Here is why the saints cannot ignore the Commandments of God - not even the TEN

[BobRyan]

Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

And 1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" even in the NT -- still

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Everyone sins and always will I don't know why you can't understand that.

This is your response to Romans 8 - every time. And yet Romans 8 is giving you your argument - it clearly states that there is ONE group that claims to be helplessly enslaved to sinning. So also does Romans 6 agree with you - that there is such a group.

But your argument 'is with the text' when you claim that they do not identify 'another group' -- one that is not a slave to sinning.

1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

1 John 2:1 "these things I write to you that you SIN NOT"
1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW"
1 John 3: 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.


1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

James chapter 2 verse 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Now please read James 2 -- not just a snippet that can be bent - but 5 or six verses 3 before and 3 after the one you are quoting. And tell me is James 2 about 'so GO AHEAD SIN - it does not matter - it would be hopeless not to "???

You keep avoiding the 3 simple questions - what about this one from your own quote of James 2?????????

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

 

[disciple1]

Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

And 1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" even in the NT -- still

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.





This is your response to Romans 8 - every time. And yet Romans 8 is giving you your argument - it clearly states that there is ONE group that claims to be helplessly enslaved to sinning. So also does Romans 6 agree with you - that there is such a group.

But your argument 'is with the text' when you claim that they do not identify 'another group' -- one that is not a slave to sinning.



1 John 2:1 "these things I write to you that you SIN NOT"
1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW"
1 John 3: 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.


1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.



Now please read James 2 -- not just a snippet that can be bent - but 5 or six verses 3 before and 3 after the one you are quoting. And tell me is James 2 about 'so GO AHEAD SIN - it does not matter - it would be hopeless not to "???

You keep avoiding the 3 simple questions - what about this one from your own quote of James 2?????????

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

Why not just admit you sin, and then follow Christ and his and god's example of love and be saved, instead of lying to your self and everyone else.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Your sinning in everything you say, because you sin, and the law is not based on faith, and it's also written anything not done by faith is sin.

 

[BobRyan]

Why not just read the Bible and accept it - instead of having to sidestep every text posted here???

your idea that an ad hominem response is the solution to every Bible text posted - is not the compelling "solves-all-bible-study-points" that you seem to have at first imagined.

 

[disciple1]

Why not just read the Bible and accept it - instead of having to sidestep every text posted here???

your idea that an ad hominem response is the solution to every Bible text posted - is not the compelling "solves-all-bible-study-points" that you seem to have at first imagined.

But everyone sins, and keeps sinning.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

 

[BobRyan]

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

But everyone sins, and keeps sinning.

Your rejection of Romans 6 and Romans 8 and Rom 3:31 -- "noted" .

Paul says that this is the view that the lost have of the LAW of God -

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

That is "included" in the "both AND" acceptance of the Bible. But in the fallacy of "either or" one must either reject Romans 8 or Reject Jeremiah 22... I reject that entire idea.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Why not just read the Bible and accept it - instead of having to sidestep every text posted here???

your idea that an ad hominem response is the solution to every Bible text posted - is not the compelling "solves-all-bible-study-points" that you seem to have at first imagined.

Speaking of sidestepping, when are you going to admit that you have set aside most of the direct commandments of God and picked and chosen only those you think you would like to obey and, even then, have molded them, especially the Fourth Commandment, to fit your personal interests?

 

[Bob S]

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.



Your rejection of Romans 6 and Romans 8 and Rom 3:31 -- "noted" .

Paul says that this is the view that the lost have of the LAW of God -

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.





That is "included" in the "both AND" acceptance of the Bible. But in the fallacy of "either or" one must either reject Romans 8 or Reject Jeremiah 22... I reject that entire idea.

How did you do it? How did you overcome sin? For goodness sake please tell us. Too bad you didn't live during the time the apostle was teaching the new covenant, you would have been the one to have give him the formula for all posterity.

According to him he was not able to overcome sin. Overcoming should be our goal, but in reality We all have to rely on the sacrifice. We do, at times, sin because it is very hard to love others as Jesus loves us. But since you have overcome and are the first one to do so then as your prophet has indicated Jesus can now return. Thank you very much.

Really, what you have cut and pasted is nothing more than a rebuke to all of us who realize that there is no Sabbath requirement in the new covenant. We cannot be righteous unless we "keep" (misnomer) the day holy, whatever that means, and is interpreted by your prophet. Since you claim that you do all the old covenant commands and we know you have not then why don't you stop posting things that make you seem self righteous and try to put us down?

 

[BobRyan]

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

But everyone sins, and keeps sinning.

