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Here is why the saints cannot ignore the Commandments of God - not even the TEN

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Sabbatarians are good at that and why they are so difficult to debate with, much like the JWs and Mormons do, IMHO........
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Christ was "hard to debate with as we see in Matt 22 - is that making him "JW" or Mormon?

Paul was "hard to debate with" as we see in Acts 13, in Acts 17:1-5 and in Acts 18:1-6 -- does this make him "JW" or "Mormon"???

Paul does not quote entire chapters of the OT when making his case -- neither does Christ.

But in today's marketplace - any-ol-excuse will do - in many cases to serve as "complaint" and "justification" to attack anyone who dares to freely affirm some part of the bible that others would wish to ignore or delete or downsize.

Funny how things never change.

So then - many many texts on page 1 of this thread - will go "ignored" all the while short little snippet "reference no text - quote no text" posts pile up at the end of the thread.
 
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Christ was "hard to debate with as we see in Matt 22 - is that making him "JW" or Mormon?

Paul was "hard to debate with" as we see in Acts 13, in Acts 17:1-5 and in Acts 18:1-6 -- does this make him "JW" or "Mormon"???
Dang ya got me there.
Who would dare say Jesus and Paul were those folks...........Btw, do the SDAs think JWs and Mormons are Christians? Just curious


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Christ was "hard to debate with as we see in Matt 22 - is that making him "JW" or Mormon?

Paul was "hard to debate with" as we see in Acts 13, in Acts 17:1-5 and in Acts 18:1-6 -- does this make him "JW" or "Mormon"???

Paul does not quote entire chapters of the OT when making his case -- neither does Christ.

But in today's marketplace - any-ol-excuse will do - in many cases to serve as "complaint" and "justification" to attack anyone who dares to freely affirm some part of the bible that others would wish to ignore or delete or downsize.

Funny how things never change.

So then - many many texts on page 1 of this thread - will go "ignored" all the while short little snippet "reference no text - quote no text" posts pile up at the end of the thread.
They've been quoted for and to you numerous times and you continue to both ignore them and spam the forum.

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Sabbatarians are good at that and why they are so difficult to debate with, much like the JWs and Mormons do, IMHO........
.

Christ was "hard to debate with as we see in Matt 22 - is that making him "JW" or Mormon?

Paul was "hard to debate with" as we see in Acts 13, in Acts 17:1-5 and in Acts 18:1-6 -- does this make him "JW" or "Mormon"???

Paul does not quote entire chapters of the OT when making his case -- neither does Christ.

But in today's marketplace - any-ol-excuse will do - in many cases to serve as "complaint" and "justification" to attack anyone who dares to freely affirm some part of the bible that others would wish to ignore or delete or downsize.

Funny how things never change.

So then - many many texts on page 1 of this thread - will go "ignored" all the while short little snippet "reference no text - quote no text" posts pile up at the end of the thread.

Dang ya got me there.
Who would dare say Jesus and Paul were those folks

Well I guess if the only rule used was "hard to defeat in a debate" then a lot of people "might" do it.

Is that the "rule"??

...........Btw, do the SDAs think JWs and Mormons are Christians? Just curious
I don't know of any "denominational statement" on that from the SDA church.

As for my own opinion - Catholics, Church of Christ, JW's, Mormon's are all Christian organizations and all have saved saints in their membership -- but they teach some doctrines that I find to be opposed to Bible teaching. Just like Islam has many sects, many slivers, yet all of it is some sort of Islam rather than Hinduism or Christianity -- so in the Christian group - many many different denominations. But none of them Hindu, or Muslim, or agnostic.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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They've been quoted for and to you numerous times and you continue to both ignore them and spam the forum.

bugkiller

you continue to offer "fluff" when confronted with substance.

As has been pointed out before - the irrefutable bible texts I have given exposing the flaws in wild speculations - do not "cease to exist" each time you fail to refute them.
 
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you continue to offer "fluff" when confronted with substance.

As has been pointed out before - the irrefutable bible texts I have given exposing the flaws in wild speculations - do not "cease to exist" each time you fail to refute them.
Yeppers my Scripture quotes are meaningless fluff.

