How can baptism be required for salvation?

[enoob57]

I do not even know if unequally yoked can even be speaking of marriage, at least not in the sense God joining together . Yoke is "zugos" a pair, of balances etc. Where as union in marriage is to be made one, no longer two. yoke seems to be more to do with carrying out work, like a ministry etc.

Because the passage is non-specific to... most commentators include marriage as also in this passage. It makes perfect sense to do so for it neither adds to nor takes away from the passage...

 

[ralliann]

Because the passage is non-specific to... most commentators include marriage as also in this passage. It makes perfect sense to do so for it neither adds to nor takes away from the passage...

Yes I know most commentators do. But if you consider the unbeliever being pleased to dwell with, Just like Roman Catholicism says agreement on raising a child in the faith, makes for no difference in parenting. Rather the quote I gave was quite decidedly about mariiage between a believer and unbeliever. I am not Catholic, but my father converted to marry my mother. He did not have to convert, just solemnly agree that the children would be raised as Catholic.

 

[Eloy Craft]

To be a member of a local assembly, to public identify with Jesus, to be outward sign of an already done internal salvation!

A Baptism has no purpose if done in private?

 

[enoob57]

Yes I know most commentators do. But if you consider the unbeliever being pleased to dwell with, Just like Roman Catholicism says agreement on raising a child in the faith, makes for no difference in parenting. Rather the quote I gave was quite decidedly about mariiage between a believer and unbeliever. I am not Catholic, but my father converted to marry my mother. He did not have to convert, just solemnly agree that the children would be raised as Catholic.

For me it's God's Word that dictates to my heart... the Jews were a good example of how other beliefs would corrupt them... God said to drive them out from their midst and they did not and their history bear out why God said to do so... Catholicism is corrupted by not having the Bible as their only source for truth so I don't give it much credence... so given the overall of Scripture I'm assured unequally yoked passage includes marriage...

 

[Eloy Craft]

For me it's God's Word that dictates to my heart... the Jews were a good example of how other beliefs would corrupt them... God said to drive them out from their midst and they did not and their history bear out why God said to do so... Catholicism is corrupted by not having the Bible as their only source for truth so I don't give it much credence... so given the overall of Scripture I'm assured unequally yoked passage includes marriage...

A common mistake when it comes to prophecy is to fail to realize that the Church is not captive to repeating history like the world is. The bible is not a source of truth. Let me ask. If all the Christians on the planet disappear will truth be lost? If all the bibles on earth disappear will truth be lost? Is the bible able to offer salvation to anyone if there are no Christians on earth? Can Christians offer Christ to anyone with out a bible?

 

[enoob57]

The bible is not a source of truth.

I reject what you have said here!
John 17:17 (KJV)
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV)
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

People should be very careful with how they write / speak as it will be judge by The Word of God

John 12:48 (KJV)
[48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Is that why Abraham was circumcised? So, the new covenant sign is baptism? Why did Abraham Circumcise his children I wonder?

The NC sign is having the Promised Holy Spirit!

 

[YeshuaFan]

A Baptism has no purpose if done in private?

Is to be administered as a public confession of faith in the Lord jesus!

 

[ralliann]

For me it's God's Word that dictates to my heart...

And? We are both speaking of God's word. The clearest passages of God's word says an unbelieving spouse is sanctified by the believing spouse. Period, end, stop.

the Jews were a good example of how other beliefs would corrupt them...

Well they strained gnats, swallowing a camel. Somethings they applied which actually left commands undone by all that straining.

God said to drive them out from their midst and they did not and their history bear out why God said to do so... Catholicism is corrupted by not having the Bible as their only source for truth so I don't give it much credence...

Paul is scripture.

so given the overall of Scripture I'm assured unequally yoked passage includes marriage...

So, the less clear passage nullifies the clear concerning what Paul said? Or does it still remain true? I say it remains true. What say you?

 

[ralliann]

A common mistake when it comes to prophecy is to fail to realize that the Church is not captive to repeating history like the world is.

It depends on what you mean here by the Church. Certainly, a repeat of certain things can and will occur.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Ephesus..
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Pergamos..
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

The bible is not a source of truth. Let me ask. If all the Christians on the planet disappear will truth be lost? If all the bibles on earth disappear will truth be lost? Is the bible able to offer salvation to anyone if there are no Christians on earth? Can Christians offer Christ to anyone with out a bible?

Truth, will not be lost. We would all be lost.... and lost completely.
I cannot go along with you in this.

 

[ralliann]

The NC sign is having the Promised Holy Spirit!

Why did Abraham circumcise his Children? Not only the natural seed, Ishamel and Isaac, the servants in his household. All circumcised alike. Why?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Why did Abraham circumcise his Children? Not only the natural seed, Ishamel and Isaac, the servants in his household. All circumcised alike. Why?

sign of the OT, but baptism is not the same as that in the new One!

 

[ralliann]

sign of the OT, but baptism is not the same as that in the new One!

No, it is a sign and seal of the faith of Abraham. Not Sinai

 

[Eloy Craft]

I reject what you have said here!
John 17:17 (KJV)
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV)
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

People should be very careful with how they write / speak as it will be judge by The Word of God

John 12:48 (KJV)
[48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Is to be administered as a public confession of faith in the Lord jesus!

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Eloy Craft]

It depends on what you mean here by the Church. Certainly, a repeat of certain things can and will occur.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Ephesus..
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Pergamos..
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.


Truth, will not be lost. We would all be lost.... and lost completely.
I cannot go along with you in this.

This is what I mean. If the bible was the source of truth the eunuch wouldn't need Philip.

Acts

So he arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasury, and had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 was returning. And sitting in his chariot, he was reading Isaiah the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go near and overtake this chariot.”

30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

 

[ralliann]

This is what I mean. If the bible was the source of truth the eunuch wouldn't need Philip.

Acts

So he arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasury, and had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 was returning. And sitting in his chariot, he was reading Isaiah the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go near and overtake this chariot.”

30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

How did Phillip know to tell him what the scriptures said? Scripture is still the foundation.

 

[Eloy Craft]

@ralliann

Here we have a person seeking truth, probably wanting to become a Christian with the Holy Spirit going all out to get him the Truth.
Did you wonder why the Holy Spirit didn't teach the eunuch?

The eunuch is seeking truth with Scriptures alone so Philip thinks the eunuch might already be a believer so asks him if he understands what he's reading.
Philip and the eunuch know Scriptures alone will not deliver so he answers;

31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

An atheist isn't going to care about scripture neither did the pagans. Did Paul use Scripture to convert the Greeks? Not going to happen.
The Holy Spirit can use me or you alone to reveal Truth to a nonbeliever but not Scriptures alone. Faith is through hearing.

 

[enoob57]

You didn't answer my question.

The thing is when you said "the Bible is 'not' the source of truth" we lost all ability to communicate...

 

[Eloy Craft]

The thing is when you said "the Bible is 'not' the source of truth" we lost all ability to communicate...

Well, how would you communicate with someone who doesn't believe in the bible then?