How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[Major1]

Yes, I did, several on this forum. They totally misunderstood some things. They simply were not paying attention, for whatever reason. Many were at a very tumultuous time in their lives and felt let down, more often by God then by the SDA faith. I have 2 brothers who are out of the faith, they are both angry men, full of hatred--what they can't see is, they are angry at God. I can see it, for I used to be the same way. Our father did much damage. We blamed God and somehow the church, but it took me years to realize my father had his own walk with the Lord, and at every step, he chose his own way, not God's. He will answer for what he did. But we have our own choices to make now. Either for or against God. I choose God, they have not yet and time is very much running out. I was in the world for years, totally did not want to hear from, or about, God in any way. When I finally started to come back to Him, I went looking at every faith out there, in the end, I realized no other stuck to the bible as did the SDA so I came back when I had all my questions answered.
As to your aunt---maybe she thought she lost it---however, she is not the judge of her salvation, God is. She is probably going to have a delightful surprise.

Read #339!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Yes, I did, several on this forum. They totally misunderstood some things. They simply were not paying attention, for whatever reason. Many were at a very tumultuous time in their lives and felt let down, more often by God then by the SDA faith. I have 2 brothers who are out of the faith, they are both angry men, full of hatred--what they can't see is, they are angry at God. I can see it, for I used to be the same way. Our father did much damage. We blamed God and somehow the church, but it took me years to realize my father had his own walk with the Lord, and at every step, he chose his own way, not God's. He will answer for what he did. But we have our own choices to make now. Either for or against God. I choose God, they have not yet and time is very much running out. I was in the world for years, totally did not want to hear from, or about, God in any way. When I finally started to come back to Him, I went looking at every faith out there, in the end, I realized no other stuck to the bible as did the SDA so I came back when I had all my questions answered.
As to your aunt---maybe she thought she lost it---however, she is not the judge of her salvation, God is. She is probably going to have a delightful surprise.

sda holds to Sabbath must be kept, Ellen white must be revered as a prophet and her understandings on doctrine must be held, and that they will face the Investigative Judgement, at which time God will demand them to have a character that kept the law as well as Jesus did!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Oh......I agree 100%. Maybe even 101%.

The way old Bob asked the question was what I was responding. He was trying to say that Sabbath keeping to be saved is just as important as not using Gods name in vain.

NOT keeping the Sabbath is NOT a sin but using God's name in vain is.

Sabbath was never given in the Bible to any but Israel to keep, as the sign of the Old Covenant!

 

[mmksparbud]

Personally, I do not care what denomination you belong to.

However there are several teachings which you as an SDA accept which the basic Protestant church does not accept.

1.
Ellen White Theories: Ellen White is recognized by the Seventh-day Adventist church as having received the gift of prophecy as outlined in Ephesians 4 and 1 Corinthians 12. SDA sees the written works by Ellen White as "a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction,"
according to their fundamental beliefs, as listed by Adventist.org.

2.
Resurrection: SDA believes when a person dies, they remain unconscious until they are resurrected. Eternal life is a gift which God only grants to those who have accepted the sacrifice of Christ on their behalf. By an act of mercy on the part of God, the wicked will be destroyed by fire. Thus, Seventh-day Adventists do not believe that a person goes to heaven for an eternal reward or to hell for never-ending torture immediately upon death.

3.
Investigative judgment: SDA believe in salvation by faith in Christ alone. Good works are seen as evidence of that faith. The investigative or pre-advent judgment, which takes place in heaven before the return of Jesus, reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Jesus and will have a part in the first resurrection and who among the living are abiding in Christ and are ready for translation. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus.

4.
The Second Coming: SDA believes that the second coming of Christ is near and believers should be ready for it at all times. When Christ does come, the righteous Christians who had previously died will be resurrected at that time and taken to heaven. For the following 1,000 years, only Satan and his fallen angels will be living on earth. A second resurrection will occur at the end of that period. At that time Satan and his evil angels, as well as the wicked, will be destroyed. The righteous will then return to a cleansed earth, and establish the New Jerusalem.

