Hell is not permanent.

[Soul Searcher]

Just what do you think that unforgiveness of sin does imply? A free ticket to paradise? To have a sin that is "never forgiven" means just that, never forgiven, no matter how much you want it not to mean that.

I can see there is no way to discuss this with you but I will suggest that you think long and hard about what it means not to forgive. I also suggest that you give some serious thought about what the words just and righteous mean.

Let's see,.....I'm trying to remember.....yes.....it's coming to me now.........oh, yeah, I remember now......back when I was about your age, is when I first realized I needed to have reading glasses, cuz I could'nt understand an answer that somebody gave me...

That is uncalled for.. I asked for an example or two of what you thought blasphemy of the HS means. You gave none, instead you mock. I guess I am left to assume that you have no idea what it means.

Of course it's entirely true. And he says just as much. There is no payment for sin that man can make before a Holy God. Read your bible.

I have read my bible and it tells me that love covereth a multitude of sin. It tells me that mercy triumphs over judgment. It tells me that God is just and righteous holy and merciful and above all God is love. Perhaps you should ponder what these words really mean rather than assume they mean something that fits your doctorine.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]Why don't we look at your definitions with the PRIMARY definitions highlighted instead of your SECONDARY ones.[/SIZE]
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Liddell-Scott-Jones A Greek Lexicon

[SIZE=+1]αιων[/SIZE] aion onos, ho, Ion. and Ep. also he, as in Pi.P.4.186, E.Ph.1484: apocop. acc. aio like Poseido, restored by Ahrens (from AB363) in A.Ch.350: (properly aiWon, cf. aevum, v. aiei):--period of existence (to telos to periechon ton tes hekastou zoes chronon . . aion hekastou kekletai Arist.Cael.279a25 ):

I. lifetime, life, psuche te kai aion Il.16.453 ; ek d' ai. pephatai Il.19.27 ; mede toi ai. phthineto Od.5.160 ; leipei tina Il.5.685 ; ap' aionos neos oleo (Zenod. neon) 24.725; teleutan ton aiôna Hdt.1.32 , etc.; aionos sterein tina A.Pr.862 ; aiona dioichnein Id.Eu.315 ; sundiatribein Cratin. 1 ; ai. Aiakidan, periphr. for the Aeacidae, S.Aj.645 s. v. l.; apepneusen aiona E.Fr.801 ; emon kat' aiona A.Th.219 .

2. age, generation, ai. es triton ib.744; ho mellon aion posterity, D.18.199, cf. Pl.Ax.370c.

3. one's life, destiny, lot, S.Tr.34, E.Andr.1215, Fr.30, etc.

II. long space of time, age, aion gignetai 'tis an age, Men.536.5; esp. with Preps., ap' aionos of old, Hes.Th.609, Ev.Luc.1.70; hoi apo tou ai. Rhomaioi D.C. 63.20 ; di' aionos perpetually, A.Ch.26, Eu.563; all one's life long, S. El.1024; di' aionos makrou, apaustou, A.Supp.582,574; ton di' ai. chronon for ever, Id.Ag.554; eis hapanta ton ai. Lycurg.106, Isoc.10.62; eis ton ai. LXX Ge.3.23, al., D.S.21.17, Ev.Jo.8.35, Ps.-Luc. Philopatr.17; eis aiona aionos LXX Ps.131(132).14 ; ex aionos kai heos aionos ib.Je.7.7; ep' ai. ib.Ex.15.18; heos aionos ib.1 Ki.1.22, al.:-- without a Prep., ton hapanta ai. Arist. Cael.279a22; ton aiona Lycurg. 62 , Epicur.Ep.1p.8U.;eternity, opp. chronos, Pl.Ti.37d, cf. Metrod. Fr.37, Ph.1.496,619, Plot.3.7.5, etc.; tous huper tou aionos phobous Epicur.Sent.20 .

