How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[bbbbbbb]

It is entirely upheld by scripture alone!! We follow no man made concepts!! Sunday is not God written! It is not in the bible we do not go by the traditions of men. As Jesus said "Thus saith the Lord." Please state the verse that states God said we are to follow the first day of the week now instead of the 7th. Should by simple for you. Do you realize that there has been a million dollars for the lucky person who can prove by the bible alone that the 1st day of the week is the biblical day of worship and that not one single person has ever been able to collect? What the Jews do today had nothing to do with what God says to do, it didn't when Christ was on earth either. The bible---that is what determines everything. State your case by scriptures! We can prove that the Sabbath was kept by the disciples long after the resurrection of Jesus. Paul spend 2 years in one city alone preaching every Sabbath, never mentions keeping Sunday. You are going by assumptions, by what tradition says, not by the plain "thus saith the Lord."
The health message has been stated for over 150 years and is upheld by the latest research done by non-SDA. It is a known fact that the healthiest, most long lived people are the SDA. There are some SDA, of course, that live a long time--those are exceptions, ours are the rule. And yes, we have SDA that die young also, and also the exception not the rule. Yes, tobacco is a plant---so is poison ivy---you want to use either, go right ahead. We were against the use of tobacco at a time when Dr's actually prescribed it for asthma and other lung disorders!

There is no commandment whatsoever for God's people under His New Covenant given in the New Testament in regard to honoring any day above another. Please show me book, chapter, and verse, where God states, "Thou shalt not worship Me at all except on Saturday alone (or Sunday alone, or Monday alone, or any other day of the week, month, or year alone). I will give you $1,000,000.00 if you can provide the missing verse(s).

In regard to tobacco, please show me a single verse in the Bible where the word "tobacco" appears.

If you cannot provide these verses, then please do not deceive yourself into thinking that your religion is solely from the pages of the Bible.

 

[mmksparbud]

There is no commandment whatsoever for God's people under His New Covenant given in the New Testament in regard to honoring any day above another. Please show me book, chapter, and verse, where God states, "Thou shalt not worship Me at all except on Saturday alone (or Sunday alone, or Monday alone, or any other day of the week, month, or year alone). I will give you $1,000,000.00 if you can provide the missing verse(s).

In regard to tobacco, please show me a single verse in the Bible where the word "tobacco" appears.

If you cannot provide these verses, then please do not deceive yourself into thinking that your religion is solely from the pages of the Bible.

Are you then saying that none of the 10 are to be obeyed any more?? Is it OK now to murder, steal, lie, commit adultery?? If not---then why does only the 4th all of a sudden disappear? Show me where in the entire bible does it say that God now says we are to worship on any other day than the 7uth? God never said to worship Him only on the 7th. But that is the one day that He set aside for Him and us to worship Him together and have a Holy convocation. The new covenant says He has written His law in our hearts---did He forget to write the 4th? Seriously?

What day did Jesus worship on or any of the disciples, even 40 years after His resurrection? Read the writings of Paul. If it's going to be kept in the new earth, what makes you think it has been done away with when there is nothing that can obliterate a command from God but Him? If you can not provide a verse to declare the 4th commandment, as written by God's own hand has been changed by Him---then what He wrote stands and no man can change it. The Popes think they can for they think they are God on earth---if you acknowledge their authority, fine--that's your new authority. God own hand is mine.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

You can not prove that God has changed His Holy day, which Jesus Himself, sanctified and made Holy from creation, then His word stands. He wrote it on stone, with His own hand and it was placed in the ark of the sanctuary which was a replica of the one in heaven and which the original one in heaven still is there---

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[klutedavid]

So much controversy about Sabbath keeping, so please explain;
Exactly when does the Sabbath start?
Exactly when does the Sabbath end?
What is allowable to do on the Sabbath that was forbidden in the OT? (Kindling a fire etc.)
What is forbidden to do on the Sabbath?
What is the Mark of the Beast?
Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.
Please quote EG White's writings where relevant.
Thank you.

