How did the universe come into existence?

[Aman777]

There's no reason to believe the book of genesis is actually true. There's plenty of claims it makes which are demonstrably false.

Religion (belief) has confused everyone since the traditional view does NOT agree with the observations of mankind, history or Scripture. Mindless nature does NOT evolve the superior intelligence of Humans in Apes. Apes descended with modifications to the sons of God (prehistoric people) with an animal like intelligence. The sons of God (prehistoric people) INHERITED Adam's unique high intelligence, which is like God's, Gen 3:22 when they produced children with Humans. (descendants of Adam) It's proof of God since ONLY God knew the following and wrote of it more than 3k years ago.

Gen 6:4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

See? The prehistoric children on Adam's Earth became Humans when they inherited Adam's Human intelligence. Without a Literal Adam, we'd still be living in Caves. Notice the "and also after that" which speaks of the SAME thing happening of Planet Earth AFTER the Ark arrives.

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced the hybrid Humans we find today with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived, 11k years ago. The population of the sons of God was some 1 Million people, when the Ark arrived. Today, there are more than 7 Billion hybrid Humans alive on Earth. It's all a part of God's perfect plan.

ALL hybrid Humans have the DNA of Mt. Eve AND the superior intelligence of Adam, just like Cain's descendants had on Adam's Earth. Gen 4:16-22 These verses tell us that the first hybrid Humans had Farming, City building, Smelting and other modern Human traits in one generation after INHERITING the superior intelligence of Adam. The SAME thing happened on our Earth when Noah's grandsons produced children with the prehistoric women on our Planet. Gen 10:10 Noah's great grandson Nimrod built the FIRST Human cities on Planet Earth and History AGREES.

If you don't believe me then TRY to explain the False Theory of the Evolution of Human intelligence, since NO one can explain HOW mindless nature implanted the superior intelligence, which ONLY God and Humans have, in Apes. It's the difference between Humans and animals. Amen?

 

[Radrook]

The problem with the "God created it" explanation is that you have replaced one mystery - the existence of the universe - with another - the existence of God.

I am happy to agree that God created the universe, but it really doesn't lessen the overwhelming mystery.

The problem with the Big Bang Theory which has everything in existence suddenly coming from nothing is that it replaces of one mystery with another.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Religion (belief) has confused everyone since the traditional view does NOT agree with the observations of mankind, history or Scripture. Mindless nature does NOT evolve the superior intelligence of Humans in Apes. Apes descended with modifications to the sons of God (prehistoric people) with an animal like intelligence. The sons of God (prehistoric people) INHERITED Adam's unique high intelligence, which is like God's, Gen 3:22 when they produced children with Humans. (descendants of Adam) It's proof of God since ONLY God knew the following and wrote of it more than 3k years ago.

Gen 6:4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

See? The prehistoric children on Adam's Earth became Humans when they inherited Adam's Human intelligence. Without a Literal Adam, we'd still be living in Caves. Notice the "and also after that" which speaks of the SAME thing happening of Planet Earth AFTER the Ark arrives.

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced the hybrid Humans we find today with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived, 11k years ago. The population of the sons of God was some 1 Million people, when the Ark arrived. Today, there are more than 7 Billion hybrid Humans alive on Earth. It's all a part of God's perfect plan.

ALL hybrid Humans have the DNA of Mt. Eve AND the superior intelligence of Adam, just like Cain's descendants had on Adam's Earth. Gen 4:16-22 These verses tell us that the first hybrid Humans had Farming, City building, Smelting and other modern Human traits in one generation after INHERITING the superior intelligence of Adam. The SAME thing happened on our Earth when Noah's grandsons produced children with the prehistoric women on our Planet. Gen 10:10 Noah's great grandson Nimrod built the FIRST Human cities on Planet Earth and History AGREES.

If you don't believe me then TRY to explain the False Theory of the Evolution of Human intelligence, since NO one can explain HOW mindless nature implanted the superior intelligence, which ONLY God and Humans have, in Apes. It's the difference between Humans and animals. Amen?

You sir, are fascinating.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Religion (belief) has confused everyone since the traditional view does NOT agree with the observations of mankind, history or Scripture. Mindless nature does NOT evolve the superior intelligence of Humans in Apes. Apes descended with modifications to the sons of God (prehistoric people) with an animal like intelligence. The sons of God (prehistoric people) INHERITED Adam's unique high intelligence, which is like God's, Gen 3:22 when they produced children with Humans. (descendants of Adam) It's proof of God since ONLY God knew the following and wrote of it more than 3k years ago.

Gen 6:4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

See? The prehistoric children on Adam's Earth became Humans when they inherited Adam's Human intelligence. Without a Literal Adam, we'd still be living in Caves. Notice the "and also after that" which speaks of the SAME thing happening of Planet Earth AFTER the Ark arrives.

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced the hybrid Humans we find today with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were ALREADY here when Noah arrived, 11k years ago. The population of the sons of God was some 1 Million people, when the Ark arrived. Today, there are more than 7 Billion hybrid Humans alive on Earth. It's all a part of God's perfect plan.

