Jamdoc
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One of the reasons I adhere to Pre-wrath is because we are not appointed for wrath, but at the same time we are promised tribulation. God's wrath and the Great Tribulation are not the same things and that is an important distinction for me.Also the poll is kept completely anonymous of who voted. I hope I got every single different view down, it seems there are only 4 options.
My biggest case for believing in pre-trib rapture is that the Bible seems to make clear we are not appointed for wrath, why would God want us going through such a time?
Well the thing about Baptists is they can be all over the place on things like Calvanism vs Arminianism, and Rapture Timing, they don't have official positions because Baptists at large are not really organized, especially outside of certain conventions like the SBC. Independent Fundamental Baptists are a thing and their doctrines vary from church to church because their authority is only in scripture not some earthly hierarchyHowever I sometimes think about post tribulation since many Baptists/Calvinists tend to hold those views and my core beliefs are closest to those 2 denominations.
That is one of the things that I think is goofiest about post trib position, the idea that you can survive the wrath of God through earthly preparations.Some are very serious about post-trib that they prep for it, it really makes a statement about how serious they believe in it.
Whatever your rapture position, the only way to really get through it is to strengthen yourself in the Lord, and trust Him.
If I'm wrong and it's pre-trib, well then, great, that's a pleasant surprise for me, but if I'm right? I trust that, okay, maybe I'm in the number that's martyred in Revelation 6:9-11, okay, God has decided that that is how I can best serve Him, then that is what I'll do. I trust that since He moved me to die for His name, that He will make good on that. Jesus promised that whomsoever loses their life for His sake will find it (and to the preppers, whomsoever shall seek to save his life will lose it, Matthew 16:25). I will strengthen myself in the Lord and bear with it. No amount of hoarding or prepping would really avail me. Jesus did say for those who would witness the Abomination of Desolation, to just run. Don't hole up, don't prepare, just flee. You don't go back to your house to pack for a trip, you just, flee, even if it's on foot with nothing but your clothes. You trust that God will provide for you, or that if God has determined you are to be a martyr, that He'll see you through it and make good on it.
The same holds true if post trib is right, by the time we're talking about the wrath of God in the trumpets and vials? No earthly preparation would avail you. None. It's the faithless that hide in bunkers at the 6th seal asking for the rocks to hide them.
it's not going to do any good.
all you can do is strengthen yourself in the Lord and trust God.
As for my research on this matter, I have only so far skimmed the surface. Recently has been my 3rd year since my conversion.
I only took a firm stance on the subject in the last few years and I have been saved for over a quarter of a century.
It was simply a topic I didn't really pay attention to until late 2019.. I don't know why I suddenly took an interest in bible prophecy right around December of 2019.. but I just did, I took an interest in going back to church at the same time, which prior to that It'd been awhile since I'd actually been to Church. I was a backslider.
As for my confidence.. I honestly wish I could be confident in pre trib, I really wish I could. but every time I read through scripture I just find more and more evidence pointing to pre-wrath.
One of the most profound is the realization that at Revelation 6:12-13, by Jesus' own definitions in Matthew 24:29, the Great Tribulation is over.
Everything that happens after Revelation 6:12-13, is not the Great Tribulation.
which means that Jesus has a very specific definition for what Great Tribulation means and it is not just "bad stuff that happens during the 70th week of Daniel".
you might think, how is that possible?! The Mark of the Beast isn't until Revelation 13!
well, it reinforces to me that Revelation is not in Chronological Order.
Jesus said immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun and moon would be darkened, Jesus was referring to the Great Tribulation, and the darkening of the sun and moon takes place at the 6th seal.
So everything post 6th seal is no longer the Great Tribulation, according to Jesus.
The mark of the beast must therefore be taking place before the 6th seal (I equate the Mark of the Beast to be taking place during the 5th seal)
The position fits with everything consistently, that God WILL let us endure persecution on Earth by other men, even to death, because it strengthens our witness.
But God has promised not to subject us to HIS wrath.
Noah, endured persecution, delivered from God's wrath
Lot, endured persecution and threats by men, delivered from God's wrath
those are the two examples we have directly from Jesus.
Isaiah 26, resurrection happens before the Indignation (wrath), the resurrection happens just prior to the rapture.
Daniel 12, the resurrection happens after the tribulation
It just all piles up, and when I can see Jesus in the pages of Revelation 6:12-17, and I can see Jesus in the pages of Revelation 14:14-20
I get excited because.. I know, I can see in the Word of God, Jesus coming back to take His church, not to be confused with Revelation 19 where Jesus comes back with His church. Every time people want to claim that Revelation 19 is the second coming, I think they're blind for not seeing Him in Revelation 6 and 14 (same event btw, but NOT the same event as Revelation 19)
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