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and your faith in Jesus. Is all the scripture is really about. Everything basically in the Old Testament was a shadow, a blueprint, of what was to come.

 

[mmksparbud]

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and your faith in Jesus. Is all the scripture is really about. Everything basically in the Old Testament was a shadow, a blueprint, of what was to come.

The 4th was never a shadow of things to come---it points backwards---to creation. And do you too consider that it is now OK to commit murder or break any of the other commandments, or is it just the 4th you don't think that God means?

 

[klutedavid]

The 4th was never a shadow of things to come---it points backwards---to creation. And do you too consider that it is now OK to commit murder or break any of the other commandments, or is it just the 4th you don't think that God means?

The law is the shadow of what was to come.

Love cannot commit murder.

Enter the eternal rest that the Sabbath was pointing forward to.

 

[mmksparbud]

The law is the shadow of what was to come.

Love cannot commit murder.

Enter the eternal rest that the Sabbath was pointing forward to.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

[klutedavid]

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

That's correct.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Obeying the law is a work, cease from that work of yours and enter into the eternal rest.

 

[mmksparbud]

That's correct.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Obeying the law is a work, cease from that work of yours and enter into the eternal rest.

Soooo----not steaking is works??? Murder? What the 10 co0mmandments are---laws of love--the first 4 dseal with our love for God, the last 6 love for man. God only requires 4 to show our love for Him---why do yo90u want to cut that down to 3? You don't think that loving God by keeping what He has commandment is needed?

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Why do you think that Jesus has thrown out these verses which deal with love?



Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Are you then saying that none of the 10 are to be obeyed any more?? Is it OK now to murder, steal, lie, commit adultery?? If not---then why does only the 4th all of a sudden disappear? Show me where in the entire bible does it say that God now says we are to worship on any other day than the 7uth? God never said to worship Him only on the 7th. But that is the one day that He set aside for Him and us to worship Him together and have a Holy convocation. The new covenant says He has written His law in our hearts---did He forget to write the 4th? Seriously?

What day did Jesus worship on or any of the disciples, even 40 years after His resurrection? Read the writings of Paul. If it's going to be kept in the new earth, what makes you think it has been done away with when there is nothing that can obliterate a command from God but Him? If you can not provide a verse to declare the 4th commandment, as written by God's own hand has been changed by Him---then what He wrote stands and no man can change it. The Popes think they can for they think they are God on earth---if you acknowledge their authority, fine--that's your new authority. God own hand is mine.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

You can not prove that God has changed His Holy day, which Jesus Himself, sanctified and made Holy from creation, then His word stands. He wrote it on stone, with His own hand and it was placed in the ark of the sanctuary which was a replica of the one in heaven and which the original one in heaven still is there---

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

I see that my bank account is quite safe. I do feel sorry if you actually think that your beliefs derive only from what is written in the Bible.

God wrote, "Thou shalt not kindle a fire on the Sabbath." What He has written cannot be changed, according to you. However, we are in complete agreement that His unalterable commandment does not apply to either you or myself and we are quite free to cook our meals over a fire every day of the week.

 

[Major1]

So do Adventists - but not for someone that was never baptized by immersion... and I don't know of any baptist church that will take a letter of transfer as the means for joining the church if the person was never baptized by immersion.

The point remains.

Then maybe you should start attending one of them instead of the SDA false church.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, Southern Baptists receive members by water baptism, also by letter of transfer, or statement of faith.

So do Adventists - but not for someone that was never baptized by immersion... and I don't know of any baptist church that will take a letter of transfer as the means for joining the church if the person was never baptized by immersion.

The point remains.

Then maybe you should start attending one of them instead of the SDA false church.

I have seen some snarky comments at times that makes me less than enthusiastic about joining groups just because those groups do such things.

