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Harry Potter should not be watched by Christians.

Can Christians fill their minds with Harry Potter, Narnia, & other magic type fantasy?


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We do not fight against flesh and blood. We fight against a much more intelligent realm and group of supernatural beings form another dimension.

Hollywood is not winning any awards for it's righteousness. It overwhelms us with sex, violence and other ungodly fair. Satan is at the helm... From HP to Dead pool, to all the super hero movies that numb us to the demi gods and their ilk...to 2 and a half men... to any number of shows and movies that numb our sense of reality and righteous behavior..... Even sit-coms for kids like "The Wizards or Waverly Place" condition kids and parents that it is all just funny and entertainment...

Meanwhile, it is an ingenious plan to warp reality and Gods way.

Put a frog in boiling water and it will jump right out... Put it in a pot of cold water and slowly heat it to a boil and it will just stay there till it is soup..

That is what has been happening in the entertainment industry... To ignore it ... is the demise of society.


"numb our sense of reality" but you think magicians in the America's Got Talent are real, and you consider it an opinion. You have been shown how your views mirror the likes of Salem and the people who accused gypsies. you give so much power to satan all just by these beliefs alone.
 
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Facts are facts.

It is written:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who make his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord ….” (Deuteronomy 18:10).

This is a sin that is clearly condemned in the Bible. To fantasize about this sin is okay (even in the most loose way) means we can fantasize (in a loose way) about other sins are okay like fornication, drunkenness, murder, etc.

Children have already stated they want to cast spells, and work witchcraft as per their influence of Harry Potter. So your protest that there is no problem is only your own imagination.

Please read this article here:

A LETTER FROM AN EX-WITCH ABOUT HARRY POTTER

The emphasis on the story is that Harry Potter is learning how to become a master wizard. In the first movie, he goes to an occult school called Hogwarts, which will teach him how to become a wizard. Again, need I remind you that Deuteronomy 18:10 condemns witchcraft.

At first glance, it just looks to be harmless fantasy entertainment. However, here is the hook. After watching this kind of movie and reading these types of books – all emphasizing the possibility that supernatural power is real and that you can learn how to tap into it – some children, teenagers, and adults are going to really wonder – does this kind of supernatural power really exist and if so, can I learn how to do it?

Once the desire to find these answers is imparted into someone as a result of the suggestions planted by these books and movie – what do you think someone is going to do next? This person is going to start seeking after more information to see if witchcraft is real and if this kind of supernatural power can be obtained through their methods.

And where all they going to turn to?

The bookstores and the internet. And what are they going to find if they go to their local bookstore – tons of books on witchcraft, how to become a witch, how to form a coven, how to cast spells and make love potions, etc.

And once they start seeking and digging for this information – they are going to find out that there really are people who practice real witchcraft and that real, supernatural, demonic power can be obtained by actually performing some of their rituals and spells.

If you don't get it after this, I cannot help you.
We are going to have to agree to disagree, and move on.

Source used for some of the paragraphs in this post:
Harry Potter - Witchcraft And The Bible
 
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A Former Witch Speaks Out About Narnia.

The late David J. Meyer, who was a witch that left witchcraft for Jesus Christ, wrote about Narnia and about Aslan, revealing some facts most people wouldn't know. Meyer wrote:

"As a former witch, astrologer, and occultist who has been saved by the grace of God, I know that the works of C.S. Lewis are required reading by neophyte witches, especially in the United States and England. This includes The Chronicles of Narnia, because it teaches neophyte, or new witches, the basic mindset of the craft. Isn’t it strange, though, that many “Christian” churches and organizations have used The Chronicles of Narnia as Sunday School curriculum?" [3]

You just heard him say that C.S. Lewis' books, including the Narnia books, are required reading for beginner (neophyte) witches. That should be enough reason to stop reading Lewis' books and watching Narnia movies.

