How did the universe come into existence?

[Aman777]

We didn't go from everyone living semi-nomadic lives to everyone living in cities with fully developed agriculture in one generation. Not even close... In fact there's still some people living in semi-nomadic tribes today, thousands of years after the rise of civilization!

I didn't say we did. It has taken some 10k years for Humans (descendants of Adam) to spread our superior intelligence to the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who descended from WATER. Remember that Adam was formed of the DUST. Humans are His kinds or the kinds Jesus made temporarily which means that we MUST be born again Spiritually, by the Trinity, in order to enter Heaven.

*** It was a gradual process that has taken tens if not hundreds of thousands of years.

History AGREES that it happened SUDDENLY some 11k years ago, in the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia which are just SW of Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat.

Aman777 said: ↑
The DNA evidence was inherited by Humans (descendants of Adam) when Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Like Cain, they married and produced offspring with the prehistoric people (sons of God) who were already here when the Ark arrived.

*** What on earth does that even mean?

It means that Adam's descendants can produce offspring with the sons of God or prehistoric people. The population of Planet Earth has gone from some 1 Million to more than 7 Billion Humans alive today, since Noah brought Adam's superior intelligence to this planet of the sons of God (prehistoric people) Gen 6:4

*** That's utterly ridiculous in every sense.

Except historically, since the first farming, city building and EVERY other trait of modern Humans SUDDENLY appeared with the arrival of the Ark in Lake Van, which is between Mt Ararat and the center of the Fertile Crescent. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

*** It's amusing you'd pick that verse to prove your point. Did you happen to notice that the gods speak in plural?

That's because that verse is a holdover from the earliest times of Judaism, when they believed in a pantheon of gods. Not the "one true god" that Jews and Christians worship today.

God has always been a Trinity composed of the invisible Spirit of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. He's the Creator and exists physically ONLY in YHWH/Jesus Christ. God is One and Jesus is the only God you will ever see. When you've seen Him, you've seen the Father. In Genesis One God creates "Their" kinds, and Jesus makes "His" kinds. God Bless you

 

[Dave Ellis]

I didn't say we did. It has taken some 10k years for Humans (descendants of Adam) to spread our superior intelligence to the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who descended from WATER. Remember that Adam was formed of the DUST. Humans are His kinds or the kinds Jesus made temporarily which means that we MUST be born again Spiritually, by the Trinity, in order to enter Heaven.

Citation needed

History AGREES that it happened SUDDENLY some 11k years ago, in the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia which are just SW of Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat.

Suddenly doesn't mean one generation. Suddenly in historical terms still takes some time. Once people figured out they could plant crops and settle in one area, human life flourished. It was the dawn of the agricultural revolution. However it would have taken at least a century or two from the time humans first started planting crops to seeing the first large settlements.

And such things are not uncommon to human history. The industrial revolution suddenly changed the prosperity of humans, however it also lasted a century or so. Look at the period we are in, 120 years ago the horse and buggy was the primary mode of transportation and electricity wasn't a part of most people's lives. Now we routinely go to space and have the internet. That was during the time my great grandmother was alive.

Sudden change happens sometimes, figuring out how to plant crops would transform a nomadic society. It wouldn't take long to build cities, but it wouldn't happen overnight. It would take a number of generations.

The DNA evidence was inherited by Humans (descendants of Adam) when Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Like Cain, they married and produced offspring with the prehistoric people (sons of God) who were already here when the Ark arrived.

How did Noah's grandsons have offspring with anyone other than was on the boat? Everything else died. Even within your own story your claims make no sense.

It means that Adam's descendants can produce offspring with the sons of God or prehistoric people. The population of Planet Earth has gone from some 1 Million to more than 7 Billion Humans alive today, since Noah brought Adam's superior intelligence to this planet of the sons of God (prehistoric people) Gen 6:4

There's no difference between prehistoric people and early humans. I'm not sure why you're even making a distinction.

