How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[BobRyan]

Make sure you are clear on this. I DO NOT CARE one iota who accepts or rejects what I post on this forum.

you are posting on a thread that has a certain title.. you know that right?

And you keep posting in harmony with your statement above - that you do not care if your posts are less-than-compelling summations of your claim "I am right -- you are wrong" without any response to the Bible texts posted.

I think we can all agree with you on at least that part.

 

[BobRyan]

The Bible is always right and your SDA interpretations as given to you by Mres. Ellen White are wrong.
.

a perfect match with this -

Make sure you are clear on this. I DO NOT CARE one iota who accepts or rejects what I post

Now we have the short snip post version of exchange that you appear to be striving for... see? no texts just me saying I don't agree with the details of your statements.

Meanwhile the entire subject and purpose of this thread is being cast aside by that tactic

I do not have an agenda .

At the very least you should consider the title of the thread

 

[Major1]

you are posting on a thread that has a certain title.. you know that right?

And you keep posting in harmony with your statement above - that you do not care if your posts are less-than-compelling summations of your claim "I am right -- you are wrong" without any response to the Bible texts posted.

I think we can all agree with you on at least that part.

If that is the case, why do you then think I have posted Scriptures which show that you misunderstand those Scriptures.

Lets do another one. God actually did say that He could not endure the Jews keeping the Sabbath:

Isa 1:13-14......
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me."

Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible!

 

[BobRyan]

If that is the case, why do you then think I have posted Scriptures which show that you misunderstand those Scriptures.

That would be a good focus for your posts.. please do

 

[BobRyan]

Isa 1:13-14......
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me."

Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible!

offerings, new moons, Sabbaths are times of "holy convocation" - according to Lev 23

Isaiah - is condemning rebellion - NOT the Word of God. -- obedience to the Word of God is not "rebellion" in the Bible.

He says -- "I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.
not "I cannot endure solemn assembly"
It is iniquity AND solemn assembly
It is iniquity AND prayer that is spoken against in Isaiah 1

Isaiah 1
2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the Lord speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.
...

Isaiah 1
4 Alas, sinful nation,
People weighed down with iniquity,
Offspring of evildoers,
Sons who act corruptly!
They have abandoned the Lord,
They have despised the Holy One of Israel,
They have turned away from Him.

God never condemns "obedience to the WORD of God" not even in Isaiah 1

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"love Me and KEEP My commandments" Ex 20:6
"this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - even in the NT
where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment - Eph 6:1-2

Isaiah 1
10 Hear the word of the Lord,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah.
11 “What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?”
Says the Lord.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle;
And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.
12 “When you come to appear before Me,
Who requires of you this trampling of My courts?
13 “Bring your worthless offerings no longer,
Incense is an abomination to Me.
New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.
14 “I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts,
They have become a burden to Me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 “So when you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Yes, even though you multiply prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are covered with blood.

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So is this God condemning sin and rebellion OR is he condemning prayer, solemn assembly (church), offerings, etc -- all that he commands in his own Word?

This is God teaching that "rebellion invalidates worship".

And so is this in Mark 7
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Is it His WORD He is condemning or is it sin? (If we note "the details).

Is it prayer, solemn assembly (church), worship, that God is condemning?

Isaiah 1

16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,
17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow.

“Let Us Reason”
18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.
19 “If you consent and obey,
You will eat the best of the land;
20 “But if you refuse and rebel,
You will be devoured by the sword.”
Truly, the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Obedience to the Word of God is not being condemned in Isaiah 1 or in Mark 7. Details show it.

 

[klutedavid]

Soooo----not steaking is works??? Murder? What the 10 co0mmandments are---laws of love--the first 4 dseal with our love for God, the last 6 love for man. God only requires 4 to show our love for Him---why do yo90u want to cut that down to 3? You don't think that loving God by keeping what He has commandment is needed?

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Why do you think that Jesus has thrown out these verses which deal with love?



Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

The ten commandments are in the book of law, the book of the covenant. That old covenant between God and Israel was definitely a covenant of works.

