Hell is not permanent.

[KCDAD]

I'll take a poke at em..


Which is the Greatest Commandment?
To Love God with all your heart mind body and soul

Why?
Because if you do then you will do your best to obey the commandments to love one another as yourself, thereby fullfilling the law.


What does God require of us?
Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with our God

BING! Correct! Now would you like to move on to the bonus round? Or do you want take your eternal life in the presence of God and quit right there?

 

[EchoPneuma]

First take your phony, hypocritical, preaching and direct it at those others, you are so adamantly defending. When you get them straightened out, come back and talk, not screech and scream, to me. Think you can handle that? I didn't think so, you can't see any of the faults in those whose views you agree with, only the other guys.

You're the only one I've seen act hateful, mean spirited, insulting and rude. If I saw them do it I would say something to them. But once again, if you're a true man of God it shouldn't matter how others treat you....you're not supposed to react the same.

And you are the only one who is doing "phony hypocritical preaching" on here. You claim to be a holy man and a pastor, yet you act like a hateful snobbish Pharisee to others. THAT is being a hypocrite.

And once again I don't care what you see, think, suppose, imagine, are convinced in your heart, God revealed to you in a vision, etc., etc., etc.

I know you don't care. THat is your problem. You don't seem to care about anything but your own ideas and doctrines. I never said anything about having a "vision"....but I DO know what God has shown me in my heart is true. And I will take that ANY DAY over the raving of some hypocritical pastor who shows no love or compassion towards those who disagree with him.

The junk that has been quoted from hellmakers is a damnable lie, I have proved it from the very sources that cess pool claims to be quoting.

That is YOUR OPINION holy man. YOUR OPINION only. You haven't proved ANYTHING with all your cut and paste....except that you aren't willing to admit when you're wrong.

Anyone who cannot, or will not see that, is a total fool.

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

You better HOPE it's not eternal pastor......

It is one thing to prove evidence wrong, but it is nothing less than satanic for someone to close their eyes and say every lexicon, Bible dictionary, language resource ever printed is wrong because one dung heap of a website says something different.

I showed you from YOUR OWN REFERENCE how you were wrong...but you won't admit it. If anyone is acting "satanic" is is YOU by your constant insulting, mocking, and hateful behavior. Those folks just disagree with your interpretations and doctrines....they haven't had the bad grace to call YOU "satanic", "blind" etc. like you have done to them.

That is on the level of saying that the definition of "person" I posted above is wrong because your favorite guru said it was.

Let's muddy the water some more huh? This is totally irrelevant and you know it.

I joined my first forum early 1999 it was only a matter of a few weeks, before I realized that the majority of people who bombard forums with their handfuls of out-of-context proof texts, and canned arguments copied from their pet website, will not change their minds. It is called cognitive dissonance. So why am I doing this?

I, I , I......I dont' know why YOU are doing this. But it doesn't appear to be for the purpose of leading others to the love and forgiveness of Jesus. If it's to show searching people how unforgiving, intolerant, rude and close minded certain Christians can be....well you're doing a heck of a job pastor. I think they are all convinced.

To counter the spread of false teachings, whenever and where ever I can. Somebody posts lies they copied from Danny Dipstick's anti-Bible website, I post the truth.

You post YOUR OWN interpretations of things. You showed what "aionion" meant and then DELIBERATELY HIGHLIGHTED ONLY THE SECONDARY MEANINGS OF THE WORD....and passed over the primary meaning.

THAT is deliberately trying to slant the evidence to make it match up with your belief.

YOU are the one posting false teachings and lies.

They don't respect me, I certainly won't respect them. Don't like it? Tough!

Ahhh yes...feel the love coming from herr pastor.

Instead of "how you want others to treat you, do you even so unto them".....he changes it to...

"if others treat me with no respect, I'll treat them worse....don't like it....TOUGH".

Tell me again why anyone should listen to a word you have to say??

 

[Soul Searcher]

BING! Correct! Now would you like to move on to the bonus round? Or do you want take your eternal life in the presence of God and quit right there?