Interestingly, a Catholic website mentioned that pagans (or Wiccans) read Narnia and Lord of the Rings, and enjoy them:

"Many pagans say that their favorite book in childhood was J.R.R. Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings. .... Pagans also read the Chronicles of Narnia series by C.S. Lewis, ...." [4]

David J. Meyer speaks of the significance of the time of year that The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was released (Dec. 9, 2005). He writes:

"When I saw the release date of this new movie, I was not surprised. December 9th is the 13th day before the witches’ quarter-sabat of Yule. The full cold moon is midway between the release date and the sabat of Yule. The waxing moon is also directly on the equinox on the release date of the movie. This is far too precisely occultic to be coincidental, and the producers of the movie no doubt consulted upper-level witches regarding the perfect day to have the “Chronicles of Narnia” open." [3]

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End Times Blog: The Occult in Narnia, Part 3 - ASLAN and BACCHUS - Narnia's Occult Agenda
 
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Facts are facts.

It is written:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who make his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord ….” (Deuteronomy 18:10).

This is a sin that is clearly condemned in the Bible. To fantasize about this sin is okay (even in the most loose way) means we can fantasize (in a loose way) about other sins are okay like fornication, drunkenness, murder, etc.

Children have already stated they want to cast spells, and work witchcraft as per their influence of Harry Potter. So your protest that there is no problem is only your own imagination.

Please read this article here:

A LETTER FROM AN EX-WITCH ABOUT HARRY POTTER

The emphasis on the story is that Harry Potter is learning how to become a master wizard. In the first movie, he goes to an occult school called Hogwarts, which will teach him how to become a wizard. Again, need I remind you that Deuteronomy 18:10 condemns witchcraft.

At first glance, it just looks to be harmless fantasy entertainment. However, here is the hook. After watching this kind of movie and reading these types of books – all emphasizing the possibility that supernatural power is real and that you can learn how to tap into it – some children, teenagers, and adults are going to really wonder – does this kind of supernatural power really exist and if so, can I learn how to do it?

Once the desire to find these answers is imparted into someone as a result of the suggestions planted by these books and movie – what do you think someone is going to do next? This person is going to start seeking after more information to see if witchcraft is real and if this kind of supernatural power can be obtained through their methods.

And where all they going to turn to?

The bookstores and the internet. And what are they going to find if they go to their local bookstore – tons of books on witchcraft, how to become a witch, how to form a coven, how to cast spells and make love potions, etc.

And once they start seeking and digging for this information – they are going to find out that there really are people who practice real witchcraft and that real, supernatural, demonic power can be obtained by actually performing some of their rituals and spells.

If you don't get it after this, I cannot help you.
We are going to have to agree to disagree, and move on.

Source used for some of the paragraphs in this post:
Harry Potter - Witchcraft And The Bible

The "witch" who wrote your letter is a fringe pastor who claims he was a witch with occult powers from age 13 to 19. I guess if a person is superstitious and prone to belief in magic and demons Harry Potter might be a problem... but I would suggest they have other, deeper problems. .. like teenagers who adopt Goth... dressing in black and getting tattoos and piercings all over their bodies. Cults are nothing new... Look at the faith healers and snake handlers.. Jim Jones and David Koresh.
 
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Frankly it is kind of obvious that Narnia and Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft. Your unwillingness to see such a thing does not undo such a truth.
In I Samuel 28, there is a record of Saul, dusguising himself and engaging a witch, who performed a ritual and literally conjured the spirit of a dead Samuel.

Based upon what you've said, it sounds like to be consistent you should probably promote the removal of this story from Scripture.

I wonder what you would do if they made a movie about this encounter. Would you watch it?

I've seen nothing in the Narnia series that would suggest a promotion of engaging in witchcraft. Can you point out something specific that happens where you think CS Lewis was attempting to promote readers to engage in witchcraft? You keep saying it's obvious, so I would think this ought to be easy for you to actually do.

And again, what about Veggie Tales? They're pure fantasy - is it wrong for my children to watch Veggie Tales?
 
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Facts are facts.

It is written:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who make his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord ….” (Deuteronomy 18:10).

