How are we to explain these "miracles?"

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That reminds me of a women here in Australia who was completely cured from stage 4 lung cancer. She was a catholic but drifted away from the church. She lived in a small country town and was just an average person. She was down to earth and had no radical beliefs and came across as a nice ordinary lady who was married. But in her later years she developed incurable lung cancer that was diagnosed and she was given only a short time to live. She had gone back to the church and her congregation in the small town all prayed for a miracle. I think someone had what they call a relic from a religious person who was well known for their good deeds a Mary Mackillop in the area. They religious person was seen as a saint though she wasn't officially classed as one by the Vatican. Anyway they prayed for her that a miracle could happen. Over the next few weeks the women was preparing to die and had all her friend come over to spend time with her and she was making all the arrangement's. But then she said she started to feel better but thought nothing of it. Then she was getting up and doing things and nobody could work out why. Her husband was saying wasn't she supposed to be sick and incapacitated but she was laughing and being normal. So they decided to go back to the doctors to get a check up. When they took the x rays the doctor called another doctor into the lab and they were scratching their heads. They did some more tests and couldn't believe that the cancer had completely disappeared. Thats stage 4 incurable cancer that had spread throughout her body all gone.
The end result was her miracle turned Mary mackillop into a saint and she was officially recognized by the pope and the Vatican. The doctors to this day have no explanation as to how this happened.
I am Mary MacKillop's miracle | Australian Women's Weekly
mary makillop cures women of cancer - Bing Videos

Spontaneous remission rates are estimated to be around 1:100,000. You would need to show not just that one of those cases was a person who recently prayed for a miracle, but some statistically relevant data set showing that spontaneous remission rates of christians is higher than other religions.

 

[Loudmouth]

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You show ignorance in how God works in people. He reveals Himself through His Spirit. It is most often within them, such as the Baptism of the Spirit. Your Spiritual Poverty is the problem.

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Evidence?

 

[Loudmouth]

In relation to Hinduism I was open to learn and think through for some time - until doing the same for Christianity brought God into my life in no small way, then and since.

To the Hindu person I would question him like many others with experiences they have had. I would be sensitive to him, and learn more from him.

What you are looking is from your head produced ideology that makes you "peg" situations, people, and matters. Hey, compared to God you and I are a couple of really really ignorant dudes. Why should we peg everything in only ideology just to win debates? What are you here for, mate, have you already arrived?

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Still no evidence, just claims.

 

[Paulos23]

Still no evidence, just claims.

At this point I would be shocked if he ever showed evidence. Well evidence other then 'go to God'.

 

[Loudmouth]

Spontaneous remission rates are estimated to be around 1:100,000. You would need to show not just that one of those cases was a person who recently prayed for a miracle, but some statistically relevant data set showing that spontaneous remission rates of christians is higher than other religions.

Using the same logic found in the posts above, we could argue a coin flip to "prove" that God exists. Pray to God that the coin will always land on heads. Flip the coin 100 times. For all of the times it landed on heads, this is incotrovertable proof that God answers prayers. For all the times it lands on tails, it is just proof that God answer was "No".

Foolproof.

The only problem is that it works equally well if you pray to Zeus, or to a leaf of grass.

 

[Heissonear]

Evidence?

You, chap, lack the evidence. The multitudes Baptized by the Spirit have the evidence. Those touched by miracles by Power on High have the evidence.

You have no evidence to deny the Spiritual Power others have encountered, the miracles they have experienced.

Zero evidence. All you can do is deny the witness of others , and request blindly for evidence YOU need!

All you now possess is a temporal life in a temporal realm. You do not have an eternal relationship with Him.

The Spiritual Wealth you lack is incredible.
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[Paulos23]

You, chap, lack the evidence. The multitudes Baptized by the Spirit have the evidence. Those touched by miracles by Power on High have the evidence.

You have no evidence to deny the Spiritual Power others have encountered, the miracles they have experienced.

Zero evidence. All you can do is deny the witness of others , and request blindly for evidence YOU need!

All you now possess is a temporal life in a temporal realm. You do not have an eternal relationship with Him.

The Spiritual Wealth you lack is incredible.
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And yet, you give no evidence. Those that make claims with no evidence can be dismissed just as easily.

We have gone round and round on this Hess, what is your evidence?

 

[Sofaman]

And yet, you give no evidence. Those that make claims with no evidence can be dismissed just as easily.

We have gone round and round on this Hess, what is your evidence?

Heissonear doesn't have any evidence. Just preaching and prosthletizing total BS

 

[Heissonear]

Spontaneous remission rates are estimated to be around 1:100,000. You would need to show not just that one of those cases was a person who recently prayed for a miracle, but some statistically relevant data set showing that spontaneous remission rates of christians is higher than other religions.

