Harry Potter should not be watched by Christians.

[LightLoveHope]

Fearsome superstitions kill imagination.

You are right, Jesus changes everything.
It is when we know we walk in the truth and are safe in His hands do things begin to make sense. Once you know His peace and reality everything else gets to be put in perspective.

 

[JacksBratt]

The letter from the witch warning about Harry Potter.

In Loving Memory of Pastor David J. Meyer - A Special Tribute
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Pastor David Meyer's perspective was unique. God had saved him from out of the world of the occult in 1969. He was young then, only 19 years old when God called him, but as a teenager David had already gathered a following with his astrological keenness.

So, are you stating that it was fiction?

 

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If your neighbors were practicing witchcraft and sacrificing chickens to Satan, but were then selling the leftover yummy meaty pieces, would you buy them? Let’s assume they were the tastiest chickens ever. Why or why not?

What you said makes no sense.

 

[JacksBratt]

Putting the will of God ahead of our own and loving all as self??

Yep, I checked.. that question was not directed at you.. but, thanks for your answer.

 

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Not like what is portrayed in the movies. Although the owl wintering in my trees gives me pause.

Doesn’t matter if it is not exactly precise in every way (like the flying on broom sticks thingy), but the point is they cast spells and chant and use real occult things. Just enough fantasy to dupe people.

 

[JacksBratt]

Or there is no real magic or any form of supernatural power, it's just superstition.

Well, someone destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Produced the flames that came from heaven when Elijah called it down, produced the food for the 5000, stopped the sun and moon in the sky, and the list goes on and on...

Not magic. Just the super natural power of God.

Christ also stated that in the end people will do miracles in His name... but they are not of Him.

But... carry on.

But the point of my entire argument is that satan utilizes christian beliefs in order to defame Christianity. Using Christians to give it an immoral and unintelligent reputation that is more likely to detract non-christians and even reasonable christians from the faith.
He can even make a christian so closed in the Bible that the christian blocks out all knowledge and fact checking and ends up building and voice POV's that are not just absurd but factually wrong.

Yes.... ?

But you can't just auto-antagonize someone as serving the devil, the reality is you are not researching or investigating these things because you don't even know what is real and what isn't. You are repeating and showing the same "in the dark" views that the people from Salem.

You can if what they are doing is contrary.. directly contrary to the word of God.

Just look at the gypsies in the dark ages or in WW2. They where just performers doing magic tricks to gain ends meat to feed their families, yet christians thought they where actually doing real magic. These gypsies and their families where seen as servants of satan and they where hated and killed for it. After looking back, who was really serving satan, was it the gypsies or the bible thumping christians? The reality is, your views and knowledge is nothing different than those christians..

Doing magic tricks as a form of entertainment can even be done by Christians... If they are calling themselves illusionists and calling it a "magic act"..

Today, however, we have satanic magicians who are so obvious that one even says that he has a spirit helper while he mentions nothing of God..

None of that is real.

Really?



Why would i need to show that?[/QUOTE]

 

[Cis.jd]

Well, someone destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Produced the flames that came from heaven when Elijah called it down, produced the food for the 5000, stopped the sun and moon in the sky, and the list goes on and on...

Not magic. Just the super natural power of God.

You said there can't be a 3rd party, either the power God or satan.. the 3rd possibility is that the magic being shown isn't real for example: magicians, performers, scammers, and fictional fantasy none of these is of any supernatural origin, it's just art. Why are you citing bible stories about God doing power?

Christ also stated that in the end people will do miracles in His name... but they are not of Him.

sure but this actually answers your point before, on how even the things that are said to be of God are not of him. This is what satan does, he Christianity look ridiculous through christians themselves.
These christians believe the miracles are of God, because satan has made them so glued to the scriptures by convincing them that getting educated of facts and looking things with rationalism is "following worldly views".

You can if what they are doing is contrary.. directly contrary to the word of God.

This is what all the Salem people and all the anti-gypsies thought and looked what it resulted to.. innocent people getting killed and christianity gains a negative image. It turns out all the "witchcraft" pointers where the ones serving satan, didn't it.

[qipte]Doing magic tricks as a form of entertainment can even be done by Christians... If they are calling themselves illusionists and calling it a "magic act"..
Today, however, we have satanic magicians who are so obvious that one even says that he has a spirit helper while he mentions nothing of God..[/quote]

Do you still believe the magicians you referenced in AGT have demon powers? Those magicians are performers, "spirit helpers" and whatever is all kayfabe.

Really?

Yes, "pointing wands and making things happen to inanimate objects" is not real, we don't even need to talk about this.

 

[SPF]

What you said makes no sense.

Actually, it made perfect sense.

If you would familiarize yourself with Scripture, you could place the analogy. I’ll give you a hint, Paul deals with it in Corinthians, we he talks about there being absolutely no problem with the Corinthian Believers purchasing the left over meat from animals sacrificed by pagans.

In other words, as Christians we understand where power comes from and who is in charge of the universe.

