly who Paul's talking about.

More specifically, these Jewish rulers and high Priests. Anyone seen any of their kind around lately in Jerusalem?

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the Seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees
33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

John 19:15 Those yet Cry-out "take-away! take-away! crucify! Him".
Pilate is saying to them "the King of ye I shall be crucifying?"
Answered the Chief-priests "not we are having a King except Caesar"

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel bury them so that to purify/cleanse the Land seven months.
And all of people of the Land bury them.

You may be interested in this commentary on that covenantle parable in Luke 16

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

{Luke 16:27}
.......While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage.

Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

 

[he-man]

More specifically, these Jewish rulers and high Priests. Anyone seen any of their kind around lately in Jerusalem?

Originally Posted by stelow

30 The reason of all these things is, because God is a revenger of those who despise him: otherwise he could not rightly govern his Church. Now there is nothing more horrible then the wrath of the living God. For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall Rule or govern. judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.[/quote] Fearful only if you are you are not tested or not among the Saints!
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2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless you are not tested.

Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Heb 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you might receive what is promised.

 

[Timothew]

The question I want to ask those Christian here on GT is how much of Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse do you view a fulfilled.

I hope I gave the right options and I am really hoping to get some input on others here on it. Thank you and God bless

Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [Daniel 12/Revelation 15:1]

My opinion is that most of this is fulfilled, however Christ has not returned yet, so that part has not been fulfilled. He will return (and raise the dead) on the last day, according to John 6, verses 39, 40, 44, and 54.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My opinion is that most of this is fulfilled, however Christ has not returned yet, so that part has not been fulfilled. He will return (and raise the dead) on the last day, according to John 6, verses 39, 40, 44, and 54.

Thank you for your view and vote.
Just out of curiosity, can you show me and others here which part of Matt 24 is showing that? Thanks

 

[Timothew]

Thank you for your view and vote.
Just out of curiosity, can you show me and others here which part of Matt 24 is showing that? Thanks

We know that the end is the "last day", eschate emera.
They ask, what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?
We know that He will raise the dead on the last day.

Verse 14, and then the end will come.
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Verse 51, He will cut him to pieces. You know that I believe that the destruction of the wicked will occur on the day of judgment, this is the last day, which is the day that Christ returns. Chapter 25 continues on with the same theme, 10 virgins, The Talents and the Sheep and the Goats.

This is all talking about judgment day.

 

[A New Dawn]

I believe that some of Matthew 24 is fulfilled, but not all of it, nor do I believe Daniel to be fulfilled.

I, personally, do not understand how preterists believe that this (the world we are living in, today) can be the world to come. Or do preterists have a different chronology of what happens when all is fulfilled?

 

[he-man]

Thank you for your view and vote.
Just out of curiosity, can you show me and others here which part of Matt 24 is showing that? Thanks

Sure, but first see
I Corinthians 2:10: "But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God."

What was the main purpose of Christ?

Hebrews 9:15-17 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

(16) For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

» And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23)

» And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. (Matthew 9:35)

» Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. repent, and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15)

» [Jesus] said to them, "I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent." (Luke 4:43)

» Now it came to pass, afterward, that [Jesus] went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings [gospel] of the kingdom of God. (Luke 8:1)

» The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the Kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. (Luke 16:16-17)

» And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)
Revelation 11:1-5
(1) Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
(2) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles.
And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
(3) And I will give to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
(4) These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
(5) And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies.
And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I believe that some of Matthew 24 is fulfilled, but not all of it, nor do I believe Daniel to be fulfilled.

I, personally, do not understand how preterists believe that this (the world we are living in, today) can be the world to come. Or do preterists have a different chronology of what happens when all is fulfilled?

Thank you for posting AND and you bring up some good points which I probably don't have the answers for.

I would also like to ask, that if the Amills view themselves in the Millenium now, how do they see the 7 trumpets and the Trumpet in 1 Thess 4:16 already to have happened?

