Harry Potter should not be watched by Christians.

[timothyu]

So you are mocking the idea that he was getting rid of the things of this world?

God didn't create the universe for us to free ourselves of it. He just expects us to care for others before ourselves.

 

[SPF]

Most folks do not realize that most of all the New Testament portion of their Modern Translations are based upon Westcott and Hort's Greek text. These men were occultists.

Well this explains a lot. You're a KJV only kind of a guy who apparently sees the occult everywhere else.

I also can't help but notice you're still intentionally ignoring the actual questions I ask. Can you show me in the Hebrew where it says "of it" in the I Chronicles passage? Can you let me know what Hebrew word is used that we get the English translation "of it" from? Surely it wasn't something the translators added, right?

Finally, can you please help me understand whether or not all fantasy and imagination is immoral or just some? I used the Veggie Tales as a specific example. Should our children stay away from the Veggie Tales?

 

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God didn't create the universe for us to free ourselves of it. He just expects us to care for others before ourselves.

Love not the world and neither the things in the world is in 1 John 2:15-17 is a part of Scripture. It is reference in not to the creation, but it is in reference to how we are not to love the ideas, philosophies, material goods, and inventions of men. We are not to love the world system, or worldly politics, or worldly entertainment, or worldly government systems, etc.; Jesus said where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. This is why folks cannot see what this topic is talking about. The idols of entertainment is hard to take down out of one's life.

 

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Well this explains a lot. You're a KJV only kind of a guy who apparently sees the occult everywhere else.

I also can't help but notice you're still intentionally ignoring the actual questions I ask. Can you show me in the Hebrew where it says "of it" in the I Chronicles passage? Can you let me know what Hebrew word is used that we get the English translation "of it" from? Surely it wasn't something the translators added, right?

Finally, can you please help me understand whether or not all fantasy and imagination is immoral or just some? I used the Veggie Tales as a specific example. Should our children stay away from the Veggie Tales?

I really find it tiresome to deal with topics that are obvious in that they are evil. It's like we are debating whether or not rape, or child abuse as being wrong or something stupid like that. But people defend what they enjoy despite the darkness within those things they like. It's why they cannot see why it is wrong, and it's the only reason. Rational thinking and logic has very little to do with their defense of the occult in fantasy.

I cannot say whether or not Veggie Tales promotes witchcraft or the occult. I do not really watch it. Harry Potter and Narnia promote spells and witchcraft, and the occult. Spells, the occult, and witchcraft is real. These real things are mixed into the fictional stories of Harry Potter and Narnia. Within these fantasy narratives, they are laced with the rat poison of the real world of the occult, real witchcraft, and spells.

 

[timothyu]

Love not the world and neither the things in the world is in 1 John 2:15-17 is a part of Scripture. It is reference in not to the creation, but it is in reference to how we are not to love the ideas, philosophies, material goods, and inventions of men. We are not to love the world system, or worldly politics, or worldly entertainment, or worldly government systems, etc.; Jesus said where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. This is why folks cannot see what this topic is talking about. The idols of entertainment is hard to take down out of one's life.

That was Jesus' whole point. The world of man is built upon self interest while the Kingdom is built upon interest in others. Why pick on movies when the whole world runs backwards to the will of God?

 

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That was Jesus' whole point. The world of man is built upon self interest while the Kingdom is built upon interest in others. Why pick on movies when the whole world runs backwards to the will of God?

Because the church needs a wake up call. They think they can hold hands with loving the world, and yet also hold hands with loving Jesus. It doesn't work like that. God will in time talk to their heart in giving these things up if they truly want to radically follow Jesus.

 

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Well this explains a lot. You're a KJV only kind of a guy who apparently sees the occult everywhere else.

I also can't help but notice you're still intentionally ignoring the actual questions I ask. Can you show me in the Hebrew where it says "of it" in the I Chronicles passage? Can you let me know what Hebrew word is used that we get the English translation "of it" from? Surely it wasn't something the translators added, right?

Finally, can you please help me understand whether or not all fantasy and imagination is immoral or just some? I used the Veggie Tales as a specific example. Should our children stay away from the Veggie Tales?

Again, you have to fight facts. Kids have already testified to wanting to dabble into witchcraft on the account of watching Harry Potter. So yes; It does have a bad influence whether you want to see such facts or not. This is the problem that you and many others here want to ignore.

 

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[SPF]

Narnia promote spells and witchcraft, and the occult. Spells, the occult, and witchcraft is real. These real things are mixed into the fictional stories of Harry Potter and Narnia.