There is nothing inherently wrong with fantasy and make believe. God created us with an imagination, it’s not wrong to use it.

People like CS Lewis used it to great success. There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with reading, enjoying, and seeing Christ through Narnia.

 

[JacksBratt]

You said there can't be a 3rd party, either the power God or satan.. the 3rd possibility is that the magic being shown isn't real for example: magicians, performers, scammers, and fictional fantasy. Why are you citing bible stories about God doing power?

There is Gods power... the power of Satan and then trickery..

Satan's power was evident when he took Christ to the top of the building and showed Him the world... told Him it could all be His if He bowed down to Satan.

sure, just like that pastor who faked a resurrection miracle by praying over a "dead person" and rising him up in the name of Jesus. Yeah.. this actually answers your point before, on how even the things that are said to be of God are not of him. This is what satan does, he doesn't grant magic powers he makes Christianity look stupid by using christians to make it look stupid.

What are you talking about?

This is what all the Salem people thought, and looked what it resulted to.. innocent people getting killed and christianity gains a negative image. satan has fooled you, because he has made you believe in the Bible while shutting out all reason hence continuing this "dark-age" negative image.

Still.. people doing bad things in the name of God... is still bad things...
People waving wands, chanting spells and getting results... is not of God....

Like the ones you where talking about in America's Got talent, despite all the videos showing how they do their tricks. Come on Jack, you are too old to believe in this. You are supposed to show the Holy Spirit - the God of wisdom, yet instead of showing wisdom you show that can't even tell what is real and what is not.

Not all of them are tricksters... Some even admit to it...

I'm old enough to know that some are satanic and done with demonic help.

Yes, "pointing wands and making things happen to inanimate objects" is not real, we don't even need to talk about this.

It is presented as real and it brings attention to the real thing... It gets impressionable youth interested in it and they like the attraction of it.. AND.. it is hated by God.. It is not of God.
If it is not of God.. it is of the devil.

 

[summerville]

Well, someone destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Produced the flames that came from heaven when Elijah called it down, produced the food for the 5000, stopped the sun and moon in the sky, and the list goes on and on...

Not magic. Just the super natural power of God.

Christ also stated that in the end people will do miracles in His name... but they are not of Him.

But... carry on.




Yes.... ?




You can if what they are doing is contrary.. directly contrary to the word of God.



Doing magic tricks as a form of entertainment can even be done by Christians... If they are calling themselves illusionists and calling it a "magic act"..

Today, however, we have satanic magicians who are so obvious that one even says that he has a spirit helper while he mentions nothing of God..




Really?



Why would i need to show that?

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There's no evidence for the cities of the plain.. If they ever existed, they were destroyed long before Abraham.. Have you ever been there? Its a hellish, ugly place a thousand feet below sea level.

 

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Actually, it made perfect sense.

If you would familiarize yourself with Scripture, you could place the analogy. I’ll give you a hint, Paul deals with it in Corinthians, we he talks about there being absolutely no problem with the Corinthian Believers purchasing the left over meat from animals sacrificed by pagans.

In other words, as Christians we understand where power comes from and who is in charge of the universe.

There is nothing inherently wrong with fantasy and make believe. God created us with an imagination, it’s not wrong to use it.

People like CS Lewis used it to great success. There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with reading, enjoying, and seeing Christ through Narnia.

Paul referring to meats sacrificed to idols is in reference to meat and not fiction or fantasy. We need food to live. We do not need fantasy to live. Jesus condemns the mind sin of adultery. Lusting after a woman is fantasy and it is related to the physical act of adultery. This mind sin (fantasy) is condemned with being cast bodily into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30). No doubt God will see it the same way if people fantasize about sorcery of which He condemns with warnings of hell fire or condemnation (Revelation 21:8) (Revelation 22:14-15).

 

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God killed sorcerers in the Old Testament. Why on Earth do people think it is okay to fantasize about something sinful God condemns?

 

[Cis.jd]

There is Gods power... the power of Satan and then trickery..
Satan's power was evident when he took Christ to the top of the building and showed Him the world... told Him it could all be His if He bowed down to Satan.

But this is still outside of the points, other than God or satan there is also a 3rd possibility that there is no real power, it's all a performance (at best) or a scam.

What are you talking about?

that there are certain displays of "powers" that are not real. They are not from God or from satan, the person is either an artist (magician) or a liar (the pastor).

This is not real. There is no real power from God or satan, he is just a completely liar.

Still.. people doing bad things in the name of God... is still bad things...

Right, so lets continue on with that point: what did the Christians of that time believed about the people they where accusing?

Not all of them are tricksters... Some even admit to it...

I'm old enough to know that some are satanic and done with demonic help.

I remember that argument in where you where using a magician in America's Got Talent as an example. You where even given videos and explained by others that these magicians are just keeping in character. It's like Kayfabe. It's not real, jack.

 

[SPF]

Lusting after a woman is fantasy and it is related to the physical act of adultery

Lusting after a woman in the mind is lust, and it’s coveting. It’s only fantasy in the sense that it’s not real.