1. Yes, true. It is not EGW we are baptized unto but Christ, even I made that clear to the pastor that rebaptized me some over 35 years ago.

2. Absolutely correct. When Jesus comes, His reward comes with Him, we are resurrected unto eternal life then though we acquire it now. It is entirely biblical.

3. True. As I said, when Jesus comes, He comes for the saved only for the 1000 years. That means He has already determined who is saved and who is not. Judgement day is for the lost so all will see why God made the decisions He did. Totally biblical.

4. Yes. All biblically based.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Oh......I agree 100%. Maybe even 101%.

The way old Bob asked the question was what I was responding. He was trying to say that Sabbath keeping to be saved is just as important as not using Gods name in vain.

NOT keeping the Sabbath is NOT a sin but using God's name in vain is.

Sabbath keeping (i.e. going to church on Saturday as opposed to any other day of the week) is utterly foreign to the pages of scripture, although Bob would argue that the Israelites went to church every Saturday. Curiously, Jews rarely go to synagogue (or temple if they are Reformed) on Saturdays, but do make it a major point to be there on the High Holidays, which include some Saturdays, but also other days.

To insist that Sabbath breaking is a sin for a Christian is like saying that smoking or chewing tobacco was good for Israel. As we know, the SDA has been at the forefront of abstaining from consuming all meat and only consuming vegetable material (which, ironically, tobacco is).

 

[mmksparbud]

sda holds to Sabbath must be kept, Ellen white must be revered as a prophet and her understandings on doctrine must be held, and that they will face the Investigative Judgement, at which time God will demand them to have a character that kept the law as well as Jesus did!

Please---how many times must we ask? Post your sources! Post what our actual believes are not what you think they are!!! Where are you getting your ideas from? Post sources!!

 

[bbbbbbb]

1. Yes, true. It is not EGW we are baptized unto but Christ, even I made that clear to the pastor that rebaptized me some over 35 years ago.

2. Absolutely correct. When Jesus comes, His reward comes with Him, we are resurrected unto eternal life then though we acquire it now. It is entirely biblical.

3. True. As I said, when Jesus comes, He comes for the saved only for the 10009 years. That means He has already determined who is saved and who is not. Judgement day is for the lost so all will see why God made the decisions He did. Totally biblical.

4. Yes. All biblically based.

The problem is, as you yourself have stated, is that these beliefs are "biblically based". I have yet to meet a Catholic who will not tell me that his church's dogmas and doctrines are not "biblically based". It is not in the least bit difficult to snatch bits of the Bible here and there and weave together various teachings that would have astounded to authors of those passages.

The huge problem many denominations face is not that their doctrines cannot find their origin in one shape or form in the Bible, but that their doctrines are not support entirely from scripture.

Thus, for example, because of the many implications inherent in keeping the OT Law, various denominations, including your own, willfully slice and dice the Law to fit themselves and conveniently ignore the uncomfortable bits.

 

[mmksparbud]

Sabbath keeping (i.e. going to church on Saturday as opposed to any other day of the week) is utterly foreign to the pages of scripture, although Bob would argue that the Israelites went to church every Saturday. Curiously, Jews rarely go to synagogue (or temple if they are Reformed) on Saturdays, but do make it a major point to be there on the High Holidays, which include some Saturdays, but also other days.

To insist that Sabbath breaking is a sin for a Christian is like saying that smoking or chewing tobacco was good for Israel. As we know, the SDA has been at the forefront of abstaining from consuming all meat and only consuming vegetable material (which, ironically, tobacco is).

