How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[YeshuaFan]

And I assume that as a Baptist who affirms the "sola scriptura" principle of testing doctrine -- you have an actual Bible text for that one.

Meet to gather to worship, hear the Apostles, and break bread first day of the week!

 

[BobRyan]

her mark of the beast is NOT in the Bible!

All the doctrinal statements - which apparently you are not going to be informed about -- are given to the public ... in our online Bible study courses - and no reference to Ellen White the teaching on Revelation 13 -- even though you post as if Ellen White wrote Rev 13 for SDAs.

 

[YeshuaFan]

All the doctrinal statements - which apparently you are not going to be informed about -- are given to the public ... in our online Bible study courses - and no reference to Ellen White the teaching on Revelation 13 -- even though you post as if Ellen White wrote Rev 13 for SDAs.

Yes or no, Sda must agree and hold to what EW stated the scriptures meant?

 

[BobRyan]

Meet to gather to worship, hear the Apostles, and break bread first day of the week!

Acts 2 -- they did that every day.

Acts 20:8-11 they did that once in Acts 20

 

[mmksparbud]

her mark of the beast is NOT in the Bible!

It is the bible we get it from. What you failed to understand is that We believe her to have had words from the Holy Spirit, but all our doctrines are from the bible. She did not teach the doctrines, the doctrines were decided upon a lot of people that researched the bible, and then came up with the doctrines. She would confirm or deny them. She never dictated the doctrines and we followed suit. All you have to do is read your bible for yourself, not just parrot what others have told you! Prove your points by quoting the bible not your own thoughts or the thoughts of others!

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes or no, Sda must agree and hold to what EW stated the scriptures meant?

No!

 

[BobRyan]

Yes or no, Sda must agree and hold to what EW stated the scriptures meant?

I keep saying "no" to the things you make up - including that one above... "no"

There is no "Adventists must agree to whatever Ellen White says scripture means" statement --- except under your authorship. It is not in our fundamental beliefs and it is not a real-life reality which is WHY we get to keep having our bible study classes without Ellen White quotes so the public can examine our doctrine and choose to join purely based on what the Bible says "alone"--

And it is that method that results in what ChristianityToday calls the "5th largest Christian denomination" in the world..The fastest growing in the U.S. etc.

How many ways to say this??

 

[BobRyan]

I keep saying "no" to the things you make up - including that one above... "no"

There is no "Adventists must agree to whatever Ellen White says scripture means" statement --- except under your authorship. It is not in our fundamental beliefs and it is not a real-life reality which is WHY we get to keep having our bible study classes without Ellen White quotes so the public and examine our doctrine and choose to join purely based on what the Bible says "alone"

How many ways to say this??

I think we have now reached a point where you are going to keep asking the same question over and over and I can keep reminding you to come back to this post#

So fine.. I will add this as well

I could argue that every Baptist only believes as they are told to believe by their pastor - but that does not make it true. Try something else.

 

[bbbbbbb]

They see themselves as true church, and that one must keep Sabbath, diet laws, and heed Ellen White or face being wiped out!

This is true. Sadly, they are neither the only nor by any means the largest denomination that has this view.

 

[BobRyan]

Since the two of you are not talking about anything either one of you believes - but rather are making up some ideas for someone else as their supposed belief.. then concluding between the two of you that other people believe whatever you are saying... you at the very least have "agreement" between the two of you on your own ideas.

Might actually be a step forward in the last 2 or 3 pages of posts in terms of trying out that tactic

 

[bbbbbbb]

Since the two of you are not talking about anything either one of you believes - but rather are making up some ideas for someone else as their supposed belief.. then concluding between the two of you that other people believe whatever you are saying... you at the very least have "agreement" between the two of you on your own ideas.

Might actually be a step forward in the last 2 or 3 pages of posts in terms of trying out that tactic

Written as a true and faithful Latter-Day Seventh Day Adventist. My great aunt, who was a thorough-going Former-Day Seventh Day Adventist, would have been horrified at your doctrines.

 

[mmksparbud]

Written as a true and faithful Latter-Day Seventh Day Adventist. My great aunt, who was a thorough-going Former-Day Seventh Day Adventist, would have been horrified at your doctrines.

LOL! Again, please post actual statements from EGW or the doctrines of the church and not your own believes or those of others. Substantiate your claims or don't make them for that is bearing false witness! Only you and Yeshuafan are agreeing with each other, certainly not with us! I've talked with many "former" SDA---all of them had totally wrong perceptions and believes of what we teach. That is why I ask for quotes not opinions. I can not ask your great aunt why she left, my aunt died at just over 100. Staunch SDA to the end. What does that prove? Nothing. Your great aunt proves nothing either!

 

[bbbbbbb]

LOL! Again, please post actual statements from EGW or the doctrines of the church and not your own believes or those of others. Substantiate your claims or don't make them for that is bearing false witness! Only you and Yeshuafan are agreeing with each other, certainly not with us! I've talked with many "former" SDA---all of them had totally wrong perceptions and believes of what we teach. That is why I ask for quotes not opinions. I can not ask your great aunt why she left, my aunt died at just over 100. Staunch SDA to the end. What does that prove? Nothing. Your great aunt proves nothing either!

So, do have any idea where these Former Day Seventh Day Adventists found these ideas? Did you ask them? As for my great aunt, she found her inside the walls of the Seventh Adventist Church each and every Saturday morning. She never left her allegiance to the SDA, even though she did completely and utterly lose her salvation (according to her, not anyone else in the family).

