How can baptism be required for salvation?

[enoob57]

Well, how would you communicate with someone who doesn't believe in the bible then?

The truth of Scripture... which you say is not the source of truth...

 

[Eloy Craft]

The truth of Scripture... which you say is not the source of truth...

Circular reasoning. You said you can't communicate with someone unless they believe the bible is the source of truth. Faith is through hearing.

 

[Doug Brents]

I am only discouraging people from thinking baptism, not faith, is how we are saved. That idea flies out a window when you consider the fact that despite being baptized during infancy, I was not ready to become a Christian for the next 20 years. If you don't believe in the Trinity, baptism is just getting wet.

You were not baptized as an infant. You were wetted. As you said, if the individual being baptized doesn’t believe, then they just got wet, there is no salvation in that act.

 

[Doug Brents]

At what point was the thief on the cross baptized? and yet Jesus saved him.

Yes, but Jesus had not yet died at that point. Until he dies, a man’s Will can be changed as he sees fit. So too, until He died, Christ could do anything He wanted in terms of who He saved.

 

[Doug Brents]

I agree that baptism in itself doesn't do the saving. It's accepting Jesus' testimony as the only Son of God and only way of salvation through His sacrifice on the cross. In other words believing Jesus is who He says He is and accepting Him as Lord. Baptism is a beautiful declaration of that salvation. So yes I am against infant baptisms because they don't understand what's happening nor know who Jesus is yet.

You are correct that baptism doesn’t save us. It is the Holy Spirit who saves us during baptism. Read in Rom 6:1-11 and Col 2:11-14 that it is during baptism that the Spirit takes action to cut our sins from us and unite us with Christ. That is when we are saved.

 

[Albion]

You were not baptized as an infant. You were wetted. As you said, if the individual being baptized doesn’t believe, then they just got wet, there is no salvation in that act.

So being wetted as a pre-teen makes all the difference?

Strange logic, that.

 

[Doug Brents]

But baptism has never been connected to (a requirement for) a person receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life. The only requirement to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is to believe,trust in The Messiah for God's free gift.

Sorry, but that is incorrect.
Repentance is required to receive forgiveness (salvation) - Acts 3:19 and many others.
Confession of Jesus as Lord publicly is required - Rom 10:9-10
Baptism is required - Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, and many others.

 

[Doug Brents]

So being wetted as a pre-teen makes all the difference?

Strange logic, that.

No, being wetted make NO difference. There is no salvation in getting wet as an infant.

 

[Albion]

Sorry, but that is incorrect.
Repentance is required to receive forgiveness (salvation) - Acts 3:19 and many others.
Confession of Jesus as Lord publicly is required - Rom 10:9-10
Baptism is required - Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, and many others.

Your whole approach is wrong anyway because being baptized does not insure salvation. Hardly any church which baptizes without an unscriptural age requirement DOES think baptism guarantees salvation.

 

[Albion]

No, being wetted make NO difference. There is no salvation in getting wet as an infant.

You just said being wetted makes no difference. That would mean it makes no difference if you're an adult, either. And that would mean that no baptismal ceremony is worth doing, despite the Bible's call for believers to be baptized!

 

[YeshuaFan]

You were not baptized as an infant. You were wetted. As you said, if the individual being baptized doesn’t believe, then they just got wet, there is no salvation in that act.

If one was not already saved, the water just got them all wet!

 

[Albion]

If one was not already saved, the water just got them all wet!

No, most of us don't baptize by submersion, therefore it would just be your head. So not to worry! And there's no reason to fear drowning, either!

 

[BNR32FAN]

At what point was the thief on the cross baptized? and yet Jesus saved him.

The scriptures don’t say that he wasn’t baptized. People had been being baptized for over three years by this time and they were coming in huge numbers to be baptized. It’s very possible that the thief had already been baptized.

 

[d taylor]

Sorry, but that is incorrect.
Repentance is required to receive forgiveness (salvation) - Acts 3:19 and many others.
Confession of Jesus as Lord publicly is required - Rom 10:9-10
Baptism is required - Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, and many others.

We went around and around about this on another thread a few days ago. Noting has changed from my perspective, so i really do not see the need to further go around and around again.

 

[Doug Brents]

It's facsinating how people who stand firmly on the revealed word of God feel no hesitation about writing some of it themselves.


And this ^ doesn't even make sense, all the theology aside.

Standing in front of a congregation and having water poured on your head sure as anything does amount to a "public display," every bit as much as having a minister baptize you in your backyard swimming pool!

It is not the “public display” that saves. It is obedience to the Living God. And there was nothing g in his post that did not come directly from Scripture.

 

[Doug Brents]

We went around and around about this on another thread a few days ago. Noting has changed from my perspective, so i really do not see the need to further go around and around again.

So you need to go back and STUDY the Scriptures again.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are correct that baptism doesn’t save us. It is the Holy Spirit who saves us during baptism. Read in Rom 6:1-11 and Col 2:11-14 that it is during baptism that the Spirit takes action to cut our sins from us and unite us with Christ. That is when we are saved.

Those verses could be referring to a baptism of the Spirit. Cornelius and his household experienced a baptism of the spirit before they were baptized in water.

 

[Doug Brents]

Your whole approach is wrong anyway because being baptized does not insure salvation. Hardly any church which baptizes without an unscriptural age requirement DOES think baptism guarantees salvation.

Are you saying that very few Church congratulations believe that baptism is the point of salvation? You are correct: there are very few congregations that teach the Biblical truth on this topic.

According to Scripture, water immersion (baptism ) is the point at which the Holy Spirit takes action to remove our sins, unite us with Christ, come to live in our heart, and resurrect our souls to life in Christ.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you need to go back and STUDY the Scriptures again.

it doesn’t do any good if your mind is already made. In order to learn from the scriptures a person has to allow them to teach but so many people are too busy trying to define the scriptures by their doctrines instead of defining their doctrines by the scriptures.

 

[Doug Brents]

You just said being wetted makes no difference. That would mean it makes no difference if you're an adult, either. And that would mean that no baptismal ceremony is worth doing, despite the Bible's call for believers to be baptized!

Not at all. It make a great deal of difference is you believe in Christ. Ask Naaman if dipping (being baptized) in Jordan seven times made a difference.