Yes I know this doctrine. I just don't see the logic of being held responsible for someone else's sin.
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From that point on everyone who was born was born spiritually dead.
But Trump "Makes America Great Again". = #MAGA.
An American needs to apply and join the Republican Party, in order to be a Republican.
The majority of Germans elected Hitler and his Nazi Party to be their leader and government. The minority who objected had to accept majority rule and its consequences. That is how democracy works. Similarly for when Obama and the Democrats were elected in 2008 and Trump and the Republicans were elected in 2016.
....... IOW, people/voters do not inherit election results, which can change like the tides of the ocean.
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Most Afghans are Afghan because their forefathers were Afghans. No.?
If your father is rich, you will also likely remain rich when your father passes away, eg Trump. OTOH, if your father is poor, you will also likely remain poor when your father passes away. We have no say in what things to inherit from our father, whether it be riches or poverty. We can't reject inherited poverty even though we don't like it - if given a choice, most of us would like to be born as Warren Buffett's or Bill Gate's children. All the poor inheritors can do is to improve things for their children, eg by being good and law-abiding people = blessed by God.
....... Similarly, we have no say in our inheritance of Adam's Original Sin(AOS) from our earthly Father and our inheritance of Jesus Christ's Atonement for AOS from our heavenly Father,(ROMANS.5:12) except to meekly accept our inheritance.
OTOH, people cannot vote and elect by majority-rule for whichever theist religions and salvation or reincarnation/rebirth and nirvana/enlightenment or death and nothingness or God vs Satan/mammon. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords isn't elected.
Can you tell us who has said that?
Does Trump make all Americans Republicans? No.
Did Hitler make all Germans Nazis? No.
(No connection there, just two examples that came to mind, I hate all politics.)
So why does Adam's sin make all humans sinners, at least as far as I understand mainstream Christian theology?
What kind of logic is that? Imputed guilt is what this is called, IIRC.
People say, well it works the same way as Christ representing you. No, it doesn't. With Christ, he is your representative through personal association: faith. Whereas I couldn't care about Adam. It makes no sense.
All men inherit death from Adam (both spiritual and physical). Having a spiritually dead nature prevents perfectly doing the will of GOD, so at some point all men sin.
Yes I know this doctrine. I just don't see the logic of being held responsible for someone else's sin.
Deut. 24:16
16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
That's referring to the penalty for breaking the law of Moses. Has nothing to do with being born spiritually dead.
Regardless of whether I think that I am a sinner due to Adam or not.... it is a mute point...Does Trump make all Americans Republicans? No.
Did Hitler make all Germans Nazis? No.
(No connection there, just two examples that came to mind, I hate all politics.)
So why does Adam's sin make all humans sinners, at least as far as I understand mainstream Christian theology?
What kind of logic is that? Imputed guilt is what this is called, IIRC.
People say, well it works the same way as Christ representing you. No, it doesn't. With Christ, he is your representative through personal association: faith. Whereas I couldn't care about Adam. It makes no sense.
I don't believe your born spiritually dead. that would be quite sad for all of humanity if that were the case.
Of course you were born spiritually dead, i.e., separated from GOD. That's the whole point of the circumcision of Christ, to make us spiritually alive. It is quite sad and hopeless for humanity. That's the whole point. There is only one escape - faith in Christ. Otherwise they are doomed.
Does Trump make all Americans Republicans? No.
Did Hitler make all Germans Nazis? No.
(No connection there, just two examples that came to mind, I hate all politics.)
So why does Adam's sin make all humans sinners, at least as far as I understand mainstream Christian theology?
What kind of logic is that? Imputed guilt is what this is called, IIRC.
People say, well it works the same way as Christ representing you. No, it doesn't. With Christ, he is your representative through personal association: faith. Whereas I couldn't care about Adam. It makes no sense.
The easy answer is that God informs us of this fact in the Scriptures. Can a sinner give birth to a holy being with the possibility of atoning for all sin?...no that is not possible. Jesus was the only perfect sacrifice. Adam carried around death in his body which only faith in the coming Messiah could atone for...Adam had a disconnect with God which is both written about and illustrated by his banishment from Eden and being sent out from God's presence.Does Trump make all Americans Republicans? No.
Did Hitler make all Germans Nazis? No.
(No connection there, just two examples that came to mind, I hate all politics.)
So why does Adam's sin make all humans sinners, at least as far as I understand mainstream Christian theology?
What kind of logic is that? Imputed guilt is what this is called, IIRC.
People say, well it works the same way as Christ representing you. No, it doesn't. With Christ, he is your representative through personal association: faith. Whereas I couldn't care about Adam. It makes no sense.
Where are you getting that from ?
Where am I getting what from? I said several things.
"Of course you were born spiritually dead"
Deut. 24:16
16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Yet David’s son was put to death because of his father’s sin.
Also,
Exodus 20:4-6 NIV
Somebody had to be first. I'm not symbolic/mythical.
It has not been known that the first humans were ever without sin. History goes back about 5000 years when people started to put crude symbols on clay storage jars to record their contents. Human life began before 5000 years ago.The easy answer is that God informs us of this fact in the Scriptures. Can a sinner give birth to a holy being with the possibility of atoning for all sin?...no that is not possible. Jesus was the only perfect sacrifice. Adam carried around death in his body which only faith in the coming Messiah could atone for...Adam had a disconnect with God which is both written about and illustrated by his banishment from Eden and being sent out from God's presence.
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