ALL hybrid Humans have the DNA of Mt. Eve AND the superior intelligence of Adam, just like Cain's descendants had on Adam's Earth. Gen 4:16-22 These verses tell us that the first hybrid Humans had Farming, City building, Smelting and other modern Human traits in one generation after INHERITING the superior intelligence of Adam. The SAME thing happened on our Earth when Noah's grandsons produced children with the prehistoric women on our Planet. Gen 10:10 Noah's great grandson Nimrod built the FIRST Human cities on Planet Earth and History AGREES.

If you don't believe me then TRY to explain the False Theory of the Evolution of Human intelligence, since NO one can explain HOW mindless nature implanted the superior intelligence, which ONLY God and Humans have, in Apes. It's the difference between Humans and animals. Amen?

I asked you to provide proof, however all you've done is to put forward more baseless assertions and bible verses.

Do you have proof or not?

 

[Dave Ellis]

The problem with the Big Bang Theory which has everything in existence suddenly coming from nothing is that it replaces of one mystery with another.

The Big Bang theory does not say everything came from nothing. It says everything started expanding from an infinitely dense point.

We have no idea what caused that to happen, which is something scientists are trying to figure out.

 

[Radrook]

The Big Bang theory does not say everything came from nothing. It says everything started expanding from an infinitely dense point.

We have no idea what caused that to happen, which is something scientists are trying to figure out.

Still the same effect of substituting one mystery with another.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Still the same effect of substituting one mystery with another.

Not really, we can trace things back in time to a certain point. We have a pretty good idea of what happened right back to the Planck time.

Admitting our ignorance on certain topics does not constitute an appeal to mystery.

 

[Radrook]

Not really, we can trace things back in time to a certain point. We have a pretty good idea of what happened right back to the Planck time.

Admitting our ignorance on certain topics does not constitute an appeal to mystery.

Admission of ignorance of what transpired before does indeed mean that you are appealing to a mysterious event as an explanation.

BTW
Obviously I am not referring to things that you have a pretty good idea about.

 

[Dave Ellis]

It is a mystery but yet you are not appealing to a mystery as an explanation? How does that work? Seems like word acrobatics to me.

BTW
Obviously I am not referring to things that you have a pretty good idea about.

Appealing to a mystery would mean we don't know the explanation, and we accept that we will likely never know.

"God works in mysterious ways" is an appeal to a mystery. We don't know what or why something happened, however we don't research more into it because god works in mysterious ways. We have appealed to the mystery that is god, and accepted we will probably never know.

Saying we don't know how something works, but then researching how that thing works is the basic fundamental point of science. Every scientific discovery in history started from a point of ignorance.

In short, appealing to a mystery is to be content in our ignorance. Science tries to eliminate our ignorance through research.

 

[Radrook]

Appealing to a mystery would mean we don't know the explanation, and we accept that we will likely never know.

"God works in mysterious ways" is an appeal to a mystery. We don't know what or why something happened, however we don't research more into it because god works in mysterious ways. We have appealed to the mystery that is god, and accepted we will probably never know.

Saying we don't know how something works, but then researching how that thing works is the basic fundamental point of science. Every scientific discovery in history started from a point of ignorance.

In short, appealing to a mystery is to be content in our ignorance. Science tries to eliminate our ignorance through research.

The problem is that saying you don't know does not remove the hypothetical explanation from the category of the mysterious. In fact, it reinforces that meaning.

It still remains essentially:

• baffling
• cryptic
• enigmatic

• obscure
• perplexing
• puzzling
• unknown
• weird
• difficult

 

[Dave Ellis]

The problem is that saying you don't know does not remove the hypothetical explanation from the category of the mysterious. In fact, it reinforces that meaning.

It still remains essentially:

• baffling
• cryptic
• enigmatic

• obscure
• perplexing
• puzzling
• unknown
• weird
• difficult

You're conflating the fact we have a mystery with an appeal to that mystery.

Researching possible solutions is an effort to solve the mystery, which is the exact opposite of an appeal to a mystery.

 

[Radrook]

You're conflating the fact we have a mystery with an appeal to that mystery.

Researching possible solutions is an effort to solve the mystery, which is the exact opposite of an appeal to a mystery.

You are postulating a false dilemma by describing a mystery and an appeal to a mystery as mutually exclusive which they are not. You can both have a mystery and appeal to it.


BTW
Appeal merely means that you are using it as an explanation.

Obviously you are definitely using the BB theory to explain how the present universes emerged while simultaneously admitting that you don’t know absolutely nothing about its origin or what caused it. In short, you are seriously contradicting yourself.

Neither does your searching for an answer change the nature of your appeal.

 

[Dave Ellis]

You are postulating a false dilemma by describing a mystery and an appeal to a mystery as mutually exclusive which they are not. You can both have a mystery and appeal to it.

No I'm not, in fact it's a requirement to have a mystery in order to appeal to it.

I've never stated otherwise.