Your rejection of Romans 6 and Romans 8 and Rom 3:31 -- "noted" .

Paul says that this is the view that the lost have of the LAW of God -

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

That is "included" in the "both AND" acceptance of the Bible. But in the fallacy of "either or" one must either reject Romans 8 or Reject Jeremiah 22... I reject that entire idea.

Speaking of sidestepping, when are you going to admit that you have set aside most of the direct commandments of God

Indeed you did just sidestep the texts given to you. And then "made stuff up" as the "contribution" for your post.

Why keep doing that "as if we won't notice"???

Or is it your claim that Romans 8 and Romans 6 are a denial of most of God's Word???

At some point you need to post some logic for the inexplicable posts.

How did you do it?

Simple - you first "read" Romans 8 and Romans 6 -- then accept the text rather than denying it -- then post.

Not too difficult.

 

[disciple1]

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.



Your rejection of Romans 6 and Romans 8 and Rom 3:31 -- "noted" .

Paul says that this is the view that the lost have of the LAW of God -

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.





That is "included" in the "both AND" acceptance of the Bible. But in the fallacy of "either or" one must either reject Romans 8 or Reject Jeremiah 22... I reject that entire idea.



Indeed you did just sidestep the texts given to you. And then "made stuff up" as the "contribution" for your post.

Why keep doing that "as if we won't notice"???

Or is it your claim that Romans 8 and Romans 6 are a denial of most of God's Word???

At some point you need to post some logic for the inexplicable posts.



Simple - you first "read" Romans 8 and Romans 6 -- then accept the text rather than denying it -- then post.

Not too difficult.

From what I see here if you love your free, to do anything that doesn't hurt anyone.
Romans chapter 4 verse 8
Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them."
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus said "IF you love Me KEEP My commandments" John 15:!6
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"

1 John 5:1-4 we show Love to God and love to the children of God - by keeping God's Commandments

Rev 14:12 - the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

 

[disciple1]

Jesus said "IF you love Me KEEP My commandments" John 15:!6
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"

1 John 5:1-4 we show Love to God and love to the children of God - by keeping God's Commandments

Rev 14:12 - the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

John chapter 13
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
If you sow love you reap love.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[bugkiller]

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

What sin are you questioning we're continuing in?

..
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

What sin reigns in our mortal body?

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

What is the sin you seem to be saying we're committing? Is it failure to keep the 7th day Sabbath? What does Rom 2 say about this and your claim to keep the 7th day sabbath?

Since you also emphasized slaves and whom they obey, re you not making a direct accusation to the poster?

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Please read the above passage very closely. Does it say we fulfill the law? No!!! If we're walking according to the Spirit how can we be walking according to the law? The law only regulates the flesh and doesn't change the soul. Verse 5 says those who live according to the flesh (whatever it does) set their minds on the things of the flesh (its actions). The flesh is against God according to v 7 and isn't subject to the law. Those who are in the flesh can't please God. So then trying to obey the law which is impossible isn't pleasing to God. The applicable OT passages from the Psalms and Isaiah have already been quoted in this forum.

Another thing I notice about the above passage is where one is walking and the results three of.[/quote]

Your rejection of Romans 6 and Romans 8 and Rom 3:31 -- "noted".[/quote]rejection?

Paul says that this is the view that the lost have of the LAW of God -

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Why are you still trying to regulate the flesh of others when you can't or refuse to regulate your own?

That is "included" in the "both AND" acceptance of the Bible. But in the fallacy of "either or" one must either reject Romans 8 or Reject Jeremiah 22... I reject that entire idea.



Indeed you did just sidestep the texts given to you. And then "made stuff up" as the "contribution" for your post.

Why keep doing that "as if we won't notice"???

Or is it your claim that Romans 8 and Romans 6 are a denial of most of God's Word???

What is being denied is your view of the passages. Why don't you understand we're not subject any part of that covenant made with Israel?

At some point you need to post some logic for the inexplicable posts.

You certainly do. When is it going to happen?

Simple - you first "read" Romans 8 and Romans 6 -- then accept the text rather than denying it -- then post.

The passages are fully accepted as they're written by me.

Not too difficult.

Then why don't you accept them?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus said "IF you love Me KEEP My commandments" John 15:!6

A partial quote with an improper reference twisting the meaning of the intended verse. Its a favorite of mine.
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"

1 John 5:1-4 we show Love to God and love to the children of God - by keeping God's Commandments

Rev 14:12 - the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"[/QUOTE]You and John are talking about different sets of commandments found in different covenants.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

What sin are you questioning we're continuing in?What sin reigns in our mortal body?What is the sin you seem to be saying we're committing? Is it failure to keep the 7th day Sabbath? What does Rom 2 say about this and your claim to keep the 7th day sabbath?

