How confident are you about your rapture beliefs?

Which belief are you the most confident on?

  • Pre-trib rapture

    Votes: 5 15.2%
  • Pre-wrath rapture

    Votes: 5 15.2%
  • Mid-trib rapture

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Post-trib rapture

    Votes: 10 30.3%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 11 33.3%

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JohnB445

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Also the poll is kept completely anonymous of who voted. I hope I got every single different view down, it seems there are only 4 options.

My biggest case for believing in pre-trib rapture is that the Bible seems to make clear we are not appointed for wrath, why would God want us going through such a time? However I sometimes think about post tribulation since many Baptists/Calvinists tend to hold those views and my core beliefs are closest to those 2 denominations.

Some are very serious about post-trib that they prep for it, it really makes a statement about how serious they believe in it.

As for my research on this matter, I have only so far skimmed the surface. Recently has been my 3rd year since my conversion.
 

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I don't think that is possible, the Bible seems certain that there is going to be a rapture of some sort.
How do you reconcile the "rapture" with Hebrews 9:27? In the rapture view it is appointed to some men to die but presumably a whole host of "raptured saints" that it's not appointed to them to die.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 
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Also the poll is kept completely anonymous of who voted. I hope I got every single different view down, it seems there are only 4 options.

My biggest case for believing in pre-trib rapture is that the Bible seems to make clear we are not appointed for wrath, why would God want us going through such a time? However I sometimes think about post tribulation since many Baptists/Calvinists tend to hold those views and my core beliefs are closest to those 2 denominations.

Some are very serious about post-trib that they prep for it, it really makes a statement about how serious they believe in it.

As for my research on this matter, I have only so far skimmed the surface. Recently has been my 3rd year since my conversion.
You missed the historic Christian view. It happens on the last day after the resurrection. Just before the elements melt with fervent heat. Paul, Jesus, and Peter teach this.
 
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I don't think that is possible, the Bible seems certain that there is going to be a rapture of some sort.

The idea of the rapture is something that came along fairly late in church history. I have my doubts about it. And as your poll shows, people are all over the place as to when it's supposed to happen.
 
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The idea of the rapture is something that came along fairly late in church history. I have my doubts about it. And as your poll shows, people are all over the place as to when it's supposed to happen.
You are absolutely right to doubt the rapture because the "rapture" is actually the translation from this existence to the next and it happens to every single believer, not just some special group at the "end of time". It happened to Enoch and people will deny it flat out even though the bible clearly says "these all died..." and Enoch is on that list.
 
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My brother who was a devout Christian said one of things that turned him away was, as a young man he was so convinced the rapture was around the corner, he didn't properly plan for his future. He's 65 now, so that was a while ago.
 
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Why DO people believe in a rapture to heaven?

It’s a great idea! Get away from this troubled world.

It is the only end times doctrine that many have ever been taught.


But the fact there is no actual supporting scripture for this idea, is no deterrent because some scriptures can be made to infer the idea of a rapture. There are prophesies telling about spiritual happenings, but none of them actually say that any living people will be taken to heaven.


As there are many prophesies telling about the future of Israel, some people make the error of thinking the Israel of God is the Jewish State of Israel and the Christian Church is therefore, separate from the Israel of prophecy. This is incorrect, many passages in the New Testament confirm that there is only one people of God, call them the Ekkelasia, spiritual Israel or simply God’s righteous Christian people and the rest of the world are the ungodly peoples, doomed for destruction.

But the false idea of Two People Two Promises has to be an immutable tenet of the rapture theory for them to go to heaven, while ethnic Israel faces tribulation, etc. That this idea is un-Christian: ‘let them burn, we will be safe’, as well as the shockingly bad notion of ‘escape from responsibilities’, seems to not be a concern for them.

With the belief of a rapture removal to heaven firmly fixed in their minds, people then fail to see the truth of what God has planned for the future. There will be testing times, to come upon everyone as Luke 21:35 and 1 Peter 4:12 make crystal clear. What we must pray for is not escape by removal, but for the Lord’s protection, promised to His people during all that is coming and for all the faithful Christians to stand, dressed in white linen, before Jesus when He Returns. Revelation 19:9-11
 
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@JohnB445

I am 100% sure. But you did not list my view.

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As for my research on this matter, I have only so far skimmed the surface. Recently has been my 3rd year since my conversion.

50 years for me. The rapture/resurrection could happen pre-70th week or it may not. But it has to happen before the beginning of the Day of Lord begins. "Anytime" between now, this very second, and then.

The terms pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, are all misnomers because all of the 7 years are not "tribulation".

Most of the first half of the 70th week, the world is saying peace and safety, thinking it has entered the messianic age, and is not in tribulation.

So, what those really mean are pre-70th week, mid-70th week, post-70th week.