Except historically, since the first farming, city building and EVERY other trait of modern Humans SUDDENLY appeared with the arrival of the Ark in Lake Van, which is between Mt Ararat and the center of the Fertile Crescent. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

That's just flat out wrong. Agriculture sprouted up independently in many areas of the globe. China, the new world, the fertile crescent and many other places. The dates for when things were cultivated and domesticated literally spans over thousands of years.

God has always been a Trinity composed of the invisible Spirit of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. He's the Creator and exists physically ONLY in YHWH/Jesus Christ. God is One and Jesus is the only God you will ever see. When you've seen Him, you've seen the Father. In Genesis One God creates "Their" kinds, and Jesus makes "His" kinds. God Bless you

Except you're referring to a Jewish text, and the Jews don't believe in the trinity, and never have. You're attempting to reinterpret the text post hoc to fit your own beliefs.

If it was a new testament verse, you may have a valid point. But not Old Testament, especially if you knew your history of how the scriptures were compiled.

 

[Peter1000]

I reject your premises. There's no reason to believe Adam existed or that we all descended from him.

In fact, the genetic evidence proves we didn't descend from a single person.

What happened to Lucy? I thought science proved we all came from a woman by the name of Lucy (I hope that is right) and she came out of Africa. Has that been discredited now?

 

[Dave Ellis]

What happened to Lucy? I thought science proved we all came from a woman by the name of Lucy (I hope that is right) and she came out of Africa. Has that been discredited now?

No.... your claim is just flat out wrong.

Lucy is an Australopithecus Afarensis. That's a close relation to Homo Sapiens which came later, however we don't know if we directly evolved from them or not.

Basically, Lucy is a fossil of an extinct form of hominid. I don't know where you heard the idea that all of humanity came from her, science has never made that claim.

 

[Aman777]

Citation needed

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

*** Suddenly doesn't mean one generation. Suddenly in historical terms still takes some time. Once people figured out they could plant crops and settle in one area, human life flourished. It was the dawn of the agricultural revolution. However it would have taken at least a century or two from the time humans first started planting crops to seeing the first large settlements.

Amen, since it was Noah's great grandson Nimrod who built Babel. Gen 10:10 Noah was the first Human farmer on this Planet since the sons of God (Prehistoric people) had not inherited the superior intelligence of Adam. Gen 3:22 In the 6 million years BEFORE the Ark arrived, they not only didn't build a single city, but they also were too dumb to plant a crop.

*** And such things are not uncommon to human history. The industrial revolution suddenly changed the prosperity of humans, however it also lasted a century or so. Look at the period we are in, 120 years ago the horse and buggy was the primary mode of transportation and electricity wasn't a part of most people's lives. Now we routinely go to space and have the internet. That was during the time my great grandmother was alive.

Sudden change happens sometimes, figuring out how to plant crops would transform a nomadic society. It wouldn't take long to build cities, but it wouldn't happen overnight. It would take a number of generations.

Amen. Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the prehistoric people who numbered one million when the Ark arrived 11k years ago, in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. History agrees and calls the area first farmed the Cradle of Human civilization on this earth. Northern Mesopotamia is within walking distance of Lake Van.

** How did Noah's grandsons have offspring with anyone other than was on the boat? Everything else died. Even within your own story your claims make no sense.

There's no difference between prehistoric people and early humans. I'm not sure why you're even making a distinction.

Then, WHY did the first Human farming begin exactly where the Ark arrived and the first Human cities were built exactly where Genesis 10 tells us? Some are still there and they are the world's oldest Human cities.

*** That's just flat out wrong. Agriculture sprouted up independently in many areas of the globe. China, the new world, the fertile crescent and many other places. The dates for when things were cultivated and domesticated literally spans over thousands of years.

Amen, another proof of God since Noah's descendants (Humans) were scattered over the face of the whole earth from Babel.

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

See? The sons of God NEVER built a city nor grew a crop. The Lord scattered Noah's descendants and Farming began ALL over the world as Humans (descendants of Adam) spread their Humanity to the sons of God. (prehistoric people) Gen 6:4 God's success is that there were only 1 million prehistoric people here 11k years ago and today there are more than 7 Billion Humans alive.