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you continue to offer "fluff" when confronted with substance.

As has been pointed out before - the irrefutable bible texts I have given exposing the flaws in wild speculations - do not "cease to exist" each time you fail to refute them.
if he is fluffling then you are the king of fluff here
 
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BobRyan said:
Christ was "hard to debate with as we see in Matt 22 - is that making him "JW" or Mormon?

Paul was "hard to debate with" as we see in Acts 13, in Acts 17:1-5 and in Acts 18:1-6 -- does this make him "JW" or "Mormon"???

Paul does not quote entire chapters of the OT when making his case -- neither does Christ.

But in today's marketplace - any-ol-excuse will do - in many cases to serve as "complaint" and "justification" to attack anyone who dares to freely affirm some part of the bible that others would wish to ignore or delete or downsize.

Funny how things never change.

So then - many many texts on page 1 of this thread - will go "ignored" all the while short little snippet "reference no text - quote no text" posts pile up at the end of the thread.

They've been quoted for and to you numerous times and you continue to both ignore them and spam the forum.

bugkiller



you continue to offer "fluff" when confronted with substance.
As has been pointed out before - the irrefutable bible texts I have given (on page 1) exposing the flaws in wild speculations - do not "cease to exist" each time you fail to refute them.


Yeppers my Scripture quotes are meaningless fluff.

bugkiller

As we can all read - in that post sequence you offer "nothing" but snips and snipes.. No texts at all.

if he is fluffling then you are the king of fluff here

what??

Because the "no texts" responses to my OP as seen in that post sequence above are so "substantive"??

Because the many-many texts given here by me in the irrefutable posts on page 1 are simply "more Bible texts to be dismissed as fluff'? (If one is rejecting that part of the Bible.)
 
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Don't you wonder why any self-proclaimed Christian would argue that the moral laws of God that Jesus preached about and stated were still valid, including the practice of the Sabbath that the Apostles followed, no longer apply? Seriously!
I think it's the Osteenification of Christianity virus. Believe it or not there are so called churches with so called pastors out there that teach that sin isn't a factor anymore.
True, the saved are no longer sinners in God's sight. We're Saints. However, it doesn't mean we're perfect. And no Saint makes a practice of sinning.
However, those ten laws of God were given as as moral platform for his honor and our upright behavior toward our own life and our neighbor that Jesus said we are to love.

You shall not steal.
That's no longer in force.
AWESOME! I don't have to work for that 2017 Tesla I've had my eye on.

Here's the real kicker. You shall have no other god before our God.
Wonderful! All for paganism and polytheistic worship raise your cloven hoof!

The ceremonial laws no longer apply. Jesus committed the ultimate ceremony. He died for our sins. No more killing of unblemished animals to pay for our transgressions. Can you imagine how busy we'd keep PeTA if we actually believed the false teachings of those who insist the laws of God's moral commands don't apply?
They're immoral themselves and they're arguing for the fallen soul?

How many threads do we need here wherein the fallen are arguing on behalf of Satan when they say God's law of the ten is invalid now?
And how do they behave in real life off-line when they tell us they believe this nonsense?
YOU CAN BE IMMORAL! GOD'S MORAL COMMANDS DON'T APPLY NOW ! WEEEEEE!

Well sure nuff. Just don't call yourself a Christian . Because the posts will fall away, the net will evaporate, but Hell lasts for ever!

Tread carefully people when you read false teachers trying to lead you away from God's word!
Labels don't matter. It's the words behind them that tell you who you're reading or talking to.
 
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what??

Because the "no texts" responses to my OP as seen in that post sequence above are so "substantive"??

Because the many-many texts given here by me in the irrefutable posts on page 1 are simply "more Bible texts to be dismissed as fluff'? (If one is rejecting that part of the Bible.)
Why bother with long articulate responses to someone who answers from their clipboard pretty much ignoring any scriptures that conflict with their views and that continually harps about how nobody has ever refuted anything that they ever said anywhere at anytime. In a sense your constant "irrefutable" claim about everything you say here has not really impressed anyone but rather has pretty much labeled you as someone who either is in an alternate reality or is totally blind to any opposing scripturally sound theological opinion other than your own.