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And facts are not on your side. You have been deceived by the enemy, applying the same form of reasoning with your bible citations that christians in the dark ages have. Your errors are evident just by history. Your biblical references are not supportive of your case. You just interpret them to be because satan has closed your mind and deluded your beliefs through the utilization of scripture.

You've demonstrated an unrecognized faith in satan just by the beliefs you've applied towards him and in return it has made you more of an anti-intellectual example of christianity and the Bible.

CS Lewis is a christian apologist, his novels such as Narnia are fictional stories that carry an actual christian message. Those quotes you've posted are not fact, they are of the same reliability as citing a Bible thumping judge back in the Salem Witch Trials.
 
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The "witch" who wrote your letter is a fringe pastor who claims he was a witch with occult powers from age 13 to 19. I guess if a person is superstitious and prone to belief in magic and demons Harry Potter might be a problem... but I would suggest they have other, deeper problems. .. like teenagers who adopt Goth... dressing in black and getting tattoos and piercings all over their bodies. Cults are nothing new... Look at the faith healers and snake handlers.. Jim Jones and David Koresh.

Not buying it. That is a sad excuse. Trying to discredit a person on what is clear to see what is really going on here. Kids have already stated that they want to practice witchcraft on the account of watching Harry Potter. This is not from just one source but from multiple sources. It should be no surprise. A person watches porn, they are going to lust after women and get hooked on porn. A person fantasizes about witchcraft and no surprise, they will end up practicing witchcraft. But go ahead and keep trying to act like this is not true. Those who know the truth know better.
 
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In I Samuel 28, there is a record of Saul, dusguising himself and engaging a witch, who performed a ritual and literally conjured the spirit of a dead Samuel.

Based upon what you've said, it sounds like to be consistent you should probably promote the removal of this story from Scripture.

I wonder what you would do if they made a movie about this encounter. Would you watch it?

I've seen nothing in the Narnia series that would suggest a promotion of engaging in witchcraft. Can you point out something specific that happens where you think CS Lewis was attempting to promote readers to engage in witchcraft? You keep saying it's obvious, so I would think this ought to be easy for you to actually do.

And again, what about Veggie Tales? They're pure fantasy - is it wrong for my children to watch Veggie Tales?

Faith shouldn't choke off science and education or curiosity.
 
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"numb our sense of reality" but you think magicians in the America's Got Talent are real, and you consider it an opinion. You have been shown how your views mirror the likes of Salem and the people who accused gypsies. you give so much power to satan all just by these beliefs alone.
Sorry Cis.... I totally disagree and find that you and I will not convince each other to alter our opinions..
So, it's ridiculous to continue this banter.

Satan is a wolf in sheep's clothing and will continue to use the bible to do his deception whenever he can use naive people to follow his way. It is also foolish to downplay the dangers of any entertainment presented to the youth of this world, that is glorifying things that God despises.

God Bless..
 
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And facts are not on your side. You have been deceived by the enemy, applying the same form of reasoning with your bible citations that christians in the dark ages have. Your errors are evident just by history. Your biblical references are not supportive of your case. You just interpret them to be because satan has closed your mind and deluded your beliefs through the utilization of scripture.

You've demonstrated an unrecognized faith in satan just by the beliefs you've applied towards him and in return it has made you more of an anti-intellectual example of christianity and the Bible.

CS Lewis is a christian apologist, his novels such as Narnia are fictional stories that carry an actual christian message. Those quotes you've posted are not fact, they are of the same reliability as citing a Bible thumping judge back in the Salem Witch Trials.

So you do not think that one child has not been influenced to dabble in witchcraft on the account of Harry Potter? Sorry. I do not believe you. Why? Because when I played Dungeons and Dragons back in the 80's, I was influenced to want to cast a spell from my D&D material that I had. If such material did not exist, I would not have desired to want to do such a thing. The fun I had in the game made me think that such things would be harmless. Granted, I am thankful to GOD that I never kept at looking into the occult, but other kids are not so fortunate.
 