I find it interesting that "trumpet/trumpets" is only mentioned in the Matthew 24 of the Gospels and 6 times in Revelation.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G4536 matches the Greek &#963;&#8049;&#955;&#960;&#953;&#947;&#958; (salpigx), which occurs 11 times in 11 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
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Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His Messengers with a Trumpet/salpiggoV <4536> sound, great, and they shall be together-gathering the outcalled-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 That Himself, the Lord, in a shout-of-command, in voice of chief-messenger, and in a Trumpet of God, shall be descending from heaven, and the dead-ones in Christ shall be Ressurecting/ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) first,

Revelation 8:6 And the seven Messengers having the seven Trumpets make ready themselves, that they should be trumpeting/salpizein <4537> (5721)
[Joshua 6:4/Matt 24:31]

 

[he-man]

Thank you for posting AND and you bring up some good points which I probably don't have the answers for.

I would also like to ask, that if the Amills view themselves in the Millenium now, how do they see the 7 trumpets and the Trumpet in 1 Thess 4:16 already to have happened?

I find it interesting that "trumpet/trumpets" is only mentioned in the Matthew 24 of the Gospels and 6 times in Revelation.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G4536 matches the Greek &#963;&#8049;&#955;&#960;&#953;&#947;&#958; (salpigx), which occurs 11 times in 11 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
&#12288;
Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His Messengers with a Trumpet/salpiggoV <4536> sound, great, and they shall be together-gathering the outcalled-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 That Himself, the Lord, in a shout-of-command, in voice of chief-messenger, and in a Trumpet of God, shall be descending from heaven, and the dead-ones in Christ shall be Ressurecting/ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) first,

Revelation 8:6 And the seven Messengers having the seven Trumpets make ready themselves, that they should be trumpeting/salpizein <4537> (5721)
[Joshua 6:4/Matt 24:31]

Luk 23:42 And he said: Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.

 

[Evergreen48]

I believe that some of Matthew 24 is fulfilled, but not all of it, nor do I believe Daniel to be fulfilled.

I, personally, do not understand how preterists believe that this (the world we are living in, today) can be the world to come. Or do preterists have a different chronology of what happens when all is fulfilled?

Because I came to the preterist view on my own without any kind of indoctrination (for all I know I may not even be an 'orthodox' preterist), I can't speak for all preterists, but as just one preterist in the mix, I will say that I do not believe that the world we are living in today is the world to come, as I do not believe there will be any more worlds after this present one. But I do believe that the age (aión ) that we live in today, is the age ( aión) which began at the end of the old covenant law age (aión in 70 A.D. when Zion (Jerusalem) was razed, thereby destroying the last remaining vestige of the old covenant law system.

As the disciples of our Lord believed him to be the Son of God; their promised Messiah, it would not make any sense for them to ask of him "what would be the sign of his coming" since he was already there walking among them. However, it would make sense if they inquired as to what would be the sign of his presense (parousia ) in the matters that would be connected to the prediction of the destruction of the holy temple.

According to John Lightfoot (1602-1675), and other accomplished rabbinical scholars of this early era, the doctrine of the Jews concerning the coming of their Messiah was as follows:

"1. That at that time there shall be a resurrection of the just: The Messias shall raise up those that sleep in the dust.

2. Then shall follow the desolation of this world: This world shall be wasted a thousand years. Not that they imagined that a chaos, or confusion of all things, should last the thousand years; but that this world should end and a new one be introduced in that thousand years.

3. After which eternity should succeed."

This he gleaned from such as what is written in the Babylonian Sanhedrin:

"The tradition of the school of Elias: The righteous, whom the Holy Blessed God will raise up from the dead, shall not return again to their dust; as it is said, 'Whosoever shall be left in Zion and remain in Jerusalem shall be called holy, every one being written in the book of life.' As the Holy (God) liveth for ever, so they also shall live for ever. But if it be objected, What shall the righteous do in those years in which the Holy God will renew his world, as it is said, 'The Lord only shall be exalted in that day?' the answer is, That God will give them wings like an eagle, and they shall swim (or float) upon the face of the waters." Where the Gloss says thus; "The righteous, whom the Lord shall raise from the dead in the days of the Messiah, when they are restored to life, shall not again return to their dust, neither in the days of the Messiah, nor in the following age: but their flesh shall remain upon them till they return and live to eternity. And in those years, when God shall renew his world (or age), this world shall be wasted for a thousand years; were, then, shall those righteous men be in those years, when they shall not be buried in the earth?" To this you may also lay that very common phrase, the world to come; whereby is signified the days of the Messiah: [...] "If he shall obtain (the favour) to see the world to come, that is, the exaltation of Israel," namely, in the days of Messiah. "The Holy Blessed God saith to Israel, In this world you are afraid of transgressions; but in the world to come, when there shall be no evil affection, you shall be concerned only for the good which is laid up for you; as it is said, 'After this the children of Israel shall return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king,'" &c.; which clearly relate to the time of the Messiah. Again, "Saith the Holy Blessed God to Israel, 'In this world, because my messengers (sent to spy out the land) were flesh and blood, I decreed that they should not enter into the land: but in the world to come, I suddenly send to you my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before my face.'"