Your comment about Baptists and immersion, letter of transfer and "statement of faith" is the same practice that both Adventist and Baptists have - and so logically it is not even remotely an argument for transitioning from one to the other.

Meanwhile baptist groups are shrinking in growth rate in America and Adventists are one of the fastest growing according to ChristianityToday - being the 5th largest denomination in the world at this point.

This is not a point that argues that one should change from one denomination to another. So it is illogical to point to it and say "you should leave your denomination and become a Baptist".

I prefer the Bible, logic and reason. I cannot settle for "I changed denominations because I read some snarky posts and then made the decision to change"... as much as that might seem like the best course of action to others.

 

[Major1]

James does not agree in James 2 - -- break one... break them all
John does not agree in 1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law"
Paul does not agree in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment.

The majority of Christian denominations on planet earth do not agree with you on that one..

And that includes -

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

===================

But of course you have free will and can believe whatever you wish ... it does not have to agree with what they say about it.

Meanwhile the Bible says "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 where that Law is the one having the 5th commandment as "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 -- according to Paul, so maybe they have a point after all.



Well.. you have free will and can reject whatever you wish.



Here is the teaching of Jesus.

Matt 19
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not bear false witness; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

And no wonder that the "Law of God" is written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34

Such that Paul says "What then? Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the Law" Rom 3:31

So then "yea" as even the majority of Christian denominations all over the earth admit - it is still a "sin" to take God's name in vain. Even for Christians.

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" points out - the fact that the commandments of God still define what sin is - and are on the heart and mind under the New Covenant --- is in no way out of harmony with grace - but are in perfect accord with it. ... the Gospel

You are once again incorrect. Bob.....I do not believe I have know anyone who is better at scripture twisting, and trickery, & SDA propaganda as you.

The facts are always different than what you propose.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because the priests were allowed to profane it: Matt 12:5; Num 28:9-10; Josh 6:15; 1 Ki 20:29; Jn 5:10

The Sabbath is not a moral law because a man could break it without sin to save an animal from a pit.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because God never intended for all mankind to keep it: God NEVER charged the Gentiles with breaking it, much less even keeping it.

Anybody, except someone deceived by a false prophet (Ellen G. White), can clearly understand and see that the Sabbath law is a ceremonial law.

 

[Major1]

I see that my bank account is quite safe. I do feel sorry if you actually think that your beliefs derive only from what is written in the Bible.

God wrote, "Thou shalt not kindle a fire on the Sabbath." What He has written cannot be changed, according to you. However, we are in complete agreement that His unalterable commandment does not apply to either you or myself and we are quite free to cook our meals over a fire every day of the week.

And we can eat PORK RIBS barbequed !!!!!!

 

[BobRyan]

I see that my bank account is quite safe. I do feel sorry if you actually think that your beliefs derive only from what is written in the Bible.
.

I on the other hand actually prefer the sola scriptura model.

To each his/her own.

 

[BobRyan]

I posted this

NOT keeping the Sabbath is NOT a sin but using God's name in vain is.

James does not agree in James 2 - -- break one... break them all
John does not agree in 1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law"
Paul does not agree in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment.

The majority of Christian denominations on planet earth do not agree with you on that one..

And that includes -

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

===================

But of course you have free will and can believe whatever you wish ... it does not have to agree with what they say about it.

Meanwhile the Bible says "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 where that Law is the one having the 5th commandment as "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 -- according to Paul, so maybe they have a point after all.

I can not accept that thought at all.

Well.. you have free will and can reject whatever you wish.

With Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith, we no longer are required to keep the Law

Here is the teaching of Jesus.

Matt 19
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not bear false witness; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

And no wonder that the "Law of God" is written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34

Such that Paul says "What then? Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the Law" Rom 3:31

So then "yea" as even the majority of Christian denominations all over the earth admit - it is still a "sin" to take God's name in vain. Even for Christians.

