How did the universe come into existence?

[Dave Ellis]

The problem is with the willing ignorance of today's scientists who do NOT know that Humans came from another world/heaven/universe which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2Pet3:6 They confuse our planet for Adam's, which caused them to "dream up" the False ToE since they evidently cannot understand Genesis. Amen?

Cool story

 

[Dave Ellis]

No, using a basic law of logic, ie Causality and its corollary, the law of sufficient cause, comes to the reasonable answer of the Christian God/Yahweh.

How do you figure that?

 

[Ed1wolf]

I suggest you keep it to this vague word salad rather than try to get from point A to B in detail.

Otherwise people will understand your argument and therefore, be quite reasonably skeptical.

Only hyperskeptical atheists and fake agnostics would be skeptical of logical reasoning that leads to the reasonable conclusion that the Christian God exists.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Only hyperskeptical atheists and fake agnostics would be skeptical of logical reasoning that leads to the reasonable conclusion that the Christian God exists.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, if the reasoning winds up being logical, reasonable and backed by evidence, then we'd have to accept it.

The problem is, I've never been presented with anything that is logically sound and reasonable that shows a god exists. Do you have an example of something?

 

[Radrook]

What logical fallacy have I committed in pointing out that the big bang theory doesn't address what you think it addresses? There is no fallacy there, I'm correcting your mistake by relaying accurate information to you.

I am not saying that your information concerning how the BB works is inaccurate.

 

[quatona]

The "how" is Jesus Who is the only God ever formed physically. Jesus made your FIRST mother with His own Hands from Adam's rib.

Not a description of the how - but whatever.

 

[variant]

Only hyperskeptical atheists and fake agnostics would be skeptical of logical reasoning that leads to the reasonable conclusion that the Christian God exists.

Or all people that are reasonably skeptical of shaky reasoning.

Cosmological arguments are usually quite hollow, thinly veiled appeals to ignorance.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I am not saying that your information concerning how the BB works is inaccurate.

Then what fallacy have I committed?

 

[Radrook]

Then what fallacy have I committed?

No fallacy at all if we eliminate the fact that the presence of the "singularity" you propose expanded for some mysterious reason as well as the mysterious reason for its sudden expansion isn't known.

BTW
You aren't saying that the universe came into existence. Your idea is that it was always there in an infinitely small size-which itself is an impossibility except as a mathematical concept, waiting to expand. That adds even more mystery to the whole scenario.

 

[Aman777]

Simply saying X creates Y doesn't explain anything.

You just acted like having things "poof" into existence was absurd, but you just say "something with the power to poof things into existence did so" and that is supposed to make everything better?

The problem here isn't that I lack understanding of what your saying, just that what you are saying lacks substance.

I don't like to confuse people by telling them too much at first. I did NOT say that things poofed into existence. God changed some of the energy in His world into the air, dust and water in the physical world. Heb 11:3 Albert Einstein learned the SAME thing a hundred years ago by showing that energy and matter are two sides of the same coin. Can you tell us HOW anyone but God KNEW that Fact thousands of years ago? Of course not since it's empirical (testable) proof of God. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Why would I flee from that?

The simple answer is evidently god's superior intelligence did not get inside humans at all, because there's no evidence that god exists.

IF God's superior intelligence had not gotten inside prehistoric people, who descended from the common ancestor of Apes, today's people would STILL be living in Caves tonight. It got there because Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced today's Humans (descendants of Adam) with one of the more than one Million prehistoric people who were here when the Ark arrived. Gen 6:4

Adam was the ONLY living being made with an intelligence like God's which allows Humans to know the difference between good and evil. Gen 3:22 This allows us a free choice to judge and reason, which is something NO other creature has. It's because our destiny is to have dominion or rule over everything living. Gen 1:28

 

[Aman777]

Not a description of the how - but whatever.