Exodus 24:7
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!”

Please check those phrases in that quotation above, 'we will do', 'we will be obedient'. Both of these phrases tell us that the Mosaic covenant was a covenant of works, 'we will do'.

The New Covenant is based on belief, faith, in Jesus Christ and is sealed with the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Do not covet thy neighbors oxen has a death penalty, that commandment kills.

 

[klutedavid]

I do not have an agenda as do you but instead I simply follow and accept the Word of God and not the dogmas of men.

I think you might like to correct that post.

"I simply follow and accept the Word of God and not the dogmas of men and women."

 

[klutedavid]

The 4th was never a shadow of things to come---it points backwards---to creation. And do you too consider that it is now OK to commit murder or break any of the other commandments, or is it just the 4th you don't think that God means?

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

What was the old covenant that the author of Hebrews was referring to?

Was that the book of the law?

 

[mmksparbud]

I see that my bank account is quite safe. I do feel sorry if you actually think that your beliefs derive only from what is written in the Bible.

God wrote, "Thou shalt not kindle a fire on the Sabbath." What He has written cannot be changed, according to you. However, we are in complete agreement that His unalterable commandment does not apply to either you or myself and we are quite free to cook our meals over a fire every day of the week.

Here we go again---the Sabbath as God intended and Jesus kept it reads:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Now---where do you see anything about kindling a fire? No one, unless your camping, has kindled a fire in centuries. It involved gathering tiny little sticks and other small debris that burn quickly and flint rocks and it was quite an ordeal---Not exactly flipping a switch. They got around that, and still do by lighting a fire before sundown and keeping it going, today they just leave the lights on! It is the intent of the Sabbath that God wants-=-a day to meet together in worship of Him, to let go of the things of this world and concentrate on Him, to rest body and soul in Him.

Isa_58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

This is the spirit of the law---and for our own good. It is not to be confused with what the Rabbis' later made of it---counting steps even. Jesus did none of that---that is why He was accused of breaking the sabbath, He broke the Rabbis' laws---never the Fathers laws---which, by the way, He Himself wrote with His own finger. That is why He can say---He is Lord of the Sabbath.

This is the bible---nothing to do with EGW!

 

[mmksparbud]

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

What was the old covenant that the author of Hebrews was referring to?

Was that the book of the law?

As it is very clear when reading His word, said long before the new covenant was installed at His crucifixion:

The New Covenant
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


He has written them in our heart. The 10 have nothing to do with the ceremonial laws, which mostly required the blood of animals---quite obviously no longer needed for Jesus is the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world--It is His blood that cleanses us now.

 

[klutedavid]

As it is very clear when reading His word, said long before the new covenant was installed at His crucifixion:

The New Covenant
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


He has written them in our heart. The 10 have nothing to do with the ceremonial laws, which mostly required the blood of animals---quite obviously no longer needed for Jesus is the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world--It is His blood that cleanses us now.

The law written on the heart is what the Holy Spirit writes on our heart.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Against this spiritual fruit the law is weak and useless, the law is impotent.

You honestly believe that God writes on your heart; do not covet that oxen?

You must be kidding me.

 

[klutedavid]

As it is very clear when reading His word, said long before the new covenant was installed at His crucifixion:

The New Covenant
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


He has written them in our heart. The 10 have nothing to do with the ceremonial laws, which mostly required the blood of animals---quite obviously no longer needed for Jesus is the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world--It is His blood that cleanses us now.

Read it again.

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;

Not according to the covenant that i made with their fathers...

Exodus 24:7-8
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

The book of the covenant is the ten commandments, is the book of the law.

 

[mmksparbud]

Read it again.

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;

Not according to the covenant that i made with their fathers...

Exodus 24:7-8
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

The book of the covenant is the ten commandments, is the book of the law.

Read it again:
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The new covenant is the law written in the heart---plain and simple. You are free to believe whatever you want. You will never answer to any SDA----we all will answer to God.