The terms as they are, i.e. pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, are misleading. The error came about because prophecy teachers back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, even unto the present, repeat the terms over and over.
 
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Also the poll is kept completely anonymous of who voted. I hope I got every single different view down, it seems there are only 4 options.

My biggest case for believing in pre-trib rapture is that the Bible seems to make clear we are not appointed for wrath, why would God want us going through such a time? However I sometimes think about post tribulation since many Baptists/Calvinists tend to hold those views and my core beliefs are closest to those 2 denominations.

Some are very serious about post-trib that they prep for it, it really makes a statement about how serious they believe in it.

As for my research on this matter, I have only so far skimmed the surface. Recently has been my 3rd year since my conversion.

You are missing some. Myself.. if I shared what I understand in the word it would seem I lean to pre trib. Since no one can find pre mid post verse we tend to take verses and then speculation comes into play. I was not promised tomorrow today is the moment He gave us. Its today right now that matters. Today is where I am ready and always watching. I know He went to make us a home and will come back take us get us receive us unto Himself so where He is (at the right of the Father) we will be. I will never see Gods wrath that will come on all in this world. Paul even said "We which remain will be caught up together". There is in fact a rapture "caught up". Saying there is none one has to lie. Christ comes back the same way.. in the clouds voice/shout/trump dead rise we change we go up together to be with Christ forever.

See here in now comes the problem where other believers that love long for Christ will tell us what they read and understand is duh the real truth its YOU that can't see its YOU that do not understand. See I didn't add or take anything away nor tell anyone what His word is really saying. He did go back to make us a home. Voice/shout/trump dead rise we change we go up RAPTURE Caught up. We will never see Gods wrath coming on the world. Facts. I just can't find WHEN exactly that happens so for me to add speculation into it would be unwise. So No clue what happens tomorrow but I have now. So.. why not live for Him now.. expect Him now. I find I am always thinking about Him and how I am living for Him. There is NOTHING better in life!

He is coming.. what I do know is He will not force anyone to believe or go. If I am not watching and ready.. I will miss Him. I like what one (gone home now) preacher said "I am post....BUT if Jesus comes pre? I am ready now! Thats a man that knew the word.
 
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Also the poll is kept completely anonymous of who voted. I hope I got every single different view down, it seems there are only 4 options.

My biggest case for believing in pre-trib rapture is that the Bible seems to make clear we are not appointed for wrath, why would God want us going through such a time? However I sometimes think about post tribulation since many Baptists/Calvinists tend to hold those views and my core beliefs are closest to those 2 denominations.

Some are very serious about post-trib that they prep for it, it really makes a statement about how serious they believe in it.

As for my research on this matter, I have only so far skimmed the surface. Recently has been my 3rd year since my conversion.
Rapture is an invention made up in the 1800s so protestants would stop talking about the resurrection, and talk about beam me up Scotty instead was not an option in the poll.
 
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How do you reconcile the "rapture" with Hebrews 9:27? In the rapture view it is appointed to some men to die but presumably a whole host of "raptured saints" that it's not appointed to them to die.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
1st Corinthians 15 50I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
 
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1st Corinthians 15 50I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a prophecy about what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will receive immortality; the dead and those who are alive after the Millennium.
Proved by how it is only then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4
Since no one can find pre mid post verse we tend to take verses and then speculation comes into play.
Doesn't this truth make people think?
The plain fact is, there is no scripture that says humans will go to live in heaven. Quite a few say we never will and eventually God and therefore heaven come to us. Revelation 21:1-7
 
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1st Corinthians 15 50I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
“We” in that verse refers to all Christians from Adam to present. Those Christians that died before Christ came went to Abraham’s bosom until Christ came and paid for their sins. Once he paid for their sins they were raised and ascended with Christ when he ascended. We that are alive and remain, including Paul will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

When it’s time for the believer to leave this world we are changed into our glorified bodies and taken straight to heaven to be with Jesus forever.
 
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I'm surprised this passage hasn't been mentioned yet:

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

In this instance, there indeed will be some who will not die. Of course, the question is when will this take place? Is it before the Great Tribulation and the Antichrist comes, or is it something that happens and rescues us before all that?
 
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Of course, the question is when will this take place?
1 Thessalonians 4:17 plainly tells us when.
The Lord Himself will come down from heaven......

This prophecy refers to the glorious Return of Jesus, for Him to reign over the world for the next 1000 years.
NOWHERE in that prophecy or anywhere in the Bible does it say we are taken to heaven. That is a false teaching and will never happen.
 
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It is impossible to understand any of those “rapture” verses without first understanding who the dead in Christ are. Jesus said that whoever LIVES and believes in him will NEVER DIE. That means the dead in Christ ARE NOT believers after the resurrection of Christ. That only leaves one possibility of who the dead in Christ were.


Joh 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
 
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