*** Except you're referring to a Jewish text, and the Jews don't believe in the trinity, and never have. You're attempting to reinterpret the text post hoc to fit your own beliefs.

Do you really follow the Jewish religion? I don't. I read Genesis for what it says to the people of the last days when increased knowledge has given us a better understanding, just as the Lord told Daniel. Dan 12:4 Ancient Jews could NOT have understood the Bible EXCEPT by faith, and that is what God wanted.

*** If it was a new testament verse, you may have a valid point. But not Old Testament, especially if you knew your history of how the scriptures were compiled.

Doesn't matter since the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture: 2Pe 1:21

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of ALL things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

I'm not sure what that map proves...

Amen, since it was Noah's great grandson Nimrod who built Babel. Gen 10:10 Noah was the first Human farmer on this Planet since the sons of God (Prehistoric people) had not inherited the superior intelligence of Adam. Gen 3:22 In the 6 million years BEFORE the Ark arrived, they not only didn't build a single city, but they also were too dumb to plant a crop.

I don't suppose you have any evidence to back up your absurd claim, do you?

Amen. Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the prehistoric people who numbered one million when the Ark arrived 11k years ago, in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. History agrees and calls the area first farmed the Cradle of Human civilization on this earth. Northern Mesopotamia is within walking distance of Lake Van.

If there were no other humans, then there'd be nobody to mate with. Humans can't mate with non-humans.


** How did Noah's grandsons have offspring with anyone other than was on the boat? Everything else died. Even within your own story your claims make no sense.

There's no difference between prehistoric people and early humans. I'm not sure why you're even making a distinction.

Then, WHY did the first Human farming begin exactly where the Ark arrived and the first Human cities were built exactly where Genesis 10 tells us? Some are still there and they are the world's oldest Human cities.

Actually, the first domesticated crop was rice, and that happened in China up to 11,500 years ago. They started domesticating grains and wheat in Mesopotamia about 8,500-9,000 years ago.

Amen, another proof of God since Noah's descendants (Humans) were scattered over the face of the whole earth from Babel.

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

See? The sons of God NEVER built a city nor grew a crop. The Lord scattered Noah's descendants and Farming began ALL over the world as Humans (descendants of Adam) spread their Humanity to the sons of God. (prehistoric people) Gen 6:4 God's success is that there were only 1 million prehistoric people here 11k years ago and today there are more than 7 Billion Humans alive.

Except there never was a flood.... and if there was, then where did these one million people suddenly appear from? How did they survive the flood? If we're talking in the time of Noah to Noah's grandchildren, there's no way they'd have a million people to deal with even if that myth was actually true.

Do you really follow the Jewish religion? I don't. I read Genesis for what it says to the people of the last days when increased knowledge has given us a better understanding, just as the Lord told Daniel. Dan 12:4 Ancient Jews could NOT have understood the Bible EXCEPT by faith, and that is what God wanted.

You don't have to follow the Jewish religion, however if you're reading Jewish holy texts, then you should read them as they were written.

Doesn't matter since the Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture: 2Pe 1:21

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of ALL things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

Actually, the people who wrote the books are the authors. If you want to claim it was anyone else, you need to prove that.

 

[quatona]

I am aware of only 2 possible answers to this question.

1) A random chance happening.
2) A Superior Being that had the knowledge to create.

The question is: Is there any other possible ways the universe could have come into existence besides the 2 ways that I have given above?

Thank you for your response.

The problem with the wording of the 2nd option: It´s too narrow.
Actually, it should read: Something exceptional (i.e. something that we don´t observe happening within the universe) took place.
The "Superiour Being created it" idea is just one of countless possibilities of such an exceptional occurance, even though it´s the one you like best.

It seems to me that the distinction you are trying to put into word here is (minus the presumptions and rashed conclusions):
Either it was intended or it wasn´t intended.

 

[Moral Orel]

What happened to Lucy? I thought science proved we all came from a woman by the name of Lucy (I hope that is right) and she came out of Africa. Has that been discredited now?