 

[klutedavid]

Read it again:
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The new covenant is the law written in the heart---plain and simple. You are free to believe whatever you want. You will never answer to any SDA----we all will answer to God.

The old covenant was the covenant of the book, the covenant of the book of the law!

Israel replied, we will do it.

Israel was in that old covenant and that covenant, the book of the law, has passed.

We are in a new covenant now, a covenant written in Christ's blood. The old covenant book of the law was the shadow.

Take and eat the meat from a cloven hoof.

 

[mmksparbud]

The old covenant was the covenant of the book, the covenant of the book of the law!

Israel replied, we will do it.

Israel was in that old covenant and that covenant, the book of the law, has passed.

We are in a new covenant now, a covenant written in Christ's blood. The old covenant book of the law was the shadow.

Take and eat the meat from a cloven hoof.

Yes!!! It was predicted in Jeremiah!!!
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Let's not spend anymore time repeating ourselves!! It is written in the heart!! Never the less -- it is still the law!!

 

[bbbbbbb]

And we can eat PORK RIBS barbequed !!!!!!

Yes, even my Jewish friend loves pork in all its glorious forms. Yum!

 

[YeshuaFan]

I on the other hand actually prefer the sola scriptura model.

To each his/her own.

Sda says that EW is the Infallible interpreter of the bible, how is that scriptures only? And isnt the infallible teacher the Holy Spirit Himself?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Here we go again---the Sabbath as God intended and Jesus kept it reads:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Now---where do you see anything about kindling a fire? No one, unless your camping, has kindled a fire in centuries. It involved gathering tiny little sticks and other small debris that burn quickly and flint rocks and it was quite an ordeal---Not exactly flipping a switch. They got around that, and still do by lighting a fire before sundown and keeping it going, today they just leave the lights on! It is the intent of the Sabbath that God wants-=-a day to meet together in worship of Him, to let go of the things of this world and concentrate on Him, to rest body and soul in Him.

Isa_58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

This is the spirit of the law---and for our own good. It is not to be confused with what the Rabbis' later made of it---counting steps even. Jesus did none of that---that is why He was accused of breaking the sabbath, He broke the Rabbis' laws---never the Fathers laws---which, by the way, He Himself wrote with His own finger. That is why He can say---He is Lord of the Sabbath.

This is the bible---nothing to do with EGW!

Jesus kept Sabbath, as he was under the OC, fulfilled it, now under New One, and Sabbath NEVER given to the Church!

 

[YeshuaFan]

You failed to follow up on Canright---that was proven false years and years ago. Again. You are not going by actual church doctrines, but by the words of others. Go I only go to the works of anti-Mormons to find out what they are sayi8n g, then I go directly to the Mormon official site for what they have to day. Same for any denomination, never go by the anti-sites. Go to the actual source of information if you want to know what is actually taught and believed!! Seems only right, but most people just go to anti-sites without ever bothering to find out if they are accurate or not then go around spreading stuff that is not true. I have done my own research on the LDS, through LDS believers and their own site, not by the anti-Mormon. They do not need any help from the anti-Mormon, there is enough in their own writings!

Official Sda doctrine is that EW understanding of the Bible must be the official position, due to her being the Spirit of Prophecy!

 

[mmksparbud]

Jesus kept Sabbath, as he was under the OC, fulfilled it, now under New One, and Sabbath NEVER given to the Church!

Official Sda doctrine is that EW understanding of the Bible must be the official position, due to her being the Spirit of Prophecy!

You've ben asked to post your sources countless times!!! You just keep blabbering away without substantiating anything you say!! Quote the source you got this from~!! You are not saying the truth, just mouthing stuff you think you know without any proof of what you say.

As for the NT-​

-apparently you've not read much of the writings of Paul. He writes about 40 years after the resurrection of Jesus---and he is preaching every sabbath in one city alone for 2 years---Every Sabbath. The disciples all kept Sabbath.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act_13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Jesus was on earth 40 days after His resurrection, all you have to do is quote the verse where He said the sabbath was done away with! Unless there is that verse, the written command from God stands and no man can change that. God wrote it---Only He can change it!