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In I Samuel 28, there is a record of Saul, dusguising himself and engaging a witch, who performed a ritual and literally conjured the spirit of a dead Samuel.

Based upon what you've said, it sounds like to be consistent you should probably promote the removal of this story from Scripture.

I wonder what you would do if they made a movie about this encounter. Would you watch it?

I've seen nothing in the Narnia series that would suggest a promotion of engaging in witchcraft. Can you point out something specific that happens where you think CS Lewis was attempting to promote readers to engage in witchcraft? You keep saying it's obvious, so I would think this ought to be easy for you to actually do.

And again, what about Veggie Tales? They're pure fantasy - is it wrong for my children to watch Veggie Tales?

1 Chronicles 10:13.

It demolishes the idea that Saul was talking to the real Samuel.

#1. One of the reasons GOD condemned Saul to die is for the fact that he inquired of a familiar spirit and the witch. Why would GOD intervene in a situation that He condemned? It makes no sense.

#2. Scripture says Saul inquired of "IT" as in reference to the familiar spirit because the witch was a female and not an "IT."

Here is the text that proves that Saul inquired of IT, the familiar spirit AND he took counsel of one (the witch) who had a familiar spirit.

"So Saul died... also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;" (1 Chronicles 10:13).

Two things happened in this verse.

Saul died also because:

(a) He asked counsel of one who had a familiar spirit.
Who was the one who had a familiar spirit? The witch.

(b) He inquired of "IT."
What is the "it" in this verse? It is the familiar spirit. The "it" cannot be the witch because she is a female and not an "it." Saul inquired of "it" the familiar spirit. Familiar spirits are demons.​

1 Chronicles 10:13 reveals the true nature of what took place.


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Also, why would God condemn Saul of consulting a familiar spirit if GOD approved of such a thing by His intervention? It makes no sense.
 
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In I Samuel 28, there is a record of Saul, dusguising himself and engaging a witch, who performed a ritual and literally conjured the spirit of a dead Samuel.

Based upon what you've said, it sounds like to be consistent you should probably promote the removal of this story from Scripture.

I wonder what you would do if they made a movie about this encounter. Would you watch it?

I've seen nothing in the Narnia series that would suggest a promotion of engaging in witchcraft. Can you point out something specific that happens where you think CS Lewis was attempting to promote readers to engage in witchcraft? You keep saying it's obvious, so I would think this ought to be easy for you to actually do.

And again, what about Veggie Tales? They're pure fantasy - is it wrong for my children to watch Veggie Tales?

Just because the Bible says it was Samuel does not mean it was the real Samuel. I provided an explanation to this (from an article) so as to explain this. Anyways, here are...

7 Reasons why it was not the Real Samuel:

#1. The medium or witch is a polytheist.

The medium tells Saul, “I see ’elohim (‘gods’, KJV) coming up from the earth” (28:13). The term ’elohim can be translated as a singular (God or god) or plural (gods), usually depending on context,21 but here the medium uses it with a plural verb: “they are coming up.” This is consistent with polytheism: the Philistines use ’elohim with plural grammar (4:8), and it is used in describing the worship of gods other than Yahweh (8:8; 26:19).22 Saul’s reply ignores her plural, and uses the singular: “What does he look like?” (28:14). Saul is a monotheist. The medium then perhaps changes her story to suit her audience, or perhaps focuses on just one of the apparitions she sees arising,23 and says, “An old man is coming up” (28:14).

#2. The rebuke by the apparent Samuel complains about “bringing me up”

One smaller detail also questions the identity of the apparent Samuel. The opening line of his rebuke is “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” Considering the scale of the issues at stake for Israel and its king, this would be a rather petty and self-focussed comment for the real Samuel.43 And it would be strange indeed if it came from a prophet who was very willing to be awakened, and to disturb Eli repeatedly, in order to hear a word from Yahweh (1 Sam 3). If, as a number of commentators argue,44 God seized the initiative to turn an occultic consultation into an opportunity for true prophecy, why would Samuel begin by complaining about being there at all? Would he not willingly go on a mission for God?