I certainly agree that there are elements of witchcraft in the Narnia series. But don't you think there is a difference between portraying elements of witchcraft and promoting witchcraft? Can you provide a specific example from the Chronicles of Narnia where you think Lewis was actually promoting witchcraft?

For example, if someone made a movie about the encounter Saul had with the witch of endor, the movie would obviously contain elements and portrayals of witchcraft. Yet, if it was true to the Biblical text, it would not be promoting witchcraft, just portraying it.

Do you not think there is a difference between portraying something and promoting it?

Can you provide a specific example from Narnia where you think Lewis was actually promoting and encouraging his readers to engage in witchcraft?

I cannot say whether or not Veggie Tales promotes witchcraft or the occult. I do not really watch it

Yet, I think you can say that as long as Veggie Tales isn't promoting witchcraft or the occult that it might be OK to watch? If so, then you might also be willing to acknowledge that it is possible to watch fantasy based shows/movies?

And once again, I couldn't help but notice you completely ignored my question about the I Chronicles passage. I'm not surprised though as it may take you some time to find a website that gives you the answer. But here's the question again:

Can you show me in the Hebrew where it says "of it" in the I Chronicles passage? Can you let me know what Hebrew word is used that we get the English translation "of it" from? Surely it wasn't something the translators added, right?

 

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[dms1972]

Children love imagination, and linking things that appear to be connected.
If you like mountain walking, 6 miles is a long way, but in a car at 60 mph it is 6 minutes. It is this scale that fanatasy books use, to help us explore, question and dream.

And without dreamers we get no technology or discoveries or advances. So many scientists died before there dreams became true, or discoveries they made were used in a big way. This is why I laugh at materialists and determinists, because they have no clue how the world around them came into being, through the creative imagination of fellow human beings, and because of Gods creative power and love.

The two, magic and science are still unrelated. Being able to say "up" and have a broom defy gravity is lazy, as well as being nonsense. Planes don't defy gravity, they are designed to work in accord with the laws of physics. Scientists can dream, but they also have to be disciplined as to what is actually possible. Einstein most probably dreamed, but then he had to sit down and work out is this idea mathematically possible. The magic in Harry potter is chaotic, because its a fantasy story you can depict anything, there is really little attempt to depict a cosmos with any sort of order or harmony.

I remember an old comic strip about this kid with a transistor radio, that could emit rays of light that could shrink things and other stuff, or make them lighter than air, but things didn't stay shrunk, or lighter than air for always. Similiarly with Alice in Wonderland, some things she eats make her too small, or too big to do other things. These stories teach that gaining an advantage in one way, often's costs you in another way. That idea of a price to be paid seems lacking in Harry Potter magic.

 

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I certainly agree that there are elements of witchcraft in the Narnia series. But don't you think there is a difference between portraying elements of witchcraft and promoting witchcraft? Can you provide a specific example from the Chronicles of Narnia where you think Lewis was actually promoting witchcraft?

For example, if someone made a movie about the encounter Saul had with the witch of endor, the movie would obviously contain elements and portrayals of witchcraft. Yet, if it was true to the Biblical text, it would not be promoting witchcraft, just portraying it.

Do you not think there is a difference between portraying something and promoting it?

Can you provide a specific example from Narnia where you think Lewis was actually promoting and encouraging his readers to engage in witchcraft?

Yet, I think you can say that as long as Veggie Tales isn't promoting witchcraft or the occult that it might be OK to watch? If so, then you might also be willing to acknowledge that it is possible to watch fantasy based shows/movies?

And once again, I couldn't help but notice you completely ignored my question about the I Chronicles passage. I'm not surprised though as it may take you some time to find a website that gives you the answer. But here's the question again:

Can you show me in the Hebrew where it says "of it" in the I Chronicles passage? Can you let me know what Hebrew word is used that we get the English translation "of it" from? Surely it wasn't something the translators added, right?

If there is no message on the correction on how witchcraft is a sin, then it is promoting witchcraft. That is why parents let their kids run around and fantasize about being a witch. Adults even dress up as witches on Halloween. They think it is all just make believe, but they really do not think that witchcraft is real and if they do, they really do not want to think about what they are doing as being wrong. Witchcraft is a sin that is condemned in God's Holy Word many times.

 

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I certainly agree that there are elements of witchcraft in the Narnia series. But don't you think there is a difference between portraying elements of witchcraft and promoting witchcraft? Can you provide a specific example from the Chronicles of Narnia where you think Lewis was actually promoting witchcraft?

For example, if someone made a movie about the encounter Saul had with the witch of endor, the movie would obviously contain elements and portrayals of witchcraft. Yet, if it was true to the Biblical text, it would not be promoting witchcraft, just portraying it.