It is entirely upheld by scripture alone!! We follow no man made concepts!! Sunday is not God written! It is not in the bible we do not go by the traditions of men. As Jesus said "Thus saith the Lord." Please state the verse that states God said we are to follow the first day of the week now instead of the 7th. Should by simple for you. Do you realize that there has been a million dollars for the lucky person who can prove by the bible alone that the 1st day of the week is the biblical day of worship and that not one single person has ever been able to collect? What the Jews do today had nothing to do with what God says to do, it didn't when Christ was on earth either. The bible---that is what determines everything. State your case by scriptures! We can prove that the Sabbath was kept by the disciples long after the resurrection of Jesus. Paul spend 2 years in one city alone preaching every Sabbath, never mentions keeping Sunday. You are going by assumptions, by what tradition says, not by the plain "thus saith the Lord."
The health message has been stated for over 150 years and is upheld by the latest research done by non-SDA. It is a known fact that the healthiest, most long lived people are the SDA. There are some SDA, of course, that live a long time--those are exceptions, ours are the rule. And yes, we have SDA that die young also, and also the exception not the rule. Yes, tobacco is a plant---so is poison ivy---you want to use either, go right ahead. We were against the use of tobacco at a time when Dr's actually prescribed it for asthma and other lung disorders!

 

[mmksparbud]

Read #339!

I read the book by DM Canright, and others on Sda doctrines, and know that no Sda is allowed to hold any understanding of the Bible that would disagree with Ellen Whites viewpoint!

You failed to follow up on Canright---that was proven false years and years ago. Again. You are not going by actual church doctrines, but by the words of others. Go I only go to the works of anti-Mormons to find out what they are sayi8n g, then I go directly to the Mormon official site for what they have to day. Same for any denomination, never go by the anti-sites. Go to the actual source of information if you want to know what is actually taught and believed!! Seems only right, but most people just go to anti-sites without ever bothering to find out if they are accurate or not then go around spreading stuff that is not true. I have done my own research on the LDS, through LDS believers and their own site, not by the anti-Mormon. They do not need any help from the anti-Mormon, there is enough in their own writings!

 

[BobRyan]

No sir Bob, that is incorrect.

The Baptist do not require water baptism to be a church member.

All the ones I have attended do. I even heard a Southern Baptist minister give a series of sermons comparing all the denominations and when he came to "Baptists" he said that the Baptism by immersion and the Bible is the word of God were the only doctrines that almost all Baptist variations have in common. In the Baptist churches I attended - I never saw anyone "sprinkle" a person as the form of "Baptism" for joining the church.

 

[BobRyan]

The way old Bob asked the question was what I was responding. He was trying to say that Sabbath keeping to be saved is just as important as not using Gods name in vain. .

It is entirely possible that you think you have a quote from me talking about "Sabbath keeping to be saved"... this would be a good time to quote it.

 

[BobRyan]

NOT keeping the Sabbath is NOT a sin but using God's name in vain is.

James does not agree in James 2 - -- break one... break them all
John does not agree in 1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law"
Paul does not agree in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment.

The majority of Christian denominations on planet earth do not agree with you on that one..

And that includes -

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

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But of course you have free will and can believe whatever you wish ... it does not have to agree with what they say about it.

Meanwhile the Bible says "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 where that Law is the one having the 5th commandment as "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 -- according to Paul, so maybe they have a point after all.

 

[BobRyan]

I read the book by DM Canright, and others on Sda doctrines, and know that no Sda is allowed to hold any understanding of the Bible that would disagree with Ellen Whites viewpoint!

I on the other hand AM an actual SDA and know that Canright was wrong in more ways than 1 .. still I am not inclined to fall for the idea that what is not an actual quote of him .. should be blamed on him "anyway".

 

[BobRyan]

Personally, I do not care what denomination you belong to.

Well then have you come to the right thread. This is a thread for asking SDAs how they keep the Bible Sabbath.

However there are several teachings which you as an SDA accept which the basic Protestant church does not accept.

I assume this is where you are about to tell us something about the Sabbath Commandment -- since that is the actual subject of this thread.

 

[mmksparbud]

The problem is, as you yourself have stated, is that these beliefs are "biblically based". I have yet to meet a Catholic who will not tell me that his church's dogmas and doctrines are not "biblically based". It is not in the least bit difficult to snatch bits of the Bible here and there and weave together various teachings that would have astounded to authors of those passages.

The huge problem many denominations face is not that their doctrines cannot find their origin in one shape or form in the Bible, but that their doctrines are not support entirely from scripture.

Thus, for example, because of the many implications inherent in keeping the OT Law, various denominations, including your own, willfully slice and dice the Law to fit themselves and conveniently ignore the uncomfortable bits.