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You speak as if you are an expert about the Spiritual Realm, like you possess the final word about if there is Power on High.

You are the least to inform us about the Spiritual Dynamics in our midst. You say, "what spiritual realm" and show your ignorance before us all.

The God on High you are blind to. You state our witness of Him on High are mere claims. Yet you are empty handed, in Spiritual Poverty. What do you know? You only know the natural. And only of the natural can you talk about.

In your arrogance you speak of things you have no apprehension of. Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend.

 

[Sayre]

Using the same logic found in the posts above, we could argue a coin flip to "prove" that God exists. Pray to God that the coin will always land on heads. Flip the coin 100 times. For all of the times it landed on heads, this is incotrovertable proof that God answers prayers. For all the times it lands on tails, it is just proof that God answer was "No".

Foolproof.

The only problem is that it works equally well if you pray to Zeus, or to a leaf of grass.

If a God exists (and I still believe that) what tools are appropriate to investigate whether or not it is the case? It seems that it cannot be empiricism.

 

[Heissonear]

Heissonear doesn't have any evidence. Just preaching and prosthletizing total BS

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You speak as an expert about a matter that you cannot apprehend.

Your Spiritual Realm ignorance you cannot overcome.

You can only speak in relation to the realm of the natural.

What do you know about miracles from God? You show "nothing". Only unbelief.

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[poolerboy0077]

.Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend.

You keep making mere assertions. What epistemology can be used so as to verify this?

 

[Heissonear]

You keep making mere assertions. What epistemology can be used so as to verify this?

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Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend, you can only state such are mere assertions.

What do you know about Spiritual Power, other than ignorance and unbelief?

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You speak as if you are an expert about the Spiritual Realm, like you possess the final word about if there is Power on High.

You are the least to inform us about the Spiritual Dynamics in our midst. You say, "what spiritual realm" and show your ignorance before us all.

The God on High you are blind to. You state our witness of Him on High are mere claims. Yet you are empty handed, in Spiritual Poverty. What do you know? You only know the natural. And only of the natural can you talk about.

In your arrogance you speak of things you have no apprehension of. Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend.

Well, my faith icon is "t" for "the natural" I guess. That or I object to looking for angels under every rock because it presents the opportunity to use the same argument to support any other action or belief as just as effective resulting int he damaging of the faith of other believers and violating what, in my opinion, is one of the central tenets that should be guiding our actions, "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

 

[Paulos23]

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Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend, you can only state such are mere assertions.

What do you know about Spiritual Power, other than ignorance and unbelief?

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Until you do provide evidence you are just making claims without evidence. We have asked you for this before.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Frankly, I find most miracles and miracle claims fairly weak, sometimes downright pathetic. I have seen better, but maybe I am just spoiled by the times that I live in.


One thing I know though, if I were to have a serious accident I'd much rather have one person call an ambulance than have one billion people pray for me and/or recite other magic incantations. (And KWCrazy, Heisonear et al are no different. LOL)

 

[SkyWriting]

I´m wondering why god - instead of taking care that every single member was delayed for some reason - didn´t simply take care that the heating worked correctly (and/or the pastor handled it correctly). That way he would also have saved the church, btw.
Plus: all of 15 people delayed for 5 minutes? The chance for that is not so very low.

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In my experience, God does not directly effect his will on earth. It seems to me that He only "works" through the Holy Spirit, through the minds of people. So He can effect what people of faith do, but not directly alter matter. I don't know if this has always been the case though. Some say that the time of "Signs and wonders" has past.
Bible Search: signs

 

[Heissonear]

Until you do provide evidence you are just making claims without evidence. We have asked you for this before.

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"Facts of miracles are trashed" by Naturalists on this site. What is Holy ..........

1. You have never seen a deformed limb of a baby become whole and normal before your eyes.

2. You have never seen someone shot in the chest by a high power rifle and fall to the ground in blood only to raise with no evidence of being shot.

Mates, you have been missing out, and the value these events bring towards others.

You promote mere Naturalism and state any events from Power from on High are mere assertions.

You show your extreme ignorance and unbelief.

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[Mr Strawberry]

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"Facts of miracles are trashed" by Naturalists on this site. What is Holy ..........

1. You have never seen a deformed limb of a baby become whole and normal before your eyes.

2. You have never seen someone shot in the chest by a high power rifle and fall to the ground in blood only to raise with no evidence of being shot.

Mates, you have been missing out, and the value these events bring towards others.

You promote mere Naturalism and state any events from Power from on High are mere assertions.

You show your extreme ignorance and unbelief.

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You've seen the events you describe have you?

 

[Heissonear]

You've seen the events you describe have you?

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Yes, and many more.

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