2. space of time clearly defined and marked out, epoch, age, ho aion houtos this present world, opp. ho mellon, Ev.Matt.13.22, cf. Ep.Rom.12.2; ho nun ai. 1 Ep.Tim.6.17, 2 Ep.Tim.4.10:--hence in pl., the ages, i.e. eternity, Phld.D.3 Fr.84; eis pantas tous ai. LXX To.13.4 ; eis tous ai.ib. Si.45.24, al., Ep.Rom.1.25, etc.; eis tous ai. ton aionon LXX 4 Ma.18.24 , Ep.Phil.4.20, etc.; apo ton ai., pro ton ai., Ep.Eph.3.9, 1Cor.2.7; ta tele ton ai. ib.10.11.
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[SIZE=+1]αιωνιος[/SIZE] aionios , on, also a, on Pl. Ti.37d, Ep.Heb.9.12:--lasting for an age (aion 11 ),perpetual/eternal(but dist. fr. aidios, Plot.3.7.3), methe Pl.R. 363d ; anolethron . . all' ouk aionion Id.Lg.904a , cf. Epicur. Sent.28; ai. kata psuchen ochlesis Id.Nat.131 G.; kaka, deina, Phld.Herc. 1251.18, D.1.13; ai. amoibais basanisthesomenoi ib.19; tou ai. theou Ep.Rom. 16.26 , Ti.Locr.96c; ou chronie mounon . . all' aionie Aret.CA1.5 ; ai. diatheke, nomimon, prostagma, LXX Ge.9.16, Ex.27.21, To.1.6; zoe Ev.Matt.25.46 , Porph.Abst.4.20; kolasis Ev.Matt. l.c., Olymp. in Grg.p.278J.; pro chronon ai.2 Ep.Tim. 1.9 : opp. proskairos, 2 Ep.Cor. 4.18

2. holding an office or title for life perpetual, gumnasiarchos CPHerm.62 .

3. = Lat. saecularis, Phleg.Macr.4.

4. Adv. -ios eternally, nous akinetos ai. panta ôn Procl.Inst.172 , cf. Simp. in Epict.p.77D.; perpetually, misein Sch.E.Alc.338.

5. aionion, to, = aeizoon to mega, Ps.-Dsc.4.88.

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[SIZE=-1]Good... we can see what the meaning is PRIMARILY. This shoots down your whole premise. The meaning for "aionios" as eternal is a DISTANT SECOND to it's primary meaning as shown by the highlighted words above.[/SIZE]

Shoots down nothing! NADA! Unless I missed that part in English, German, Greek, and Hebrew classes that only the primary definition is valid. Care to show me that rule, anywhere?

Here, for example, is the M-W definition for "person." Which of these 7 definitions are not valid, or are false?

Main Entry: per•son
Pronunciation: 'p&r-s&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French persone, from Latin persona actor's mask, character in a play, person, probably from Etruscan phersu mask, from Greek prosOpa, plural of prosOpon face, mask -- more at PROSOPOPOEIA
1 : HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL -- sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes <chairperson> <spokesperson>
2 : a character or part in or as if in a play : GUISE
3 a : one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians b : the unitary personality of Christ that unites the divine and human natures.
4 a archaic : bodily appearance b : the body of a human being; also : the body and clothing <unlawful search of the person>
5 : the personality of a human being : SELF
6 : one (as a human being, a partnership, or a corporation) that is recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties.
7 : reference of a segment of discourse to the speaker, to one spoken to, or to one spoken of as indicated by means of certain pronouns or in many languages by verb inflection
- per&#8226;son&#8226;hood /-"hud/ noun​

And your attempt to tear down the LSJ definition, here, proves your cut/paste from hellmakers, showing only the "limited time" definition, was a pack of lies.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]I'm not making up anything. "Aionios" means "for an age" and not "eternal". Therefore the LOF is "for an age" and not "eternal" since the LOF is called "aionios" in Revelation. An "age" has a beginning and an end....else it would be eternal. The other ages had a beginning and an end and this one will too. WHen this age ends, the LOF will end too. It will endure "through the age".

If you want to act silly and not accept simple logic, then that is your perogative.

YOu didn't answer my question. If Jesus said "love your enemies".....why do you believe God is going to do less?[/SIZE]

You quoted Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) classical Greek lexicon, from my post, showing beyond any shadow of a doubt that [SIZE=+1]&#945;&#953;&#969;&#957;[/SIZE] aion also has the meaning, eternal, unending, forever, etc. Then you dare to say, "I'm not making up anything. "Aionios" means "for an age" and not "eternal""

You are in fact making stuff up. Your statement is deadly, unbiblical, poison! LSJ is irrefutable, undeniable, anyone who would say different, the truth is not in them.

 

[Havahope]

There is no Scripture for the third kind of body.

O I C, If the scripture leaves a blank, then daneel is allowed to fill in that blank with what he thinks should go there. Thats interesting.

There are earthly bodies as we have now, and there are spiritual bodies.

Yeppers, that is correct.

The spiritual bodies are those in Christ.

