How did the universe come into existence?

[Dave Ellis]

Are you looking for man's incomplete ideas about How and When we changed from prehistoric to Human? You won't find any but you will find circular reasoning since evolutionists ALWAYS back up their foolish thinking with another evolutionists foolish thinking. What you don't know is that God told us that the Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in Water. 2Pet3 Are you a Scoffer of the last days? Can you explain HOW God knew what you would say?

There is no difference between the humans in prehistoric times and modern day humans.

The rest of your explanation is pretty well incoherent.

 

[Radrook]

It's not "my effort to separate" those things, I'm accurately describing the Big Bang theory. It describes the expansion of the universe, not where it came from.

The fact you want it to be about something else doesn't matter in the least.

So the Big bang ceases to be mysterious because you prefer to stop at a certain point in order to prevent giving the impression that it is mysterious? OK!

 

[Dave Ellis]

So the Big bang ceases to be mysterious because you prefer to stop at a certain point in order to prevent giving the impression that it is mysterious? OK!

The theory of electromagnetism doesn't describe where electromagnetism came from, it describes how it works.

The Big Bang theory doesn't describe where the universe came from, it describes the process of expansion back to an infinitely dense point.

Your ignorance of what the theory actually describes is not a weakness of my argument.

 

[Radrook]

The theory of electromagnetism doesn't describe where electromagnetism came from, it describes how it works.

The Big Bang theory doesn't describe where the universe came from, it describes the process of expansion back to an infinitely dense point.

Your ignorance of what the theory actually describes is not a weakness of my argument.

I am fully aware of what the BB theory involves and my objection to your evasive replies isn't based on ignorance. It is based on the fact that you are cunningly contradicting yourself in order to avoid the fact that the whole theory is based on an assumption that is mysterious in nature. Calling people who can detect the illogical aspect of your argument ignorant does not nullify the fact that your argument is logically flawed.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia

BTW
There is no need to be an expert in a field of study in order to detect when an argument is logically flawed. Need I be a politician to detect an absurdity in a political speech? Or a medical doctor to detect quackery? Of course no! So your premise that one must be an expert is in itself a logical fallacy via a false premise.

False premise - Wikipedia

 

[variant]

So the Big bang ceases to be mysterious because you prefer to stop at a certain point in order to prevent giving the impression that it is mysterious? OK!

We prefer to stop our theoretical description at the point where we can't go any further without haphazardly guessing (well responcable people do anyway).

The state of existence before we have, even self coherent models to describe it is definitely quite the mystery.

But that just means we don't know. The proposition of Gods don't remove this ignorance, it is a position that feeds upon ignorance.

Religious folks have always latched on to what we don't know to try to insert their preferred deity, but, it's always the same argument from ignorance.

 

[Aman777]

There is no difference between the humans in prehistoric times and modern day humans.

The rest of your explanation is pretty well incoherent.

Then please explain HOW God's superior intelligence got inside Humans and NO other living creature. I predict you will flee from the debate. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

The theory of electromagnetism doesn't describe where electromagnetism came from, it describes how it works.

The Big Bang theory doesn't describe where the universe came from, it describes the process of expansion back to an infinitely dense point.

Your ignorance of what the theory actually describes is not a weakness of my argument.

The problem is with the willing ignorance of today's scientists who do NOT know that Humans came from another world/heaven/universe which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2Pet3:6 They confuse our planet for Adam's, which caused them to "dream up" the False ToE since they evidently cannot understand Genesis. Amen?

 

[Ed1wolf]

I can only think of one reasonable answer. We don't know yet.

No, using a basic law of logic, ie Causality and its corollary, the law of sufficient cause, comes to the reasonable answer of the Christian God/Yahweh.

 

[quatona]

Then please explain HOW God's superior intelligence got inside Humans and NO other living creature.

Wait. Isn´t it you who believes there´s a God, and that "God's superior intelligence got inside Humans"? So wouldn´t it be up to you to explain how?

I predict you will flee from the debate.

Yes, I´m easily worn down.

 

[Aman777]

Wait. Isn´t it you who believes there´s a God, and that "God's superior intelligence got inside Humans"? So wouldn´t it be up to you to explain how?

Yes, I´m easily worn down.