You probably didn't notice that the Lord performed the FIRST surgery, showing that it is was possible to take a little bone and a little flesh and make another person. We are finally getting close to being able to take DNA from one person and make another. Can you tell us HOW ancient men knew this? Of course not since it's proof of God. God Bless you

 

[Dave Ellis]

No fallacy at all if we eliminate the fact that the presence of the "singularity" you propose expanded for some mysterious reason as well as the mysterious reason for its sudden expansion isn't known.

That's not fallacious. Saying we know the universe is expanding and started from a very hot dense state is accurate.

We don't know where it came from or why it started expanding, however those parts are not part of the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang addresses what we know, which is the expansion.

Making claims about the parts we don't know would be a fallacious argument from ignorance, that's why we don't do it.

BTW
You aren't saying that the universe came into existence. Your idea is that it was always there in an infinitely small size-which itself is an impossibility except as a mathematical concept, waiting to expand. That adds even more mystery to the whole scenario.

I haven't made that claim at all. I said we don't know what happened before the Planck time.

 

[Dave Ellis]

IF God's superior intelligence had not gotten inside prehistoric people, who descended from the common ancestor of Apes, today's people would STILL be living in Caves tonight. It got there because Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced today's Humans (descendants of Adam) with one of the more than one Million prehistoric people who were here when the Ark arrived. Gen 6:4

Adam was the ONLY living being made with an intelligence like God's which allows Humans to know the difference between good and evil. Gen 3:22 This allows us a free choice to judge and reason, which is something NO other creature has. It's because our destiny is to have dominion or rule over everything living. Gen 1:28

Again, prove it.

 

[Ed1wolf]

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, if the reasoning winds up being logical, reasonable and backed by evidence, then we'd have to accept it.

The problem is, I've never been presented with anything that is logically sound and reasonable that shows a god exists. Do you have an example of something?

Not if your close minded, no amount of logical reasoning will convince someone like that and I have debated with you before, and that is what you appear to be.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Not if your close minded, no amount of logical reasoning will convince someone like that and I have debated with you before, and that is what you appear to be.

I'm open minded, the problem is I keep hearing the same logically flawed arguments over and over again.

I'd love to hear something new that might actually demonstrate the god claims.

 

[variant]

I don't like to confuse people by telling them too much at first. I did NOT say that things poofed into existence. God changed some of the energy in His world into the air, dust and water in the physical world. Heb 11:3 Albert Einstein learned the SAME thing a hundred years ago by showing that energy and matter are two sides of the same coin. Can you tell us HOW anyone but God KNEW that Fact thousands of years ago? Of course not since it's empirical (testable) proof of God. Amen?

The verse you quoted doesn't say anything of the sort.

 

[quatona]

You probably didn't notice that the Lord performed the FIRST surgery, showing that it is was possible to take a little bone and a little flesh and make another person. We are finally getting close to being able to take DNA from one person and make another. Can you tell us HOW ancient men knew this?

Probably in the same way they "knew" that it is possible to take a handful of dirt and make a person. Are you implying that this is what we will be able to do next?

Of course, ancient men didn´t know anything like this - it´s you reverse engineering a prediction into the biblical creation narrative.

 

[Aman777]

Again, prove it.

The proof is inside you since you have the superior intelligence of Adam, a man who was NEVER on this Earth AND you also have the DNA of Mt. Eve. Since NO evolutionist has ANY proof of placing this superior intelligence of God Gen 3:22 inside Apes, I for one, believe God and scoff at the made up attempts of evolutionists to explain. ALSO: They forgot about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. 2Pet3:3-7 Can you tell us HOW God's intelligence got inside Apes?

 

[Dave Ellis]

The proof is inside you since you have the superior intelligence of Adam, a man who was NEVER on this Earth AND you also have the DNA of Mt. Eve. Since NO evolutionist has ANY proof of placing this superior intelligence of God Gen 3:22 inside Apes, I for one, believe God and scoff at the made up attempts of evolutionists to explain. ALSO: They forgot about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. 2Pet3:3-7 Can you tell us HOW God's intelligence got inside Apes?

The fact we have intelligence isn't proof of god.

Try again.