And so back to my original question: Which body is going to be eternally tormented, the earthly body or the spiritual body which is "in Christ"?

The dead are not described as to what kind of body they do have when they stand before God. (Rev. 20.12)

Thats correct. But you did describe what kind of body they do have when they stand before God, when you said, "There are earthly bodies as we have now, and there are spiritual bodies." But you forgot to fill in one blank. Which body is it that stands before God? the earthly body as they had while they were living, or the spiritual body which you said is "in Christ"

It was your assumption that they have the spiritual bodies, which is'nt found in Scripture.

No, I didn't assume anything. You are the one who said, "There are earthly bodies as we have now, and there are spiritual bodies." . . . . . "The spiritual bodies are those in Christ."

There is no description for the dead.

Yes, actually there is. Its spelled D-U-S-T.

So now you're spiritualizing the book of life?
Interesting, but I don't agree.

Well, as I said, if you think God's memory is so faulty that He has to have a book to write down who is and who isn't saved, then I can see why you wouldn't agree.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]And so back to my original question: Which body is going to be eternally tormented, the earthly body or the spiritual body which is "in Christ"?

Thats correct. But you did describe what kind of body they do have when they stand before God, when you said, "There are earthly bodies as we have now, and there are spiritual bodies." But you forgot to fill in one blank. Which body is it that stands before God? the earthly body as they had while they were living, or the spiritual body which you said is "in Christ"

Yes, actually there is. Its spelled D-U-S-T.[/SIZE]

Back to my original answer. It does not matter. With God all things are possible. If God decrees a thing to happen, it will happen. Body, no body, spiritual, physical, or none of the above.

[SIZE=-1]Well, as I said, if you think God's memory is so faulty that He has to have a book to write down who is and who isn't saved, then I can see why you wouldn't agree.[/SIZE]

You're right God knows who and who is not saved. The book of life is not for God, it is for us. Just as the Bible is not for God, he knows what he said. It is for us.

 

[timlamb]

If we were all arested for being Christians in Afghanistan, and they used this thread as evidence, how many of us do you think they could convict?
And if they put guns to our heads, how many of us believe in our position here so strongly we would die for it?
And if we were killed, which ones would have been martyred for Christ?
These may seem like pointless questions, but I just went back ten pages trying to get a feel for all that has gone on since I went to work, and I had to laugh. If anyone on theis thread still thinks they are going to change someones mind, they must be dilusional. I think some here just like to argue, and others are just to proud to walk away, and to arrogant to let it go.
I think the latter probably fits me best. A while back I nearly begged the moderators to lock up this thing, I really don't think there is anything to be gained from carrying this any farther, but I can't seem to stay away.
Strangely, I have become comfortable here and even developed some unexplainable attatchment for some of you.
Another oddity; I have watched the group of Universalists, who all believe something very different, unite agaiunst a common enemy, eternal hell. And yet my closest ally in the faith we share, has spoken nary a word to me, and did not even respond to a privet message. I couldnt decide whether you guys were tag teaming me or gang tackling some days.
Oh well, spring has sprung, and I have things to do out side. I also have a book I am trying to write but have been neglecting it for this.
I have learned much so it has not been a waste, but I, like you, I am sure, have only become stronger in my beliefs. I think I said something like this about 500 posts ago and it got totally ignored.
I'll check back to see if anyone of you had anything to say worth reading, but if I try to post, tell me to get to work.
see ya
timlamb

 

[red77]

If we were all arested for being Christians in Afghanistan, and they used this thread as evidence, how many of us do you think they could convict?
And if they put guns to our heads, how many of us believe in our position here so strongly we would die for it?
And if we were killed, which ones would have been martyred for Christ?
These may seem like pointless questions, but I just went back ten pages trying to get a feel for all that has gone on since I went to work, and I had to laugh. If anyone on theis thread still thinks they are going to change someones mind, they must be dilusional. I think some here just like to argue, and others are just to proud to walk away, and to arrogant to let it go.
I think the latter probably fits me best. A while back I nearly begged the moderators to lock up this thing, I really don't think there is anything to be gained from carrying this any farther, but I can't seem to stay away.
Strangely, I have become comfortable here and even developed some unexplainable attatchment for some of you.
Another oddity; I have watched the group of Universalists, who all believe something very different, unite agaiunst a common enemy, eternal hell. And yet my closest ally in the faith we share, has spoken nary a word to me, and did not even respond to a privet message. I couldnt decide whether you guys were tag teaming me or gang tackling some days.
Oh well, spring has sprung, and I have things to do out side. I also have a book I am trying to write but have been neglecting it for this.
I have learned much so it has not been a waste, but I, like you, I am sure, have only become stronger in my beliefs. I think I said something like this about 500 posts ago and it got totally ignored.
I'll check back to see if anyone of you had anything to say worth reading, but if I try to post, tell me to get to work.
see ya
timlamb

Well.....the beginning part of your question is a bit too hypothetical to answer, i'm not sure what i would say if someone had a gun to my head, i'd probably lose bladder control but other than that i would have to be in that position to fully know......