No.... your claim is just flat out wrong.

Lucy is an Australopithecus Afarensis. That's a close relation to Homo Sapiens which came later, however we don't know if we directly evolved from them or not.

Basically, Lucy is a fossil of an extinct form of hominid. I don't know where you heard the idea that all of humanity came from her, science has never made that claim.

He's probably talking about Mitochondrial Eve. Mitochondrial Eve ain't Lucy, though. And not everyone on Earth is descended from her, like people want to suggest.

The name "Mitochondrial Eve" alludes to biblical Eve. This has led to repeated misrepresentations or misconceptions in journalistic accounts on the topic. Unlike her biblical namesake, she was not the only living human female of her time. The title of "Mitochondrial Eve" is not permanently fixed to a single individual, but rather shifts forward in time over the course of human history as the Eve maternal mtDNA lineage becomes extinct. Her female contemporaries, though they may have descendants alive today, do not have any alive who have descend in an unbroken female line.

 

[Dave Ellis]

He's probably talking about Mitochondrial Eve. Mitochondrial Eve ain't Lucy, though. And not everyone on Earth is descended from her, like people want to suggest.

Sure, we have evidence for a mitochondrial eve. However that's a far cry from the eve depicted in the bible. There would have been thousands and thousands of other people like her at her time, we all just happened to descend from her bloodline.

 

[Aman777]

I'm not sure what that map proves...

Many things. It shows the FIRST Human farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans appeared suddenly just SW of Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat, when the Ark arrived. From there, Humans (descendants of Adam) were scattered all over the face of the earth by the LORD since there was NO other way for farming to begin everywhere at about the same time since there was NO way to scatter Humans, at the time for mankind but NOT for the LORD.

Aman777 said: ↑
Amen, since it was Noah's great grandson Nimrod who built Babel. Gen 10:10 Noah was the first Human farmer on this Planet since the sons of God (Prehistoric people) had not inherited the superior intelligence of Adam. Gen 3:22 In the 6 million years BEFORE the Ark arrived, they not only didn't build a single city, but they also were too dumb to plant a crop.

*** I don't suppose you have any evidence to back up your absurd claim, do you?

Sure, since people were called prehistoric before the Ark arrived 11k years ago because they were NOT Humans. They were the sons of God made from WATER on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Why do you suppose their bones are still being found today? The bones are real but the traditional religious view is not since it cannot explain their remains.

*** If there were no other humans, then there'd be nobody to mate with. Humans can't mate with non-humans.

Gen 6:1 ¶ And it came to pass, when men (Heb-Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 ¶ And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (Adam) for that he also is flesh: (like the sons of God) yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Adam) and they bare children to them, the same (children) became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The reason is simple if you understand that God the Trinity made the sons of God Gen 1:21 from water, and Lord God/Jesus made Adam, the first Human Gen 2:7 from the dust of the ground. IOW, We are His/Jesus kinds. Prehistoric man was "Their" kinds, The Trinity's kind. Today's Humans are a combination of His and Their kinds.

** How did Noah's grandsons have offspring with anyone other than was on the boat? Everything else died. Even within your own story your claims make no sense.

There's no difference between prehistoric people and early humans. I'm not sure why you're even making a distinction.

Because it's the answer to what are "Kinds" which scientists, evolutionists and unbelievers ask all the time. Now you know.

*** Actually, the first domesticated crop was rice, and that happened in China up to 11,500 years ago. They started domesticating grains and wheat in Mesopotamia about 8,500-9,000 years ago.

Since rice grows wild, how do you know it was 500 years before the first Humans arrived, that the Chinese, according to them, were Humans (descendants of Adam) before Noah arrived? Sounds like the Humans who were scattered from Babel arrived in China really quickly. We'll have to ask Jesus how long their journey was.

*** Except there never was a flood.... and if there was, then where did these one million people suddenly appear from? How did they survive the flood? If we're talking in the time of Noah to Noah's grandchildren, there's no way they'd have a million people to deal with even if that myth was actually true.