#3. Bringing up was credited to the Medium and Saul and not by an intervention by GOD.

Why would the real Samuel credit the woman or Saul with bringing him up? The phrase “come/bring up” is noticeably repeated in the conjuration scene. Saul has asked the woman to bring someone up (28:8, Hiphil of hl[), and she has asked him whom to bring up (28:11, Hiphil of hl[) and been told to bring up Samuel (28:11, Hiphil of hl[), then described the divinized dead and then an old man coming up (28:13, 14, Qal of hl[) and after all that repetition of the phrase, the apparent Samuel than complains about being brought up. As Pigott points out, “according to Samuel’s words in v.15, he was disturbed from his sleep by the conjuring.”45 If this was the real Samuel sent by God, why would he suggest the medium had brought him up?

#5. The rebuke ignores the most obvious issue.

The rebuke by the apparent Samuel does not blame Saul for his most obvious sin of all—the divination itself. One grumpy, self-centred complaint about having his own sleep disturbed is hardly equivalent to a rebuke for the damning sin of divination. Miscall observes: “Samuel says nothing of Saul’s sin of divination and consulting a medium.”47 Pigott also comments: “In every passage where necromancy is mentioned, the Hebrew Bible clearly decries the practice and/or condemns the practitioner—every passage, that is, except one. One of the most striking aspects of the account is the complete absence of the expected negative word about the witch.”48 By contrast, Chronicles reveals that the divination was a key reason for Saul’s death: “Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit [an ‘ob], to inquire of it; and inquired not of the Lord: therefore He slew him.” (1 Chron 10:13, 14, KJV).

#6. The apparent Samuel’s predictions are questionable and not accurate.

Many commentators accept that the predictions of the apparent Samuel come true, but careful examination reveals nagging questions about the accuracy of some details. Of course the prediction generally comes true: Israel suffers military defeat. Yet this was not difficult to predict, and Saul already feared it (1 Sam 28:5). However some details do not ft. The prediction is, “Yahweh will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.” Yet Saul is not handed to the Philistines—he kills himself before they can get him. The Philistines do take his body, but this does not happen “tomorrow” as they do not come to strip the bodies until the day after (31:8), and the men of Jabesh Gilead soon recover his body immediately and put it permanently beyond Philistine reach (1 Sam 31:12-13; cf 2 Sam 21:12-14). And perhaps most obvious, Saul’s sons do not all die on the same day. It appears that they have, as three sons die in battle (1 Sam 31:2) and the narrator has so far listed only three sons for Saul (Jonathan, Ishvi, Malki-Shua, 1 Sam 14:49) compared with four listed by the Chronicler (Jehonathan, Malki-Shua, Abinadab and Esh-Baal, 1 Chron 8:33).51 Yet a few chapters after the apparent Samuel’s prediction, “Ish-Bosheth son of Saul” appears, with the title “son of Saul” repeatedly linked to his name even when it is not necessary as he has already been introduced (2 Sam 2:8-10, 12, 15; 4:8).

#7. Saul was killed because He consulted a medium that had a familiar spirit and to inquire of IT. Why would GOD participate in a situation that He condemns?

The Bible says,

"So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;" (1 Chronicles 10:13).

This verse alone should be sufficient to destroy any non-sense that GOD intervened. For one of the reasons Saul is said to die is because he consulted a FAMILIAR SPIRIT. The witch was not the familiar (fami-LIAR) spirit. It was the demon that she conjured up to talk with Saul. It says that Saul inquired of it. IT. IT. The witch is not an "it" because she was a female. The "IT" is the familiar spirit. In other words, this text says it was not GOD, and it was because Saul contacted a FAMILIAR SPIRIT that was the cause of his death (in addition to the other wrong things he did).​


Side Note:

Does the narrator say Samuel appeared?