Now I could have just responded with a short... why bother talking to someone who has their fingers in their ears going "nah nah nah nah nah".
 
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Why bother with long articulate responses to someone who answers from their clipboard pretty much ignoring any scriptures .

I think I can answer that -- I respond to your posts on rare occasion in an effort to return the thread back to the topic of the OP.
 
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However, those ten laws of God were given as moral platform for his honor and our upright behavior toward our own life and our neighbor that Jesus said we are to love.
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Excellent point and of course 1John 5:1-3 makes a pretty good point for that - stating that we know that we LOVE God - when we KEEP His Commandments. :)
 
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Romans chapters 1 and particularly 2 are helpful also. Especially given the apostle Paul was a Pharisee and of all the disciples was the most educated among them.

This may be helpful to this discussion. :)
Ask Pastor Mike – Legalism - 4/29/2016 = Audio sermon Link
God’s Word is clear—there is nothing we can to do to earn, buy or borrow God’s forgiveness. But does that mean it doesn’t matter how we live now? We’ll discuss that question with Mike Fabarez and look at Scripture’s patterns for obedience in light of God’s grace. It’s on this edition of “Ask Pastor Mike.”

I'm going to share this in the other threads I've participated in wherein the issue of the moral laws of God and the Sabbath are contested. I hope this audio sermon helps those who seek deeper answers. At least that is my prayer.
 
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Romans chapters 1 and particularly 2 are helpful also. Especially given the apostle Paul was a Pharisee and of all the disciples was the most educated among them.
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That is a good point. Paul was held in high regard in Acts 13 -- just by walking into town and being recognized in the Synagogue as a Pharisee.
 
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That is a good point. Paul was held in high regard in Acts 13 -- just by walking into town and being recognized in the Synagogue as a Pharisee.
How many Christians really take the time to read the Book of Romans?
Paul's extensive knowledge of the law of God and his observation of the Roman culture of the time blend to give a contemporary detail of the fallen nature of the worldly Roman's juxtaposed to the trappings afforded in righteousness that would lift those fallen into the grace of God.
Reading Romans , which of course gives a description of the Roman culture at the time is also something that reflects back on the contemporary world today and even fallen churches that turn from God and to worldly doctrines that tolerate sin and uphold immorality. (Romans 1)

That old adage, those who do not learn from their history are condemned to repeat it, ringing so in the read of the Book of Romans if we look to parallels there that are being reflected in America, Australia, even parts of European culture and laws.
Even the economic situation is repeating itself in America now as was done in Rome and with disastrous consequences.
 
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To the children of the flesh who centre worship around the historical temple in Jerusalem, then sabbath as a 24 hour observable day is necessary. You get no argument from me @BobRyan

However @BobRyan after Pentecost the worship in application moved away from temple centred worship. The laws became practiced in the heart, rather outward to the letter of the law, which stated according to Leviticus and deuteronomy, that you must do this and you must do that.

The temple became the Holy Ghost indwelled believer in Christ. So the question arises, how does one observe the Sabbath within the context of the spiitial temple where the Lord of the Sabbath dwells?

This would negate a 24 hour day. The sanctification of the Sabbath must be inward in the spirit, by ensuring our hearts remain in love and in communion with the Lord of the Sabbath.

Our observances are in the spirit to the Lord of the Sabbath who indwells us and therefore our communion is with God and not a 24 hour day. We no longer sanctify a 24 hour day but sanctify ourselves through the Spirit of God.
 
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By contrast - exegesis of Jer 31:31-33 where we are told "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" in the NEw Heavens and New Earth - for all eternity after the cross ... The Sabbath "in context" as Jeremiah and his intended readers would have known it - can not be spiritualized away into mist and fluff.

God made it abundantly clear in Gen 2:1-3 and Ex 20:8-11 that it is the real 7th day of our real week.

The commandment is very clear -- not mystical -- for those who enjoy sola-scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice.
 