BTW
Appeal merely means that you are using it as an explanation.

Obviously you are definitely using tye BB theory to explain how the present universes we emerged while simultaneously admitting that you don’t know absolutely nothing about its origin or what caused it. In short, you are seriously contradicting yourself.

Neither does your searching for an answer change the nature of your appeal.

And there's nothing mysterious within the Big Bang theory. The theory describes the expansion of the universe from an infinitely dense point. We have plenty of evidence for that happening, and a pretty good idea of how things happened.

The Big Bang theory does not deal with how that point got there, it deals with the expansion. The expansion is not all that mysterious.

Lastly, saying "we don't know" is not an explanation. Therefore it's not an appeal to mystery.

"God works in mysterious ways" is an attempt at an explanation, which is why it's an appeal to mystery.

 

[Aman777]

You sir, are fascinating.

It's not me, but God's story of the Creation of the perfect Heaven, which is told in it's entirety in the FIRST Chapter of Genesis. It's proof of God since NO man could have known the Truth scientifically and historically more than 3k years ago and put it all into one chapter with just 31 verses. God Bless you

 

[Radrook]

No I'm not, in fact it's a requirement to have a mystery in order to appeal to it.

I've never stated otherwise.



And there's nothing mysterious within the Big Bang theory. The theory describes the expansion of the universe from an infinitely dense point. We have plenty of evidence for that happening, and a pretty good idea of how things happened.

The Big Bang theory does not deal with how that point got there, it deals with the expansion. The expansion is not all that mysterious.

Lastly, saying "we don't know" is not an explanation. Therefore it's not an appeal to mystery.

"God works in mysterious ways" is an attempt at an explanation, which is why it's an appeal to mystery.

Again! As I previously clearly explained, I am not referring to what you claim to be sure of-I am obviously referring to the aspects of the theory which you have absolutely no clue about.

I consider your saying

"We don't know but believe anyway that somehow in some way, for some reason far beyond our comprehension the material for the Big Bang existed in some mysterious place because it had to otherwise no bang!".... as equivalent to the remark of

"God works in mysterious ways!" Both remarks express ignorance and both are equally appealing to the mysterious.

BTW
I find your effort to separate the BB theory from the mysterious situation that led to it a bit weird. It's like saying that you know how a bunny suddenly popped into your room and walked across the floor but that you have absolutely no idea of how it where it came from or how it came into existence in the first place.

 

[Aman777]

I asked you to provide proof, however all you've done is to put forward more baseless assertions and bible verses.

Do you have proof or not?

Are you looking for man's incomplete ideas about How and When we changed from prehistoric to Human? You won't find any but you will find circular reasoning since evolutionists ALWAYS back up their foolish thinking with another evolutionists foolish thinking. What you don't know is that God told us that the Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in Water. 2Pet3 Are you a Scoffer of the last days? Can you explain HOW God knew what you would say?

 

[Aman777]

The Big Bang theory does not say everything came from nothing. It says everything started expanding from an infinitely dense point.

We have no idea what caused that to happen, which is something scientists are trying to figure out.

Amen, and God told us it happened 3 Days ago on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Lord God/Jesus took some of the air, dust and water, God had created in the beginning, and changed it BACK into Energy, which inflated, then cooled and became our physical Universe. That's God's Truth Scripturally.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I find your effort to separate the BB theory from the mysterious situation that led to it a bit weird. It's like saying that you know how a bunny suddenly popped into your room and walked across the floor but that you have absolutely no idea of how it where it came from or how it came into existence in the first place.

I don't see an issue with that.

You formulate explanations that you have more confidence in based on observable evidence. And if you don't have observable evidence (the "mystery" part), you try to formulate possibilities, none of which you believe in, but hold each as potentially possible.

Theism puts a belief to the mystery. Science does not.

 

[Dave Ellis]

It's not me, but God's story of the Creation of the perfect Heaven, which is told in it's entirety in the FIRST Chapter of Genesis. It's proof of God since NO man could have known the Truth scientifically and historically more than 3k years ago and put it all into one chapter with just 31 verses. God Bless you

I think you just proved ToddNotTodd's point

 

[Dave Ellis]

Again! As I previously clearly explained, I am not referring to what you claim to be sure of-I am obviously referring to the aspects of the theory which you have absolutely no clue about.

I consider your saying

"We don't know but believe anyway that somehow in some way, for some reason far beyond our comprehension the material for the Big Bang existed in some mysterious place because it had to otherwise no bang!".... as equivalent to the remark of

"God works in mysterious ways!" Both remarks express ignorance and both are equally appealing to the mysterious.

BTW
I find your effort to separate the BB theory from the mysterious situation that led to it a bit weird. It's like saying that you know how a bunny suddenly popped into your room and walked across the floor but that you have absolutely no idea of how it where it came from or how it came into existence in the first place.

It's not "my effort to separate" those things, I'm accurately describing the Big Bang theory. It describes the expansion of the universe, not where it came from.

The fact you want it to be about something else doesn't matter in the least.