 

[he-man]

But I do believe that the age (aión ) that we live in today, is the age ( aión) which began at the end of the old covenant law age (aión in 70 A.D. when Zion (Jerusalem) was razed, thereby destroying the last remaining vestige of the old covenant law system.

Hebrews 10:1-4 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. (3) But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

As the disciples of our Lord believed him to be the Son of God; their promised Messiah, it would not make any sense for them to ask of him "what would be the sign of his coming" since he was already there walking among them.

Exactly, since he was already there walking among them, that is why they asked when Christ would return the second time..

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

According to John Lightfoot (1602-1675), and other accomplished rabbinical scholars of this early era, the doctrine of the Jews concerning the coming of their Messiah was as follows:

"1. That at that time there shall be a resurrection of the just: The Messias shall raise up those that sleep in the dust. 2. Then shall follow the desolation of this world: but that this world should end and a new one be introduced in that thousand years.
3. After which eternity should succeed."

the answer is, That God will give them wings like an eagle, in the days of Messiah.

Mat 24:27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

" but in the world to come, I suddenly send to you my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before my face.'"

Luk 12:46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not forhim,and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?


43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Poll results as of 9/28/11 8:02 am
The Partial Preterists have a hugh lead so far....now we have to sway the 11 that voted "don't know" to the Preterist side

I view all of it fulfilled

26 24.07%
I view it as mostly/partially fulfilled

43 39.81%
I view it as none of it is fulfilled

14 12.96%
I don't really know

11 10.19%
Other [please explain]

14 12.96%

 

[A New Dawn]

Because I came to the preterist view on my own without any kind of indoctrination (for all I know I may not even be an 'orthodox' preterist), I can't speak for all preterists, but as just one preterist in the mix, I will say that I do not believe that the world we are living in today is the world to come, as I do not believe there will be any more worlds after this present one. But I do believe that the age (aión ) that we live in today, is the age ( aión) which began at the end of the old covenant law age (aión in 70 A.D. when Zion (Jerusalem) was razed, thereby destroying the last remaining vestige of the old covenant law system.

As the disciples of our Lord believed him to be the Son of God; their promised Messiah, it would not make any sense for them to ask of him "what would be the sign of his coming" since he was already there walking among them. However, it would make sense if they inquired as to what would be the sign of his presense (parousia ) in the matters that would be connected to the prediction of the destruction of the holy temple.

According to John Lightfoot (1602-1675), and other accomplished rabbinical scholars of this early era, the doctrine of the Jews concerning the coming of their Messiah was as follows:

"1. That at that time there shall be a resurrection of the just: The Messias shall raise up those that sleep in the dust.

2. Then shall follow the desolation of this world: This world shall be wasted a thousand years. Not that they imagined that a chaos, or confusion of all things, should last the thousand years; but that this world should end and a new one be introduced in that thousand years.