A number of commentators reason that the real Samuel must have appeared because the narrator tells us that Saul “knew” (NIV) or “perceived” (KJV) “that it was Samuel” (1 Sam 28:14), and then that “Samuel said to Saul” and “Samuel said” (28:15, 16). I submit that this is an example of focalization, the technique in which the narrator temporarily adopts the point of view of a character. It is well accepted among literary scholars that an otherwise omniscient narrator can put aside that privilege for a time to adopt “the perspective of one of the characters, and see ‘through his or her eyes.’”66 Alter shows that hinneh “(the familiar ‘behold’ of the King James Version) is often used to mark a shift in narrative point of view from third-person omniscience to the character’s direct perception.”

A writer can show a character’s views and perceptions either in that character’s own words (direct speech) or in a focalized narration (free indirect speech), but the effect is very similar. Even if the character’s views and perceptions are wrong, the dependable, reliable biblical narrator has the flexibility to use focalization when it suits a purpose, such as letting the reader enter a character’s “mind and . . . secret motives or ‘participate in the experience with the protagonist.’”70 These shifts in point of view can be marked by the use of hinneh (“behold”),71 but also “verbs of perception (‘to see,’ ‘to hear,’ ‘to know’) can be important indicators of specific focalizations,” though “the context is decisive.”72

This focalization technique is apparent elsewhere in 1 Samuel. For example, in 4:5-11 the Philistines hear a shout and know (verbs of perception) that a god has come into the camp, but in fact this is merely their perspective: it is not a god but the ark of Yahweh. In this case the narrator renders their perception by quoting their direct speech in contradiction of what he has told us really happened, but elsewhere the narrator also uses focalized narrations (free indirect speech) to reflect a character’s perception. For example, in 1 Samuel 5 the narrator describes the idol of the Philistine god Dagon as if it were a person. The description adopts the perspective of the Philistines. The narrator tells us that they enter the temple and then the narration cuts (or focalizes) to their point of view: “and hinneh (behold, KJV), Dagon was fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of Yahweh! And Dagon’s head and both the palms of his hands were broken off on the threshold. Only Dagon was left to him” (1 Sam 5:473). Here a stone idol is described as if it were a living ’elohim by a writer who does not actually think it is, but wants to imitate the Philistine point of view. The effect is to let the reader experience the consternation of the Philistines, in a way that mocks their god from within their religious paradigm.


Source used:
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3311&context=auss
 
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1 Chronicles 10:13.

It demolishes the idea that Saul was talking to the real Samuel.

#1. One of the reasons GOD condemned Saul to die is for the fact that he inquired of a familiar spirit and the witch. Why would GOD intervene in a situation that He condemned? It makes no sense.

#2. Scripture says Saul inquired of "IT" as in reference to the familiar spirit because the witch was a female and not an "IT."

Here is the text that proves that Saul inquired of IT, the familiar spirit AND he took counsel of one (the witch) who had a familiar spirit.

"So Saul died... also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;" (1 Chronicles 10:13).

Two things happened in this verse.

Saul died also because:

(a) He asked counsel of one who had a familiar spirit.
Who was the one who had a familiar spirit? The witch.

(b) He inquired of "IT."
What is the "it" in this verse? It is the familiar spirit. The "it" cannot be the witch because she is a female and not an "it." Saul inquired of "it" the familiar spirit. Familiar spirits are demons.​

1 Chronicles 10:13 reveals the true nature of what took place.


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Also, why would God condemn Saul of consulting a familiar spirit if GOD approved of such a thing by His intervention? It makes no sense.
I get that you're very good at finding online resources that agree with what you believe, congratulations.

I do have a question though, but this may require some actual work on your part instead of a google search to find someone that agrees with you.

I Chronicles 10:13, 14 - So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the Lord, because of the word of the Lord which he did not keep; and also because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it, and did not inquire of the Lord. Therefore He killed him and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse. (NASB).

I wonder what you would do if you went with the ESV instead:

So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the LORD in that he did not keep the command of the LORD, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance. He did not seek guidance from the LORD. Therefore the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse.