 

[Major1]

not any more than saying "not taking God's name in vain" is still a valid commandment

A bible detail so obvious that all these denominations admit to it.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

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details matter ... still

Hello again Bob.

Believing that Sabbath attendance is required to be kept in order to be saved is not even close to the same thing as using God's name in vain.

One is a WORK of obedience and the other is sin.

 

[Major1]

You must accept the teaching of baptism by immersion in both the baptist and SDA church to be a member of those respective churches... so what?

No sir Bob, that is incorrect.

The Baptist do not require water baptism to be a church member.

 

[Major1]

Utterly ignorant of what is actually taught!! Please, you can disagree with what we teach all you want---0But please do not spread false gossip!! We are not the only faith that is saved, we do consider ourselves to be the remnant church--please name one church that does not consider themselves to have the truth, does your church teach that you are being taught truth or that you are being taught falsehoods? Diet laws are health principles, if you do not wish to follow them, then live with your bad health issues and don't whine about it!! Believing in EGW is not a test of faith and she herself said to not make it a test of faith!! Our doctrines are based on the bible, everyone of them have been proven to be bible based, you may have you own interpretations of those biblical believes. Which is right is between you and God!! Obeying them is from the heart, conviction from the Holy Spirit, anything else means nothing. If one refuses to accept what the bible says, they answer to God, not us!!

Personally, I do not care what denomination you belong to.

However there are several teachings which you as an SDA accept which the basic Protestant church does not accept.

1.
Ellen White Theories: Ellen White is recognized by the Seventh-day Adventist church as having received the gift of prophecy as outlined in Ephesians 4 and 1 Corinthians 12. SDA sees the written works by Ellen White as "a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction,"
according to their fundamental beliefs, as listed by Adventist.org.

2.
Resurrection: SDA believes when a person dies, they remain unconscious until they are resurrected. Eternal life is a gift which God only grants to those who have accepted the sacrifice of Christ on their behalf. By an act of mercy on the part of God, the wicked will be destroyed by fire. Thus, Seventh-day Adventists do not believe that a person goes to heaven for an eternal reward or to hell for never-ending torture immediately upon death.

3.
Investigative judgment: SDA believe in salvation by faith in Christ alone. Good works are seen as evidence of that faith. The investigative or pre-advent judgment, which takes place in heaven before the return of Jesus, reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Jesus and will have a part in the first resurrection and who among the living are abiding in Christ and are ready for translation. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus.

4.
The Second Coming: SDA believes that the second coming of Christ is near and believers should be ready for it at all times. When Christ does come, the righteous Christians who had previously died will be resurrected at that time and taken to heaven. For the following 1,000 years, only Satan and his fallen angels will be living on earth. A second resurrection will occur at the end of that period. At that time Satan and his evil angels, as well as the wicked, will be destroyed. The righteous will then return to a cleansed earth, and establish the New Jerusalem.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Hello again Bob.

Believing that Sabbath attendance is required to be kept in order to be saved is not even close to the same thing as using God's name in vain.

One is a WORK of obedience and the other is sin.

I hate to disagree, but all transgression is sin. James makes it clear that to him who knows the right thing to do and does it not, to him it is sin. Thus, not obeying God is sin.

That said, I am quite convinced that the covenant enacted between God and His people, Israel on Mount Sinai is not at all the New Covenant enacted by God through Jesus Christ for His people, the Church, on Mount Calvary.

 

[mmksparbud]

So, do have any idea where these Former Day Seventh Day Adventists found these ideas? Did you ask them? As for my great aunt, she found her inside the walls of the Seventh Adventist Church each and every Saturday morning. She never left her allegiance to the SDA, even though she did completely and utterly lose her salvation (according to her, not anyone else in the family).

Yes, I did, several on this forum. They totally misunderstood some things. They simply were not paying attention, for whatever reason. Many were at a very tumultuous time in their lives and felt let down, more often by God then by the SDA faith. I have 2 brothers who are out of the faith, they are both angry men, full of hatred--what they can't see is, they are angry at God. I can see it, for I used to be the same way. Our father did much damage. We blamed God and somehow the church, but it took me years to realize my father had his own walk with the Lord, and at every step, he chose his own way, not God's. He will answer for what he did. But we have our own choices to make now. Either for or against God. I choose God, they have not yet and time is very much running out. I was in the world for years, totally did not want to hear from, or about, God in any way. When I finally started to come back to Him, I went looking at every faith out there, in the end, I realized no other stuck to the bible as did the SDA so I came back when I had all my questions answered.
As to your aunt---maybe she thought she lost it---however, she is not the judge of her salvation, God is. She is probably going to have a delightful surprise.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Written as a true and faithful Latter-Day Seventh Day Adventist. My great aunt, who was a thorough-going Former-Day Seventh Day Adventist, would have been horrified at your doctrines.

I read the book by DM Canright, and others on Sda doctrines, and know that no Sda is allowed to hold any understanding of the Bible that would disagree with Ellen Whites viewpoint!

 

[Major1]

I hate to disagree, but all transgression is sin. James makes it clear that to him who knows the right thing to do and does it not, to him it is sin. Thus, not obeying God is sin.

That said, I am quite convinced that the covenant enacted between God and His people, Israel on Mount Sinai is not at all the New Covenant enacted by God through Jesus Christ for His people, the Church, on Mount Calvary.

Oh......I agree 100%. Maybe even 101%.

The way old Bob asked the question was what I was responding. He was trying to say that Sabbath keeping to be saved is just as important as not using Gods name in vain.

NOT keeping the Sabbath is NOT a sin but using God's name in vain is.