Do you not think there is a difference between portraying something and promoting it?

Can you provide a specific example from Narnia where you think Lewis was actually promoting and encouraging his readers to engage in witchcraft?

Yet, I think you can say that as long as Veggie Tales isn't promoting witchcraft or the occult that it might be OK to watch? If so, then you might also be willing to acknowledge that it is possible to watch fantasy based shows/movies?

And once again, I couldn't help but notice you completely ignored my question about the I Chronicles passage. I'm not surprised though as it may take you some time to find a website that gives you the answer. But here's the question again:

Can you show me in the Hebrew where it says "of it" in the I Chronicles passage? Can you let me know what Hebrew word is used that we get the English translation "of it" from? Surely it wasn't something the translators added, right?

Just because you slap the label Christian on it, does not make it Christian.

 

[dms1972]

I certainly agree that there are elements of witchcraft in the Narnia series. But don't you think there is a difference between portraying elements of witchcraft and promoting witchcraft?

Precisely. There is all the difference in the world. A story in which children battle with the help of a Lion an old witch / evil queen is a world away from a story in which the children are witches or wizards themselves.

There's a moral core in the Narnia books, for example when Edmund eats enchanted turkish delight it comes with a price, he wants more and more, and becomes willing to do whatever the witch asks, neither is he able to free himself by his own cleverness, it takes Aslan to sacrifice himself for Edmund to be redeemed.

The kids at Hogwarts stuff their gobs with enchanted food all the time, does anything ever happen - other than that they grow up without a clue it costs money to put a meal on the table?

 

[dms1972]

Not like what is portrayed in the movies. Although the owl wintering in my trees gives me pause.

How cool, to have an owl in your garden. You'll be fine - so long as no one turns you into a mouse!

 

[SPF]

If there is no message on the correction on how witchcraft is a sin, then it is promoting witchcraft.

Interesting, I think then that Narnia is probably a good series.

I think of when the children were there at the beginning of time and watched as Aslan created the world. I think of how the antagonist in the story used magic, which was contrasted with love and sacrifice, like when we saw Aslan sacrifice himself.

Indeed, I can't think of a single time in the chronicles of Narnia where CS Lewis promoted the use of witchcraft. And since you have yet to actually provide one of these examples, I can only assume that you agree that there are none.

And as for all the other questions you once again ignored, I'll grant your wish and not bring them up again as I know you probably weren't able to find a website that supported your beliefs on them yet.

 

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[dms1972]

I think christians push the christian parallels in Narnia too much, and its sort of self-defeating. Lewis only hinted at some christian parallels, but now its become almost an industry writing books pointing them out - which defeats the purpose he had in mind, they are not strict allegories.

 

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I think christians push the christian parallels in Narnia too much, and its sort of self-defeating. Lewis only hinted at some christian parallels, but now its become almost an industry writting books pointing them out - which defeats the purpose he had in mind, they are not strict allegories.

Spells and magic exists in Narnia. Again, anyone who reads the Bible knows that witchcraft, spell casting, or sorcery is condemned with hell fire and it is an abomination to God. Again, it would be like having a Christian movie based on fornication, or drunkenness, etc.; Just because the author declared himself to be Christian does not mean anything. The fact that Christians declare Narnia to be a Christian movie does not mean anything. The visible fruit of evil is present in these books, and movies, and they are not rebuked or corrected as sin.

 

[SPF]

Check out this blogger article here:
End Times Blog: The Real C.S. Lewis Exposed - Narnia's Occult Agenda
(Note: I do not agree with the author's view on how he denies works as a part of the salvation process; Note: I believe good works is a part of the Sanctification in the salvation process after we are saved by God's grace. This is following what the Bible says alone about Sanctification and not a church doctrine, or creed, tradition, etc.; Verses on Grace and Sanctification for salvation, see: John 5:24, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, and James 2:24.).

If you have something you want to share from yourself, then go ahead, but I'm not going to go following and reading all your website links. I could easily post 10 that disagree with you for every 1 you post, but I prefer to actually use my own self to engage in conversation.

I think then that Narnia is probably a good series.

I think of when the children were there at the beginning of time and watched as Aslan created the world. I think of how the antagonist in the story used magic, which was contrasted with love and sacrifice, like when we saw Aslan sacrifice himself.

Indeed, I can't think of a single time in the chronicles of Narnia where CS Lewis promoted the use of witchcraft. And since you have yet to actually provide one of these examples, I can only assume that you agree that there are none.

And as for all the other questions you once again ignored, I'll grant your wish and not bring them up again as I know you probably weren't able to find a website that supported your beliefs on them yet.