I'm sure your gut reaction is to disregard the ESV translation as wrong because it doesn't include the key phrase that is paramount to your interpretation, "of it".

But then, I wonder what you would think if it was revealed to you that the "of it" isn't actually in the original language and was simply added by English translators...

Can you show me the Hebrew "of it" in the text?

But anyway, your entire response missed the entire point that I was making in the first place. But you seem to do that a lot in your responses to people so I'm not particularly surprised.

Can you address Veggie Tales for me? Is it wrong for my children to watch Veggie Tales? You seem to consistently be trying to make a link from fantasy and imagination to sin, suggesting that fantasy and imagination are inherently immoral. Can you clarify your position on that?

Is it possible to use fantasy in a way that glorifies God? Or should we all try to kill our imagination and never play make believe?
 
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I get that you're very good at finding online resources that agree with what you believe, congratulations.

I do have a question though, but this may require some actual work on your part instead of a google search to find someone that agrees with you.

I Chronicles 10:13, 14 - So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the Lord, because of the word of the Lord which he did not keep; and also because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it, and did not inquire of the Lord. Therefore He killed him and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse. (NASB).

I wonder what you would do if you went with the ESV instead:

So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the LORD in that he did not keep the command of the LORD, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance. He did not seek guidance from the LORD. Therefore the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse.

I'm sure your gut reaction is to disregard the ESV translation as wrong because it doesn't include the key phrase that is paramount to your interpretation, "of it".

But then, I wonder what you would think if it was revealed to you that the "of it" isn't actually in the original language and was simply added by English translators...

Can you show me the Hebrew "of it" in the text?

But anyway, your entire response missed the entire point that I was making in the first place. But you seem to do that a lot in your responses to people so I'm not particularly surprised.

Can you address Veggie Tales for me? Is it wrong for my children to watch Veggie Tales? You seem to consistently be trying to make a link from fantasy and imagination to sin, suggesting that fantasy and imagination are inherently immoral. Can you clarify your position on that?

Is it possible to use fantasy in a way that glorifies God? Or should we all try to kill our imagination and never play make believe?

No offense, but I find the ESV to be one of the most corrupt and New Age bible translations of our day. While all Modern Translations have been corrupted, it has to be one of my least favorite translations because of its distortion of Scriptural truth.

The English Standard Version Exposed
(Note: Please keep in mind that I am aware that some verses do appear it another gospel, etc.; But this is not always the case).

Most folks do not realize that most of all the New Testament portion of their Modern Translations are based upon Westcott and Hort's Greek text. These men were occultists. So no surprise that some folks today would not have a problem with watching occult like things on TV if they place their faith in a translation that is not the pure Word of God (that was based upon the works of these two men who were occultists) (Note: This does not mean a person cannot be saved or that certain truths cannot be preached from Modern Translations; The point here is that Modern Translations have been corrupted and that does in some way effect people's thinking as having a final word of authority in God's Word. I believe Modern Translations can effect our faith and our walk with God and in some cases it can destroy our faith. But that is another topic for another thread).
 
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The "witch" who wrote your letter is a fringe pastor who claims he was a witch with occult powers from age 13 to 19.
Wonder if he burned his Beatle records during the hype in his evil era. If not he must have deeply been immersed in the occult.
 
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Wonder if he burned his Beatle records during the hype in his evil era. If not he must have deeply been immersed in the occult.

Its just attention seeking behavior.. Nobody with an IQ above room temperature believe in witches, superstitions or the occult.
 
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Its just attention seeking behavior.. Nobody with an IQ above room temperature believe in witches, superstitions or the occult.

What?!
Please tell me you are not saying the occult and witches today do not exist. If so, that has got to be one of the most craziest things I have ever heard in my life. We are not living in the 1980’s anymore where truth can be bottled up in a localized area anymore. Just Google it.
 
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Wonder if he burned his Beatle records during the hype in his evil era. If not he must have deeply been immersed in the occult.

So you are mocking the idea that he was getting rid of the things of this world?
Please try reading 1 John 2:15-17 sometime.
 
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