The flood totally destroyed Adam's entire world/firmament/self sufficient Universe or whatever you wish to call it. 2Pet3:6 God, the Holy Spirit calls it the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, in past tense in the next verse. Here's how:

On the 150th day after the flood began, the Ark was above the tallest mountains on Adam's Earth. Gen 7:24 On the SAME 150th day after the flood began, the Ark was resting upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 As the solid firmament or boundary of Adam's world sank in Lake Van, the Ark was released into our world as the bottom half of the firmament sank to the bottom of the Lake. Adam's world was totally destroyed 2Pet3:6 and Humans, the descendants of Adam, arrived on Earth bringing Adam's superior intelligence to our Earth. That's God's literal Truth.

*** You don't have to follow the Jewish religion, however if you're reading Jewish holy texts, then you should read them as they were written.

Actually, the people who wrote the books are the authors. If you want to claim it was anyone else, you need to prove that.

Sure.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration (God breathed) of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit moved early Christians to speak and write His Truth from inside the men who penned the words. The men wrote what the Holy Spirit moved them to write. God Bless you

 

[Dave Ellis]

Many things. It shows the FIRST Human farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans appeared suddenly just SW of Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat, when the Ark arrived. From there, Humans (descendants of Adam) were scattered all over the face of the earth by the LORD since there was NO other way for farming to begin everywhere at about the same time since there was NO way to scatter Humans, at the time for mankind but NOT for the LORD.

Aman777 said: ↑
Amen, since it was Noah's great grandson Nimrod who built Babel. Gen 10:10 Noah was the first Human farmer on this Planet since the sons of God (Prehistoric people) had not inherited the superior intelligence of Adam. Gen 3:22 In the 6 million years BEFORE the Ark arrived, they not only didn't build a single city, but they also were too dumb to plant a crop.

*** I don't suppose you have any evidence to back up your absurd claim, do you?

Sure, since people were called prehistoric before the Ark arrived 11k years ago because they were NOT Humans. They were the sons of God made from WATER on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Why do you suppose their bones are still being found today? The bones are real but the traditional religious view is not since it cannot explain their remains.

*** If there were no other humans, then there'd be nobody to mate with. Humans can't mate with non-humans.

Gen 6:1 ¶ And it came to pass, when men (Heb-Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 ¶ And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (Adam) for that he also is flesh: (like the sons of God) yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Adam) and they bare children to them, the same (children) became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The reason is simple if you understand that God the Trinity made the sons of God Gen 1:21 from water, and Lord God/Jesus made Adam, the first Human Gen 2:7 from the dust of the ground. IOW, We are His/Jesus kinds. Prehistoric man was "Their" kinds, The Trinity's kind. Today's Humans are a combination of His and Their kinds.

** How did Noah's grandsons have offspring with anyone other than was on the boat? Everything else died. Even within your own story your claims make no sense.

There's no difference between prehistoric people and early humans. I'm not sure why you're even making a distinction.

Because it's the answer to what are "Kinds" which scientists, evolutionists and unbelievers ask all the time. Now you know.

*** Actually, the first domesticated crop was rice, and that happened in China up to 11,500 years ago. They started domesticating grains and wheat in Mesopotamia about 8,500-9,000 years ago.

Since rice grows wild, how do you know it was 500 years before the first Humans arrived, that the Chinese, according to them, were Humans (descendants of Adam) before Noah arrived? Sounds like the Humans who were scattered from Babel arrived in China really quickly. We'll have to ask Jesus how long their journey was.

*** Except there never was a flood.... and if there was, then where did these one million people suddenly appear from? How did they survive the flood? If we're talking in the time of Noah to Noah's grandchildren, there's no way they'd have a million people to deal with even if that myth was actually true.