3. After which eternity should succeed."

This he gleaned from such as what is written in the Babylonian Sanhedrin:

"The tradition of the school of Elias: The righteous, whom the Holy Blessed God will raise up from the dead, shall not return again to their dust; as it is said, 'Whosoever shall be left in Zion and remain in Jerusalem shall be called holy, every one being written in the book of life.' As the Holy (God) liveth for ever, so they also shall live for ever. But if it be objected, What shall the righteous do in those years in which the Holy God will renew his world, as it is said, 'The Lord only shall be exalted in that day?' the answer is, That God will give them wings like an eagle, and they shall swim (or float) upon the face of the waters." Where the Gloss says thus; "The righteous, whom the Lord shall raise from the dead in the days of the Messiah, when they are restored to life, shall not again return to their dust, neither in the days of the Messiah, nor in the following age: but their flesh shall remain upon them till they return and live to eternity. And in those years, when God shall renew his world (or age), this world shall be wasted for a thousand years; were, then, shall those righteous men be in those years, when they shall not be buried in the earth?" To this you may also lay that very common phrase, the world to come; whereby is signified the days of the Messiah: [...] "If he shall obtain (the favour) to see the world to come, that is, the exaltation of Israel," namely, in the days of Messiah. "The Holy Blessed God saith to Israel, In this world you are afraid of transgressions; but in the world to come, when there shall be no evil affection, you shall be concerned only for the good which is laid up for you; as it is said, 'After this the children of Israel shall return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king,'" &c.; which clearly relate to the time of the Messiah. Again, "Saith the Holy Blessed God to Israel, 'In this world, because my messengers (sent to spy out the land) were flesh and blood, I decreed that they should not enter into the land: but in the world to come, I suddenly send to you my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before my face.'"

As a non-preterist, I believe that we live in the church age (the time from the death and resurrection of Christ thru the present and till the time Christ returns).

As a preterist, do you believe that all that you have listed above has happened? That there was a resurrection of the just and that the world has lived in desolation for 1000 years (which would have ended just over 1000 years ago), and that this is now eternity? (If I have somehow misinterpreted what you said, could you re-explain it for me? Thanks.)

 

[Evergreen48]

As a non-preterist, I believe that we live in the church age (the time from the death and resurrection of Christ thru the present and till the time Christ returns).

As a preterist, do you believe that all that you have listed above has happened? That there was a resurrection of the just and that the world has lived in desolation for 1000 years (which would have ended just over 1000 years ago), and that this is now eternity? (If I have somehow misinterpreted what you said, could you re-explain it for me? Thanks.)

No. I posted that information to show what Jesus' disciples would have believed concerning the Messiah that had been promised them, so to lend credence to my earlier remark that, "As the disciples of our Lord believed him to be the Son of God; their promised Messiah, it would not make any sense for them to ask of him "what would be the sign of his coming" since he was already there walking among them. However, it would make sense if they inquired as to what would be the sign of his presense (parousia ) in the matters that would be connected to the prediction of the destruction of the holy temple." . It is clear that they did not believe that their Messiah would come, then leave, and then come again. I am sorry you misunderstood in thinking that this was what I also believed.

However, I do believe that the resurrection as discussed by the apostle Paul in 1 Cor. 15:50-57 has occurred.

1 Cor. 15:54. "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

In the instant that God was satisfied that the 'strength of sin'; which was the old covenant law that brought only death, had been abolished, then was death abolished, releasing those who had died under that law from death unto immortality. And, at the same time those who were alive were made different in that they also put on immortality.(Immortality is not something that can be seen with the eyes or touched by the hands.)

John 11: 25. "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

 

[A New Dawn]

No. I posted that information to show what Jesus' disciples would have believed concerning the Messiah that had been promised them, so to lend credence to my earlier remark that, "As the disciples of our Lord believed him to be the Son of God; their promised Messiah, it would not make any sense for them to ask of him "what would be the sign of his coming" since he was already there walking among them. However, it would make sense if they inquired as to what would be the sign of his presense (parousia ) in the matters that would be connected to the prediction of the destruction of the holy temple." . It is clear that they did not believe that their Messiah would come, then leave, and then come again. I am sorry you misunderstood in thinking that this was what I also believed.

Thanks for clarifying that.

However, I do believe that the resurrection as discussed by the apostle Paul in 1 Cor. 15:50-57 has occurred.

1 Cor. 15:54. "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

In the instant that God was satisfied that the 'strength of sin'; which was the old covenant law that brought only death, had been abolished, then was death abolished, releasing those who had died under that law from death unto immortality. And, at the same time those who were alive were made different in that they also put on immortality.(Immortality is not something that can be seen with the eyes or touched by the hands.)

John 11: 25. "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

But that statement by Paul is in the future. "Shall have" is a future tense, so how can it have already happened?