Well gee.. let me think.... ummm... I think I'll quit while I'm ahead

 

[KCDAD]

Well gee.. let me think.... ummm... I think I'll quit while I'm ahead

ahhh you could have gone to elite, chosen status, if you could have only answered this squestion... What language does God speak and write in?
A. Greek
B. Ancient Greek
C. Hebrew
D. Ancient Hebrew
E. 16th century English
F. Aramaic
G. Ancient Aramaic
H. All of the Above (to this point)
I. Some of the Above
J. None of the Above
L. Eubonics
M. All of the Above

 

[Soul Searcher]

ahhh you could have gone to elite, chosen status, if you could have only answered this squestion... What language does God speak and write in?
A. Greek
B. Ancient Greek
C. Hebrew
D. Ancient Hebrew
E. 16th century English
F. Aramaic
G. Ancient Aramaic
H. All of the Above (to this point)
I. Some of the Above
J. None of the Above
L. Eubonics
M. All of the Above

That's ok.. i am fine with just being an average Joe but to this question my answer would have to be M Seeing as how God speakes to our hearts he speaks in whatever language that we understand.

Edit to add: Oh and to the best of my knowledge God does not write, spirit has no hands to hold a pen. If he did though I would think that he would write in tongues so that any who read would understand in his/her own language.

 

[EchoPneuma]

ahhh you could have gone to elite, chosen status, if you could have only answered this squestion... What language does God speak and write in?
A. Greek
B. Ancient Greek
C. Hebrew
D. Ancient Hebrew
E. 16th century English
F. Aramaic
G. Ancient Aramaic
H. All of the Above (to this point)
I. Some of the Above
J. None of the Above
L. Eubonics
M. All of the Above

I don't know what He spoke, but I KNOW He ate angel food cake....not Devil's food cake.

Do I get a prize???

 

[EchoPneuma]

. If he did though I would think that he would write in tounges so that any who read would understand in his/her own language.

What are "tounges"?

 

[Soul Searcher]

I don't know what He spoke, but I KNOW He ate angel food cake....not Devil's food cake.

Do I get a prize???

I'll share my average Joe status with you if you want.

 

[Soul Searcher]

What are "tounges"?

Doh tongues

 

[gort]

SS quotes:

I can see there is no way to discuss this with you but I will suggest that you think long and hard about what it means not to forgive. I also suggest that you give some serious thought about what the words just and righteous mean.

How many times does it take for me to say that biblically, to never be forgiven for that one sin really means never to be forgiven that one sin. If one has no forgiveness by the blood of Christ Jesus, then one has no forgiveness. end of story.

That is uncalled for.. I asked for an example or two of what you thought blasphemy of the HS means. You gave none, instead you mock. I guess I am left to assume that you have no idea what it means.

I put a razz smiley there on purpose, but you still don't seem to see that the blasphemyof the HS means to blaspheme the HS. You want to call that mocking, go right ahead. I'm left to assume that you're just playing games.

I have read my bible and it tells me that love covereth a multitude of sin. It tells me that mercy triumphs over judgment. It tells me that God is just and righteous holy and merciful and above all God is love. Perhaps you should ponder what these words really mean rather than assume they mean something that fits your doctorine.

ANd Jesus said there is never forgiveness for the one sin of blasphemy of the HS.

As Jesus did say this, it is part of my doctrine of understanding.

 

[EchoPneuma]

Problem is Daneel, Jesus NEVER said NEVER. THe word "ou" means "not". Why do you keep saying it means "never". Jesus didn't use the "ou me" there, which is the real greek word for "never".

You saying it doesn't make it so. If you're going to believe something, at least believe what is true.

 

[EchoPneuma]

I'll share my average Joe status with you if you want.

Oh yeah. I'm somebody now. OOHRAH!!

 

[EchoPneuma]

Doh tongues

Heh heh....don't you jezz hates the spelling police?

 

[gort]

Havahope quotes:

O I C, If the scripture leaves a blank, then daneel is allowed to fill in that blank with what he thinks should go there. Thats interesting.

I'd thought I'd said there is no description of the bodies of the dead that stand before God on judgement day?

And so back to my original question: Which body is going to be eternally tormented, the earthly body or the spiritual body which is "in Christ"?

Who knows? The dead not in Christ won't have a spiritual body like those in Christ.

Thats correct. But you did describe what kind of body they do have when they stand before God, when you said, "There are earthly bodies as we have now, and there are spiritual bodies." But you forgot to fill in one blank. Which body is it that stands before God? the earthly body as they had while they were living, or the spiritual body which you said is "in Christ"

Now you're twisting my answers. I did'nt say because Scripture does'nt say.

Yes, actually there is. Its spelled D-U-S-T.

Ok. bodies of dust will stand before God on judgement day. But I don't see that in Scripture.