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BobRyan said:
Christ was "hard to debate with as we see in Matt 22 - is that making him "JW" or Mormon?

Paul was "hard to debate with" as we see in Acts 13, in Acts 17:1-5 and in Acts 18:1-6 -- does this make him "JW" or "Mormon"???

Paul does not quote entire chapters of the OT when making his case -- neither does Christ.

But in today's marketplace - any-ol-excuse will do - in many cases to serve as "complaint" and "justification" to attack anyone who dares to freely affirm some part of the bible that others would wish to ignore or delete or downsize.

Funny how things never change.

So then - many many texts on page 1 of this thread - will go "ignored" all the while short little snippet "reference no text - quote no text" posts pile up at the end of the thread.










As we can all read - in that post sequence you offer "nothing" but snips and snipes.. No texts at all.



what??

Because the "no texts" responses to my OP as seen in that post sequence above are so "substantive"??

Because the many-many texts given here by me in the irrefutable posts on page 1 are simply "more Bible texts to be dismissed as fluff'? (If one is rejecting that part of the Bible.)
Count me a fool for Jesus.

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I think I can answer that -- I respond to your posts on rare occasion in an effort to return the thread back to the topic of the OP.
Or repeat the same C&P over and over hoping folks will think that quantity offsets quality.
 
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By contrast - exegesis of Jer 31:31-33 where we are told "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" in the NEw Heavens and New Earth - for all eternity after the cross ... The Sabbath "in context" as Jeremiah and his intended readers would have known it - can not be spiritualized away into mist and fluff.

God made it abundantly clear in Gen 2:1-3 and Ex 20:8-11 that it is the real 7th day of our real week.

The commandment is very clear -- not mystical -- for those who enjoy sola-scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice.

I don't know how you have summarised Jeremiah 31:31-33 the way that you did. The versus are as follows......

Jeremiah 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God,
and they shall be my people.

The versus quite clearly has God contrasting the differences between the old covenant and the new covenant, in that the application to how one worships God changes from outward observances of the law that were temple centred Sabbath service, to one that is inwardly centred, where the faithful becomes that temple and observances are applied inwardly in the spirit and not to the letter of the law.

In Old Testament times when Jews were far away from Jerusalem, on sabbath days they would prostrate themselves, whilst facing the direction of the temple. Now according to the new covenant we sanctify the Sabbath by focussing inwardly on our spirit, by resting with God and ceasing from works of the heart that would break the Sabbath.

Let me give you a scenario of two people, let's say for example sake that one is a seven day Adventist and one is a Catholic. Let's say the seven day Adventist who attends Saturday mass in observance, resting from his daily fleshly works, but having some ill feelings toward their brother or sister or someone else. The Catholic is at his work place and he is under extreme pressure to perform and is bullied in the work place, yet finds solace in God to say Father please forgive them.

Now who has kept the Sabbath, the seven day Adventist or the Catholic?

Believe it or not the Catholic has rested from his works, whereas in this example the seven day Adventist has continued in his spiritual works of ill feelings towards others and has failed to sanctify the Sabbath.

In the above example the reverse can be applied where the seven day Adventist keeps the sabbath by virtue of resting in God and refraining from the ill works of the spirit.

So after Pentecost what does outward fleshly observances mean to God?

Nothing.

How we conduct our spirit, regardless of our fleshly performances, is determinant of us keeping the sabbath Holy. The sabbath becomes consecrated in the heart and not according to the ritualistic performance of the flesh.

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: (Romans 2:14)

A born again believer in Christ is the walking and breathing law, where God has purposely written his laws in their heart and so our performance is judged by the things of the heart, notwithstanding fleshly ritualistic performances.

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)

So a person can outwardly perform all the Jewish ritualistic rights, yet if their hearts are far from God, then they have not entered his Sabbath rest.

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience, (Hebrews 4:8-11)

What determines obedience from disobedience, within the context of resting from their works, is the state of the heart and not fleshly performances..........


Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”

Our hearts state of being determines whether we have entered God's Sabbath rest.
 
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