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" points out - the fact that the commandments of God still define what sin is - and are on the heart and mind under the New Covenant --- is in no way out of harmony with grace - but are in perfect accord with it. ... the Gospel

and you said

You are once again incorrect. Bob.....I do not believe I have know anyone who is better at scripture twisting, and trickery, & SDA propaganda as you.

less than compelling posts such as that - as a response to the scriptures listed -- lose my interest

 

[Major1]

I posted this



and you said



less than compelling posts such as that - as a response to the scriptures listed -- lose my interest

That would be correct IF the Scriptures were properly understood and not manipulated to make them say what YOU want them to say Bob.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because God never intended for all mankind to keep it: God NEVER charged the Gentiles with breaking it, much less even keeping it.

 

[BobRyan]

The majority of Christian denominations on planet earth do not agree with you on that one..
And that includes - these groups affirming ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments - including the Sabbath for mankind in EDEN

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

===================

But of course you have free will and can believe whatever you wish ... it does not have to agree with what they say about it.

to which innexplicably we get this response

Anybody, except someone deceived by a false prophet (Ellen G. White), can clearly understand and see that the Sabbath law is a ceremonial law.

As if all those groups oppose your view stated above on the Sabbath commandment -- because they believe Ellen White instead.

Please be serious. For a sec

 

[BobRyan]

I posted this

NOT keeping the Sabbath is NOT a sin but using God's name in vain is.

James does not agree in James 2 - -- break one... break them all
John does not agree in 1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law"
Paul does not agree in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment.

The majority of Christian denominations on planet earth do not agree with you on that one..

And that includes -

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

===================

But of course you have free will and can believe whatever you wish ... it does not have to agree with what they say about it.

Meanwhile the Bible says "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 where that Law is the one having the 5th commandment as "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 -- according to Paul, so maybe they have a point after all.

I can not accept that thought at all.

Well.. you have free will and can reject whatever you wish.

With Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith, we no longer are required to keep the Law

Here is the teaching of Jesus.

Matt 19
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not bear false witness; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

And no wonder that the "Law of God" is written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34

Such that Paul says "What then? Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the Law" Rom 3:31

So then "yea" as even the majority of Christian denominations all over the earth admit - it is still a "sin" to take God's name in vain. Even for Christians.

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" points out - the fact that the commandments of God still define what sin is - and are on the heart and mind under the New Covenant --- is in no way out of harmony with grace - but are in perfect accord with it. ... the Gospel

and you said

You are once again incorrect. Bob.....I do not believe I have know anyone who is better at scripture twisting, and trickery, & SDA propaganda as you.

less than compelling posts such as that - as a response to the scriptures listed -- lose my interest

That would be correct IF the Scriptures were properly understood and not manipulated to make them say what YOU want them to say Bob.

Actually it is always true - simply responding to those Bible texts with snark - is not even remotely a compelling bible argument for anything.

We could all post "I am right and you are wrong" short snips as the substance of each of our posts - and what purpose would that hold? Of what interest would the forum be?

 

[Major1]

to which innexplicably we get this response



As if all those groups oppose your view stated above on the Sabbath commandment -- because they believe Ellen White instead.

Please be serious. For a sec

Make sure you are clear on this. I DO NOT CARE one iota who accepts or rejects what I post on this forum.

I do not have an agenda as do you but instead I simply follow and accept the Word of God and not the dogmas of men.

 

[Major1]

I posted this



and you said



less than compelling posts such as that - as a response to the scriptures listed -- lose my interest



Actually it is always true - simply responding to those Bible texts with snark - is not even remotely a compelling bible argument for anything.

We could all post "I am right and you are wrong" short snips as the substance of each of our posts - and what purpose would that hold? Of what interest would the forum be?

You are correct. Allow me to fix this.

The Bible is always right and your SDA interpretations as given to you by Mres. Ellen White are wrong.

However......YOU are perfectly in your right to believe anything you want to.