Well, as I said, if you think God's memory is so faulty that He has to have a book to write down who is and who isn't saved, then I can see why you wouldn't agree.

Again, your assumption, not mine. Jesus also told the disciples their names were written in the book of Life.

 

[katallasso]

Then show me where the LOF ends.





If you say so.......

Daneel,

If the lake of fire were everlasting don't you think they would have used a word in their language that meant that and only that? The lake of fire is a very important subject and I do believe they would have wanted to leave no room for doubt.

The word is "aidios"
Lexicon Results for aidios (Strong's 126)

Pronunciation Guide aidios {ah-id'-ee-os}
TDNT ReferenceRoot Word TDNT - 1:168,25 from 104 Part of Speech adj Outline of Biblical Usage
1) eternal, everlasting
For Synonyms see entry 5801


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 2 AV - eternal 1, everlasting 1; 2
Thayer's Lexicon (Help)

Aidios...eternity

Because aidios occurs rarely in the New Testament does not prove that its place was taken by aionios. It just goes to show that less importance was attached to the bare idea of everlastingness than later theological thought has given it. It could be that the Father was more interested in His plan for the ages. Paul uses the word in Rom. 1:20, where he speaks of "the everlasting power and divinity of God." It is also used in Jude 6. The actual use of aidios should tell us something. If there is actually a greek word for "everlasting" why wasn't it used? Worth thinking about.

 

[Soul Searcher]

I put a razz smiley there on purpose, but you still don't seem to see that the blasphemyof the HS means to blaspheme the HS. You want to call that mocking, go right ahead. I'm left to assume that you're just playing games.

fyi, If someone asks you for an example or two they are not asking for you to reapeat the same statement over and over again but to give a real example of what the statement means.

Such as one who see the holy spirit in action and attributes the work of the spirit to that of the devil.

I simply wanted to know what you thought it means and I thought that you giving an example would be the best way to do that but all you do is repeat the statement.

What if one does not know what the word blaspheme means, could they ever understand what you were saying.

And once again not forgiven does not mean can not be paid. It means must be paid.

By your reasoning if someone at somepoint has committed blasphemy then from that point on they should feel totally free to commit any and every sin they can think of for the punishement will be the same if it is done once or 1 million times, if it is thier only sin or if it is the first of millions no difference according to you.

 

[red77]

I'll share my average Joe status with you if you want.

could you share it with me as well.............

 

[gort]

Daneel

Referring back to a post u made somewhere earlier..(this thread is so big its easy to lose track.....)

The reason I say I believe in a more loving/merciful God than You is because you believe that God sends people to an eternal hell

Its a not a personal attack on you, to me its a statement of pure logic.....if i believe in a god who forgives people other than those who repent in this life then i se a God who shows more love and compassion than the one who you believe in..........thats all......

I agree that GOd has more compassion for the lost than a desire to eternally condemn. Matter of fact, He has NO desire to eternally condemn.

Yet again, you make wrong assumptions about me, and others simply because we believe what God has said about hell is truth and definately part of the gospel.

Why don't you open another thread and we'll explore the multitudes of Scripture that shows that God desires all to come to repentance through the beloved Son?


Otherwise, this is a discussion and debate forum.

 

[Soul Searcher]

could you share it with me as well.............

Of course you may .. all are welcome as one

 

[timlamb]

Well.....the beginning part of your question is a bit too hypothetical to answer, i'm not sure what i would say if someone had a gun to my head, i'd probably lose bladder control but other than that i would have to be in that position to fully know......

I doubt anyone is going to change anyone's mind here either.....i know that noone is gonna be able to convince me that an eternal hell exists because inside i know it to be wrong/fear based and nothing to do with love

I'm sure that noone has ben tag teaming you though, i'm sorry that your 'ally' has seen fit to ignore you in this debate but I'm glad the moderators (so far) have sen fit to let the thread run........personally i hate it when these discussions are censored because if we're all mature adults we dont need censoring...! Any differences of opinion that go over the line should be sorted out via a pm as far as i'm concerned......

See this is why it has been so hard to walk away. You just had to say that your right and I am wrong. I love people more than you could know but you say that my belief could not be because it lacks the Love element. I trust God completely(Iknow, you do too) to do the right thing, judgement is the Lord's.
I know my questions were hypothetical. SS and KC and Hav seem to love those kind of questions, I would be interested in anyones thoughts.
Back to work,
timlamb