I doubt anyone is going to change anyone's mind here either.....i know that noone is gonna be able to convince me that an eternal hell exists because inside i know it to be wrong/fear based and nothing to do with love

I'm sure that noone has ben tag teaming you though, i'm sorry that your 'ally' has seen fit to ignore you in this debate but I'm glad the moderators (so far) have sen fit to let the thread run........personally i hate it when these discussions are censored because if we're all mature adults we dont need censoring...! Any differences of opinion that go over the line should be sorted out via a pm as far as i'm concerned......

 

[red77]

Then show me where the LOF ends.





If you say so.......

Daneel

Referring back to a post u made somewhere earlier..(this thread is so big its easy to lose track.....)

The reason I say I believe in a more loving/merciful God than You is because you believe that God sends people to an eternal hell

Its a not a personal attack on you, to me its a statement of pure logic.....if i believe in a god who forgives people other than those who repent in this life then i se a God who shows more love and compassion than the one who you believe in..........thats all......

 

[red77]

I don't care how you take it. You know that you've been taunting and mocking them since this began. If you choose to play innocent now that's your problem.



THEY don't see them as lies holy man. They see them as the truth. They see what YOU are saying as the lies....but I don't see them slinging the insults at you that you are slinging at them. Yet, you want to whine that they are asking "entrapment" questions of you. Buy a clue will ya?

How should you respond? Egods man....that you have to ask is truly pathetic. How about like Jesus told you to do? "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES"..."DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO INSULT YOU" (not that they are) "BE KIND TO THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU" (not that they are).

Instead you mock, insult, criticize, put down, and generally act hateful to them. YOu think that's going to lead them to the Lord, pastor?

Or are you more interested in coming out on top of your little debate than in showing the love of God to lost souls? God is watching. Do you REALLY think He is pleased with the way you've treated these folks on this thread? With the level of kindness, compassion, love and patience you've shown them during this debate?

And don't you DARE come back with "nonny nonny boo boo" they did it first. You are SUPPOSED to be a holy man and a CHristian who does what is RIGHT and acts in love, no matter what anyone else does or how they act towards you.

Is that what you've done?

Well......................I had no idea that You were a pastor Der Alter.........!

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]I don't care how you take it. You know that you've been taunting and mocking them since this began. If you choose to play innocent now that's your problem.

THEY don't see them as lies holy man. They see them as the truth. They see what YOU are saying as the lies....but I don't see them slinging the insults at you that you are slinging at them. Yet, you want to whine that they are asking "entrapment" questions of you. Buy a clue will ya?

How should you respond? Egods man....that you have to ask is truly pathetic. How about like Jesus told you to do? "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES"..."DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO INSULT YOU" (not that they are) "BE KIND TO THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU" (not that they are).

Instead you mock, insult, criticize, put down, and generally act hateful to them. YOu think that's going to lead them to the Lord, pastor?

Or are you more interested in coming out on top of your little debate than in showing the love of God to lost souls? God is watching. Do you REALLY think He is pleased with the way you've treated these folks on this thread? With the level of kindness, compassion, love and patience you've shown them during this debate?

And don't you DARE come back with "nonny nonny boo boo" they did it first. You are SUPPOSED to be a holy man and a CHristian who does what is RIGHT and acts in love, no matter what anyone else does or how they act towards you.

Is that what you've done?[/SIZE]

First take your phony, hypocritical, preaching and direct it at those others, you are so adamantly defending. When you get them straightened out, come back and talk, not screech and scream, to me. Think you can handle that? I didn't think so, you can't see any of the faults in those whose views you agree with, only the other guys.

And once again I don't care what you see, think, suppose, imagine, are convinced in your heart, God revealed to you in a vision, etc., etc., etc. The junk that has been quoted from hellmakers is a damnable lie, I have proved it from the very sources that cess pool claims to be quoting. Anyone who cannot, or will not see that, is a total fool.