The flood totally destroyed Adam's entire world/firmament/self sufficient Universe or whatever you wish to call it. 2Pet3:6 God, the Holy Spirit calls it the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, in past tense in the next verse. Here's how:

On the 150th day after the flood began, the Ark was above the tallest mountains on Adam's Earth. Gen 7:24 On the SAME 150th day after the flood began, the Ark was resting upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 As the solid firmament or boundary of Adam's world sank in Lake Van, the Ark was released into our world as the bottom half of the firmament sank to the bottom of the Lake. Adam's world was totally destroyed 2Pet3:6 and Humans, the descendants of Adam, arrived on Earth bringing Adam's superior intelligence to our Earth. That's God's literal Truth.

*** You don't have to follow the Jewish religion, however if you're reading Jewish holy texts, then you should read them as they were written.

Actually, the people who wrote the books are the authors. If you want to claim it was anyone else, you need to prove that.

Sure.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration (God breathed) of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit moved early Christians to speak and write His Truth from inside the men who penned the words. The men wrote what the Holy Spirit moved them to write. God Bless you

Linking bible verses isn't evidence. I asked for evidence.

Please go back and redo this post including something that will actually prove your points.

 

[Aman777]

Many things. It shows the FIRST Human farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans appeared suddenly just SW of Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat, when the Ark arrived. From there, Humans (descendants of Adam) were scattered all over the face of the earth by the LORD since there was NO other way for farming to begin everywhere at about the same time since there was NO way to scatter Humans, at the time for mankind but NOT for the LORD.

You asked for "a redo" and I showed you HOW Humans were scattered all over the Earth at about the same time, which explains WHY farming started all over the Earth at about the same time. Instead of trying to refute my evidence, you ask for more. How much more will you require?

Soon, some treasure hunters will find Adam's firmament since it's on the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey. The firmament is the solid boundary of Adam's world just as the Cosmic Radiation Background is the boundary of our world/universe. The firmament protected the first Earth for Billions of years before it sank 11k years ago, when the windows on top of the firmament were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights and the Ark brought Humanity to our world.

The miles wide firmament is empirical (testable) evidence of life from BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. When it's discovered, will you believe?

 

[Dave Ellis]

You asked for "a redo" and I showed you HOW Humans were scattered all over the Earth at about the same time, which explains WHY farming started all over the Earth at about the same time. Instead of trying to refute my evidence, you ask for more. How much more will you require?

Soon, some treasure hunters will find Adam's firmament since it's on the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey. The firmament is the solid boundary of Adam's world just as the Cosmic Radiation Background is the boundary of our world/universe. The firmament protected the first Earth for Billions of years before it sank 11k years ago, when the windows on top of the firmament were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights and the Ark brought Humanity to our world.

The miles wide firmament is empirical (testable) evidence of life from BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. When it's discovered, will you believe?

No, you made a bunch of unsupported assertions. Linking a map of the middle east and a handful of bible verses don't come close to proving your wild claims.

Oddly enough in this post you've clearly stated that the evidence will soon be discovered.... that means it hasn't been discovered yet. If you acknowledge the evidence hasn't been discovered, then what evidence are you saying you gave me?

If verifiable evidence is presented for any claim, I'll accept the claim. However you haven't even come close to providing evidence for anything.

 

[Aman777]

No, you made a bunch of unsupported assertions. Linking a map of the middle east and a handful of bible verses don't come close to proving your wild claims.

Oddly enough in this post you've clearly stated that the evidence will soon be discovered.... that means it hasn't been discovered yet. If you acknowledge the evidence hasn't been discovered, then what evidence are you saying you gave me?

If verifiable evidence is presented for any claim, I'll accept the claim. However you haven't even come close to providing evidence for anything.

The map is man's History of the Fertile Crescent which began just south of Lake Van, Turkey where the 450 ft Ark arrived in the mountains of Ararat exactly as God told us in Gen 8:4. Noah walked down from the mile high Lake into the valleys of northern Mesopotamia to plant himself some grapes and get drunk and naked and pass out in his tent. Gen 9:21 It's evidence that Noah was indeed just like many Humans today but unlike the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were already here 11k years ago. They didn't have enough sense to make wine until they married and produced children with Humans (descendants of Adam). Today's 7 Billion living Humans have inherited the DNA of Mt. Eve, a prehistoric woman, AND we also have the superior intelligence which ONLY God and Adam had. Gen 3:22

Soon, the discovery of the most valuable object on planet earth is assured since it's discovery is based on the Greed of mankind, which never fails. Amen?