Today's Humans INHERITED our superior intelligence from Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22 We also INHERITED our DNA from the common ancestor of Apes. Since we have both traits, please explain HOW the superior intelligence of God, which was ONLY in Adam and God, got inside Apes. I don't think you can but please try. God Bless you

 

[quatona]

Today's Humans INHERITED our superior intelligence from Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22

Cool story, bro!

We also INHERITED our DNA from the common ancestor of Apes. Since we have both traits, please explain HOW the superior intelligence of God, which was ONLY in Adam and God, got inside Apes.

I´m not sure I understand why you expect me to explain to you that which you believe and I don´t.

 

[variant]

No, using a basic law of logic, ie Causality and its corollary, the law of sufficient cause, comes to the reasonable answer of the Christian God/Yahweh.

I suggest you keep it to this vague word salad rather than try to get from point A to B in detail.

Otherwise people will understand your argument and therefore, be quite reasonably skeptical.

 

[Aman777]

Cool story, bro!

I´m not sure I understand why you expect me to explain to you that which you believe and I don´t.

Then tell us your view. Did we just poof into existence?

 

[variant]

Then tell us your view. Did we just poof into existence?

You're speaking as if thinking there is an intelligent being with universal creation powers explains it any better than that.

The problem here is that God doesn't explain the universe.

 

[quatona]

Then tell us your view.

About what?
But you seem to be reluctant to explain the "how" in the story you´ve just shared. Why is that?

Did we just poof into existence?

Personally, I´ve been told I was born by my mother.

 

[Aman777]

You're speaking as if thinking there is an intelligent being with universal creation powers explains it any better than that.

The problem here is that God doesn't explain the universe.

Sure He does but you probably don't understand. In Gen 1:1 God creates the air, dust and water but death is upon all the matter He created apart from Himself. Then God Himself, in the Image of YHWH/Jesus/Lord God as the Light, comes forth into the physical world to defeat that death and to shape the matter into a perfect physical world with gates made with just One Pearl. In 6 of His Days, He will make a perfect physical world and defeat death. Jesus will finish His work at the end of the present 6th Day by giving dominion or rule over everything to His children and changing every living creature into a vegetarian. Gen 1:28-30

 

[Aman777]

About what?
But you seem to be reluctant to explain the "how" in the story you´ve just shared. Why is that?

Personally, I´ve been told I was born by my mother.

The "how" is Jesus Who is the only God ever formed physically. Jesus made your FIRST mother with His own Hands from Adam's rib.

 

[variant]

Sure He does but you probably don't understand. In Gen 1:1 God creates the air, dust and water but death is upon all the matter He created apart from Himself. Then God Himself, in the Image of YHWH/Jesus/Lord God as the Light, comes forth into the physical world to defeat that death and to shape the matter into a perfect physical world with gates made with just One Pearl. In 6 of His Days, He will make a perfect physical world and defeat death. Jesus will finish His work at the end of the present 6th Day by giving dominion or rule over everything to His children and changing every living creature into a vegetarian. Gen 1:28-30

Simply saying X creates Y doesn't explain anything.

You just acted like having things "poof" into existence was absurd, but you just say "something with the power to poof things into existence did so" and that is supposed to make everything better?

The problem here isn't that I lack understanding of what your saying, just that what you are saying lacks substance.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I am fully aware of what the BB theory involves and my objection to your evasive replies isn't based on ignorance. It is based on the fact that you are cunningly contradicting yourself in order to avoid the fact that the whole theory is based on an assumption that is mysterious in nature. Calling people who can detect the illogical aspect of your argument ignorant does not nullify the fact that your argument is logically flawed.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia

BTW
There is no need to be an expert in a field of study in order to detect when an argument is logically flawed. Need I be a politician to detect an absurdity in a political speech? Or a medical doctor to detect quackery? Of course no! So your premise that one must be an expert is in itself a logical fallacy via a false premise.

False premise - Wikipedia

What logical fallacy have I committed in pointing out that the big bang theory doesn't address what you think it addresses? There is no fallacy there, I'm correcting your mistake by relaying accurate information to you.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Then please explain HOW God's superior intelligence got inside Humans and NO other living creature. I predict you will flee from the debate. God Bless you

Why would I flee from that?

The simple answer is evidently god's superior intelligence did not get inside humans at all, because there's no evidence that god exists.