It is one thing to prove evidence wrong, but it is nothing less than satanic for someone to close their eyes and say every lexicon, Bible dictionary, language resource ever printed is wrong because one dung heap of a website says something different.

That is on the level of saying that the definition of "person" I posted above is wrong because your favorite guru said it was.

I joined my first forum early 1999 it was only a matter of a few weeks, before I realized that the majority of people who bombard forums with their handfuls of out-of-context proof texts, and canned arguments copied from their pet website, will not change their minds. It is called cognitive dissonance. So why am I doing this?

To counter the spread of false teachings, whenever and where ever I can. Somebody posts lies they copied from Danny Dipstick's anti-Bible website, I post the truth. They don't respect me, I certainly won't respect them. Don't like it? Tough!

 

[KCDAD]

There are 31,172, or 3, verses in the Bible. What should I do with the other 31,170 verses while you are playing "Bet you can't answer this?"

I have every confidence you can answer these questions. That's why I asked them, to help you see what is important. NOT Aristotle's treatise on time. Not 70 Jews in Alexandria, nor early Greek or Roman "church fathers" who thought the world was flat and the center of the universe, spirits inhabited the brains of mentally ill people, and our personalities were in our livers.

 

[KCDAD]

I always get as kick out of these aion/olam discussions..
it is clear there are different meanings to words in different contexts... Person could mean a guise... unless it was being used in common sense usage. "What a nice person he is..." In this case it would never be taken that way except by a Pharisee who is trying to play with what "is" is.
It was and is common to say forever or eternity when we mean a really long time: I am never gonna speak to you again, I will be your friend forever, I have been waiting an eternity for the phone to ring... NO ONE thinks we really mean anything other than a really long time.
Criminetly, these guys thought the world was flat and ruled by magic! How could they grasp eternity?

 

[red77]

First take your phony, hypocritical, preaching and direct it at those others, you are so adamantly defending. When you get them straightened out, come back and talk, not screech and scream, to me. Think you can handle that? I didn't think so, you can't see any of the faults in those whose views you agree with, only the other guys.

And once again I don't care what you see, think, suppose, imagine, are convinced in your heart, God revealed to you in a vision, etc., etc., etc. The junk that has been quoted from hellmakers is a damnable lie, I have proved it from the very sources that cess pool claims to be quoting. Anyone who cannot, or will not see that, is a total fool.

It is one thing to prove evidence wrong, but it is nothing less than satanic for someone to close their eyes and say every lexicon, Bible dictionary, language resource ever printed is wrong because one dung heap of a website says something different.

That is on the level of saying that the definition of "person" I posted above is wrong because your favorite guru said it was.

I joined my first forum early 1999 it was only a matter of a few weeks, before I realized that the majority of people who bombard forums with their handfuls of out-of-context proof texts, and canned arguments copied from their pet website, will not change their minds. It is called cognitive dissonance. So why am I doing this?

To counter the spread of false teachings, whenever and where ever I can. Somebody posts lies they copied from Danny Dipstick's anti-Bible website, I post the truth. They don't respect me, I certainly won't respect them. Don't like it? Tough!

Just how many people would you expect to convert by calling them 'total fools' when they dare to take issue with you? For the record i dont need 'straightening out' either.......I' will apologise for my early posts on this thead that were heated, since then I, along with others have tried to reason and be rational but you insist on making insulting and denegrating remarks,If you are in fact a pastor do you speak to your congregation the same way in which you speak to people here? All i see from virtually every post submitted
by you is anger and intolerance........and i fail to see how you can level that accusation at anyone else here........

 

[Soul Searcher]

I'll check back to see if anyone of you had anything to say worth reading, but if I try to post, tell me to get to work.
see ya
timlamb

See ya.. Good luck with the book

if you're reading this then GET BACK TO WORK

 

[red77]

I always get as kick out of these aion/olam discussions..
it is clear there are different meanings to words in different contexts... Person could mean a guise... unless it was being used in common sense usage. "What a nice person he is..." In this case it would never be taken that way except by a Pharisee who is trying to play with what "is" is.
It was and is common to say forever or eternity when we mean a really long time: I am never gonna speak to you again, I will be your friend forever, I have been waiting an eternity for the phone to ring... NO ONE thinks we really mean anything other than a really long time.
Criminetly, these guys thought the world was flat and ruled by magic! How could they grasp eternity?