Since you also emphasized slaves and whom they obey, re you not making a direct accusation to the poster?Please read the above passage very closely. Does it say we fulfill the law? No!!! If we're walking according to the Spirit how can we be walking according to the law? The law only regulates the flesh and doesn't change the soul. Verse 5 says those who live according to the flesh (whatever it does) set their minds on the things of the flesh (its actions). The flesh is against God according to v 7 and isn't subject to the law. Those who are in the flesh can't please God. So then trying to obey the law which is impossible isn't pleasing to God. The applicable OT passages from the Psalms and Isaiah have already been quoted in this forum.

Another thing I notice about the above passage is where one is walking and the results three of.

Your rejection of Romans 6 and Romans 8 and Rom 3:31 -- "noted".[/quote]rejection?Why are you still trying to regulate the flesh of others when you can't or refuse to regulate your own?What is being denied is your view of the passages. Why don't you understand we're not subject any part of that covenant made with Israel?You certainly do. When is it going to happen?The passages are fully accepted as they're written by me.Then why don't you accept them?

bugkiller[/QUOTE]
You don't keep the commands.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans chapter 10 verse 4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[bugkiller]

Your rejection of Romans 6 and Romans 8 and Rom 3:31 -- "noted".

rejection?Why are you still trying to regulate the flesh of others when you can't or refuse to regulate your own?What is being denied is your view of the passages. Why don't you understand we're not subject any part of that covenant made with Israel?You certainly do. When is it going to happen?The passages are fully accepted as they're written by me.Then why don't you accept them?

bugkiller

You don't keep the commands.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans chapter 10 verse 4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

I answered this before. What commands are you talking about I don't keep? As a Christian none of the OT Covenant issued to Israel apply to me. Therefore I can't be guilty of violating them. Even Jews that believe according to Jesus (read the Gospel of John and Romans) aren't obligated to the law (covenant made with Israel) For we (Paul a Jew) are now delivered from the law. This means no obligation to the law or OC.

Amen to Christ is the end of the law so that righteousness can be extended to all who believe.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

rejection?Why are you still trying to regulate the flesh of others when you can't or refuse to regulate your own?What is being denied is your view of the passages. Why don't you understand we're not subject any part of that covenant made with Israel?You certainly do. When is it going to happen?The passages are fully accepted as they're written by me.Then why don't you accept them?

bugkillerI answered this before. What commands are you talking about I don't keep? As a Christian none of the OT Covenant issued to Israel apply to me. Therefore I can't be guilty of violating them. Even Jews that believe according to Jesus (read the Gospel of John and Romans) aren't obligated to the law (covenant made with Israel) For we (Paul a Jew) are now delivered from the law. This means no obligation to the law or OC.

Amen to Christ is the end of the law so that righteousness can be extended to all who believe.

bugkiller[/QUOT
All we have to do is love the more you love, the greater your reward, no one obeys the law new testament or old.
These verse apply to new as well as old.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus said "IF you love Me KEEP My commandments" John 14:15
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"

1 John 5:1-4 we show Love to God and love to the children of God - by keeping God's Commandments

Rev 14:12 - the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

A partial quote

Just enough so that those who agree with the text can post agreement and those opposed to it - can post their opposition.

Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
Jesus said "IF you love Me KEEP My commandments" John 14:15

Jesus' John 14:15 statement is a quote from the OT - Ex 20:6.

You and John are talking about different sets of commandments found in different covenants.
bugkiller

The same commandments we see in Mark 7:6-13.

The same commandments we see in Eph 6:2 where the FIFTH commandment is the FIRST commandment with a promise!

in Christ,

Bob

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Hey if we look at writers from the first century many did worship on sunday. Also Gentiles were not required to keep the Sabbath and Christians are gentiles so yea

O.T clearly for the sabbath was for Israel

 

[BobRyan]

Hey if we look at writers from the first century many did worship on sunday

According to the actual Bible?

 

[BobRyan]

Let's evaluate that claim "sola scriptura" --

1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week-day-1 to week-day-1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath - for all eternity.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is not ONE text in OT or NT saying "week-day-1 is now the Sabbath" or "week-day-1 is the Sabbath" or "week-day-1 is the NEW Sabbath" but we do have Ex 20:8-11 "The Seventh-day IS the Sabbath of the LORD Thy God"