No. Catholicism is very clear, they hold tradition on as high a value As the bible.
There is no way to slice and dice the 10 commandments. The law is the law. And there are 10 of them, not 9. The rest of the 10 are OK for anyone---it is only when it comes to the 4th that we encounter a problem. Everyone wants to forget the only commandment that starts with "Remember." I find that vey interesting. We do not slice and dice this one, either. There is only the law, not OT, not NT---just the law. The New Covenant was prophesied in the OT:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The covenant has always been with the law---the OT was written on stone, the NT covenant is written in the heart. The OT required the laws of Moses also which required a High Priest and the blood of animals, the New does not require the laws of Moses or animals and our High Priest is now Jesus, for He became the Lamb and it is His blood that saves. Both were always by faith. What is uncomfortable, and who ignores it?

 

[Major1]

The majority of Christian denominations on planet earth do not agree with you on that one..

And that includes -

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

===================

But of course you have free will and can believe whatever you wish ... it does not have to agree with what they say about it.

Meanwhile the Bible says "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 where that Law is the one having the 5th commandment as "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 -- according to Paul, so maybe they have a point after all.

I can not accept that thought at all.

With Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith, we no longer are required to keep the Law and hence the Sabbath which was only a shadow of things to come. We are not under Law but grace. The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus because in Him we have rest. We are not under obligation to keep the Law, and this goes for the Sabbath as well which does not keeping it does not make it a sin.

 

[Major1]

All the ones I have attended do. I even heard a Southern Baptist minister give a series of sermons comparing all the denominations and when he came to "Baptists" he said that the Baptism by immersion and the Bible is the word of God were the only doctrines that almost all Baptist variations have in common. In the Baptist churches I attended - I never saw anyone "sprinkle" a person as the form of "Baptism" for joining the church.

Not a very well educated Southern Baptist...IF he was one at all.

Yes, Southern Baptists receive members by water baptism, also by letter of transfer, or statement of faith.

 

[Major1]

1. Yes, true. It is not EGW we are baptized unto but Christ, even I made that clear to the pastor that rebaptized me some over 35 years ago.

2. Absolutely correct. When Jesus comes, His reward comes with Him, we are resurrected unto eternal life then though we acquire it now. It is entirely biblical.

3. True. As I said, when Jesus comes, He comes for the saved only for the 10009 years. That means He has already determined who is saved and who is not. Judgement day is for the lost so all will see why God made the decisions He did. Totally biblical.

4. Yes. All biblically based.

NONE are found in the Bible. They are all manufactured in your mind.

 

[BobRyan]

NOT keeping the Sabbath is NOT a sin but using God's name in vain is.

James does not agree in James 2 - -- break one... break them all
John does not agree in 1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law"
Paul does not agree in 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment.

The majority of Christian denominations on planet earth do not agree with you on that one..
And that includes - these groups affirming ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments - including the Sabbath for mankind in EDEN

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

===================

But of course you have free will and can believe whatever you wish ... it does not have to agree with what they say about it.

Meanwhile the Bible says "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 where that Law is the one having the 5th commandment as "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 -- according to Paul, so maybe they have a point after all.

I can not accept that thought at all.

Well.. you have free will and can reject whatever you wish.

With Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith, we no longer are required to keep the Law

Here is the teaching of Jesus.

Matt 19
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not bear false witness; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

And no wonder that the "Law of God" is written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34

Such that Paul says "What then? Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the Law" Rom 3:31

So then "yea" as even the majority of Christian denominations all over the earth admit - it is still a "sin" to take God's name in vain. Even for Christians.

As the "Baptist Confession of Faith" points out - the fact that the commandments of God still define what sin is - and are on the heart and mind under the New Covenant --- is in no way out of harmony with grace - but are in perfect accord with it. ... the Gospel

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, Southern Baptists receive members by water baptism, also by letter of transfer, or statement of faith.

So do Adventists - but not for someone that was never baptized by immersion... and I don't know of any baptist church that will take a letter of transfer as the means for joining the church if the person was never baptized by immersion.

The point remains.