 

[Dave Ellis]

The map is man's History of the Fertile Crescent which began just south of Lake Van, Turkey where the 450 ft Ark arrived in the mountains of Ararat exactly as God told us in Gen 8:4. Noah walked down from the mile high Lake into the valleys of northern Mesopotamia to plant himself some grapes and get drunk and naked and pass out in his tent. Gen 9:21 It's evidence that Noah was indeed just like many Humans today but unlike the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were already here 11k years ago. They didn't have enough sense to make wine until they married and produced children with Humans (descendants of Adam). Today's 7 Billion living Humans have inherited the DNA of Mt. Eve, a prehistoric woman, AND we also have the superior intelligence which ONLY God and Adam had. Gen 3:22

Soon, the discovery of the most valuable object on planet earth is assured since it's discovery is based on the Greed of mankind, which never fails. Amen?

Prove it

 

[Aman777]

Prove it

I don't have to since my job is to implant that idea in your brain BEFORE the scientific announcement. When it happens, you will remember what I told you. Thanks for your interest and God Bless you.

 

[expos4ever]

I don't have to since my job is to implant that idea in your brain BEFORE the scientific announcement. When it happens, you will remember what I told you. Thanks for your interest and God Bless you.

I do not follow this reasoning at all. If we otherwise had no information at our disposal to determine the "history" of the earth then, perhaps, you would have a point. But we have scads and scads of evidence to support the present scientific orthodoxy.

Your argument is like someone who says smoking does not cause cancer and answers objections by saying "you need to wait for the scientific study that shows no link". Well, we already have tons of evidence that smoking causes cancer.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I don't have to since my job is to implant that idea in your brain BEFORE the scientific announcement. When it happens, you will remember what I told you. Thanks for your interest and God Bless you.

Then by definition you hold an unjustified belief, and a blatantly intellectually dishonest one at that.

"I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him."

Abraham Lincoln - 1846

If you openly admit you have no evidence for your claims, however you are asserting the claims are true, you are being flagrantly dishonest. That fact doesn't change even if you wind up being correct, because you have no way of knowing if your statement is true when you made it.

The time to believe a claim is after the evidence has been shown, not before. It's pretty clear you have nothing to offer.

 

[Aman777]

Then by definition you hold an unjustified belief, and a blatantly intellectually dishonest one at that.

"I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him."

Abraham Lincoln - 1846

If you openly admit you have no evidence for your claims, however you are asserting the claims are true, you are being flagrantly dishonest. That fact doesn't change even if you wind up being correct, because you have no way of knowing if your statement is true when you made it.

The time to believe a claim is after the evidence has been shown, not before. It's pretty clear you have nothing to offer.

My way is really easy since all I have to do is understand Genesis chapter one, and I do. I can tell you of future discoveries of science since God told us these things more than three thousand years ago. Here's an example.

I've been telling people for more than a decade that God clearly states in Gen 1:21 that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from WATER. Today's scientists recently announced the SAME in July 2016. That's the way it is when you really understand Genesis chapter one and Science.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/science/last-universal-ancestor.html
Jul 25, 2016 -

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

See how easy?

 

[Dave Ellis]

My way is really easy since all I have to do is understand Genesis chapter one, and I do. I can tell you of future discoveries of science since God told us these things more than three thousand years ago. Here's an example.

I've been telling people for more than a decade that God clearly states in Gen 1:21 that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from WATER. Today's scientists recently announced the SAME in July 2016. That's the way it is when you really understand Genesis chapter one and Science.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/science/last-universal-ancestor.html
Jul 25, 2016 -

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

See how easy?

There's no reason to believe the book of genesis is actually true. There's plenty of claims it makes which are demonstrably false.