Purple elephants aren’t real, but I don’t think my niece is sinning when she draws a purple elephant, do you?

Vegetables don’t talk, but the Veggie Tales do. Is it a sin to watch Veggie Tales?

Our imagination is not evil, yet you seem to think it is.

I don’t think you’ve made any sort of logical or sound Biblical argument against enjoying The Chronicles of Narnia.

I get that you may have a personal weakness towards witchcraft, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

 

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Lusting after a woman in the mind is lust, and it’s coveting. It’s only fantasy in the sense that it’s not real.

The desire of lusting after another is fantasy. People create lustful thoughts of another and it involves a realm of fantasy. So no. It is not in how you describe it. In the real world, people who lust after others includes an element fantasy as a part of their lusting after them. Again, fantasizing about how witchcraft is not a sin does not undo such a reality of such a sin (no matter what you say). Witchcraft will always be condemned in all its forms by God.

Purple elephants aren’t real, but I don’t think my niece is sinning when she draws a purple elephant, do you?
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Vegetables don’t talk, but the Veggie Tales do. Is it a sin to watch Veggie Tales?

Our imagination is not evil, yet you seem to think it is.

You imagine something that I do not believe. I believe you cannot change what sin is by our imaginations. Sin will always be real.

I don’t think you’ve made any sort of logical or sound Biblical argument against enjoying The Chronicles of Narnia.

I have been busy with other things today. Frankly it is kind of obvious that Narnia and Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft. Your unwillingness to see such a thing does not undo such a truth.

I get that you may have a personal weakness towards witchcraft, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

Again, you are imagining things. I simply hate every false way. It’s pure evil. Witchcraft is evil. Fantasizing about witchcraft is evil. We are to think about that which is good and godly and not that which is evil. It’s the law of sowing and reaping. You put junk in, and junk is gonna come back out.

Don’t believe me?
If a person fantasized about witchcraft 24/7 for a whole year, what do you think is going to happen? Nothing?

 

[Cis.jd]

The desire of lusting after another is fantasy. People create lustful thoughts of another and it involves a realm of fantasy. So no. It is not in how you describe it. In the real world, people who lust after others includes an element fantasy as a part of their lusting after them. Again, fantasizing about how witchcraft is not a sin does not undo such a reality of such a sin (no matter what you say). Witchcraft will always be condemned in all its forms by God.

You imagine something that I do not believe. I believe you cannot change what sin is by our imaginations. Sin will always be real.

I have been busy with other things today. Frankly it is kind of obvious that Narnia and Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft. Your unwillingness to see such a thing does not undo such a truth.

Again, you are imagining things. I simply hate every false way. It’s pure evil. Witchcraft is evil. Fantasizing about witchcraft is evil. We are to think about that which is good and godly and not that which is evil. It’s the law of sowing and reaping. You put junk in, and junk is gonna come back out.

Don’t believe me?
If a person fantasized about witchcraft 24/7 for a whole year, what do you think is going to happen? Nothing?

fantasy in terms of art is not wrong. It's called a plot device, and everything being shown isn't real and has no intent behind it other than to entertain. Just by everything you said here, you may as well consider imagination such as coloring books of superman or fictional animals in general to be evil.

It's post like yours that are the ones that take people away from the faith more than any fantasy novel. You are giving an image of christianity to be a religion of the most unintelligent people who think movies that have magic in it is real.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Please see this article here on Narnia and the witchcraft and the occult that is promoted within it.

The Witchcraft of The Chronicles of Narnia

 

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fantasy in terms of art is not wrong. It's called a plot device, and everything being shown isn't real and has no intent behind it other than to entertain. Your arguments are seriously bad, and it's nothing more than a reference for a non-christian to cite in whatever proof he is going to show in terms of how absurd christians are that they have 0 common sense to understand that fiction-fantasy is just entertainment with no affiliation or intention to what they fear.

Mind sins (that can include fantasy) are real and are condemned by God (Matthew 5:28-30).

One cannot undo the reality of sin by their imagination. Sin invites evil.

 

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fantasy in terms of art is not wrong. It's called a plot device, and everything being shown isn't real and has no intent behind it other than to entertain. Your arguments are seriously bad, and it's nothing more than a reference for a non-christian to cite in whatever proof he is going to show in terms of how absurd christians are that they have 0 common sense to understand that fiction-fantasy is just entertainment with no affiliation or intention to what they fear.

If it is just 100% fantasy then why all the real similarities to the real occult and witchcraft world? If it is just fantasy, do you really believe that no harm would be caused in thinking of it 24/7 for 6 months?

 

[Cis.jd]

Mind sins (that can include fantasy) are real and are condemned by God (Matthew 5:28-30).

One cannot undo the reality of sin by their imagination. Sin invites evil.

Not all fantasy is sin. Fictional fantasy, even with magic and monsters, is just art, there is no evil in it's intention. Just stop, you are just embarrassing christians.