Exactly.......! noone can grasp eternity, its impossible to comprehend now never mind then.........

 

[EchoPneuma]

Shoots down nothing! NADA! Unless I missed that part in English, German, Greek, and Hebrew classes that only the primary definition is valid. Care to show me that rule, anywhere?

You're so transparent. I've shown how the PRIMARY definition for "aionion" is NOT eternal. Yet you INSIST that the defintion of it as shown in the bible IS eternal, and not the PRIMARY meaning of "age enduring". It shows alot about you pastor that you would RATHER go with the distant secondary defintion for "aionion" in reference to hell, than the PRIMARY meaning as shown by your OWN REFERENCES. Apparently you WANT SO BADLY to believe in an eternal place of torment that you're willing to just skip over the PRIMARY meaning of the word "aionios" and prefer instead to grab hold of the secondary meaning to define the punishment.

Speaks volumes.....

Here, for example, is the M-W definition for "person." Which of these 7 definitions are not valid, or are false?

Main Entry: per•son
Pronunciation: 'p&r-s&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French persone, from Latin persona actor's mask, character in a play, person, probably from Etruscan phersu mask, from Greek prosOpa, plural of prosOpon face, mask -- more at PROSOPOPOEIA
1 : HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL -- sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes <chairperson> <spokesperson>
2 : a character or part in or as if in a play : GUISE
3 a : one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians b : the unitary personality of Christ that unites the divine and human natures.
4 a archaic : bodily appearance b : the body of a human being; also : the body and clothing <unlawful search of the person>
5 : the personality of a human being : SELF
6 : one (as a human being, a partnership, or a corporation) that is recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties.
7 : reference of a segment of discourse to the speaker, to one spoken to, or to one spoken of as indicated by means of certain pronouns or in many languages by verb inflection

- per•son•hood /-"hud/ noun​

Blah blah blah....let's now change the subject so we don't have to look at the fact that Der Alter has just lost his point.
​

And your attempt to tear down the LSJ definition, here, proves your cut/paste from hellmakers, showing only the "limited time" definition, was a pack of lies.

Still slinging the insults I see. I don't have any idea what you're talking about by "hellmakers", but if anyone is constructing a "hell" here it is YOU, holy man.

I didn't say that "aionion" ONLY meant "limited time", I showed the PRIMARY meaning FROM YOUR OWN REFERENCE. It was YOU who was trying to skip over that primary meaning and HIGHLIGHT the secondary meanings to make it appear that it only meant "eternal". I turned the tables on you and you are squealing like a baby.

You are accusing others of what you are doing yourself.

 

[Soul Searcher]

Ah yes the perennial, "One question that totally, absolutely, utterly, completely, destroys the doctrine of ET and no traditional Christian can answer."

Why could they not answer the question. I fully expected an answer to the question and was hoping for an honest straight forward answer. What I get are accusations and side stepping. No one has given a direct answer to the question. Why is that do you think?

Funny I never see Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, etc. asking baiting questions like that. BUT I do remember seeing the Pharisees constantly asking such questions.

Something to think about.

Right back at ya.. The ones here acting as a Pharisee are certianly not those who are touting the love and mercy of God for all mankind.

 

[EchoPneuma]

You quoted Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) classical Greek lexicon, from my post, showing beyond any shadow of a doubt that [SIZE=+1]&#945;&#953;&#969;&#957;[/SIZE] aion also has the meaning, eternal, unending, forever, etc. Then you dare to say, "I'm not making up anything. "Aionios" means "for an age" and not "eternal""

You are in fact making stuff up. Your statement is deadly, unbiblical, poison! LSJ is irrefutable, undeniable, anyone who would say different, the truth is not in them.

I'm doing no different than you when you say that even though the PRIMARY meaning is "for an age" that it REALLY means "eternal" in reference to hell.

You're making stuff up. You're statement is "deadly, unbiblical poison". The truth is not in you pastor.

 

[katallasso]

Der Alter....If "tentmaker" is such a great scholar why doesn't he list his name? You sure put a lot of trust in someone whose name you don't even know.

Tentmaker is Gary Amirault, he doesn't hide it, just shows you really haven't taken the time to read any of it. Took me about 5 seconds to find this information.

 

[Soul Searcher]

I'll take a poke at em..


Which is the Greatest Commandment?
To Love God with all your heart mind body and soul

Why?
Because if you do then you will do your best to obey the commandments to love one another as yourself, thereby fullfilling the law.


What does God require of us?
Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with our God