Harris gets some blowback for comparing Jan 6th to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor

Albion · Jan 10, 2022

Michael Collum said:
I posted a variety of sources, but there appears to be consensus that the rioters were armed with deadly weapons.

I don't know what I'm supposed to get from the use of the word "consensus." It probably means somebody made the claim but that's all.

In that long Reuters article, in which many people were named or identified, only TWO weapons were said to have been taken by anyone into the Capitol.

One was a stick (that's really good preparation if you're planning on being part of the most threatening "insurrection'' in our nation's history, can't we all agree? LOL) and the other was a pistol that was holstered.

Albion · Jan 10, 2022

keith99 said:
Yes what do her actual words matter to Trumpers.

which raises the question...what are we supposed to call the people who worship Joe Biden?

Taodeching · Jan 10, 2022

Albion said:
which raises the question...what are we supposed to call the people who worship Joe Biden?

Bidenites

Albion · Jan 10, 2022

Okay. Thanks.

Pommer · Jan 10, 2022

Albion said:
which raises the question...what are we supposed to call the people who worship Joe Biden?

Who might that be?

Authoritarian-followers tend to assume that “the other side” is a mirror unto themselves but are just rooting for the “other team”.
They therefore assume that Biden voters worship the (current) President because, of course, the former President was such a mench and totally adored by said authoritarian-followers.
But this ain’t the case.

Albion · Jan 10, 2022

Pommer said:
Authoritarian-followers tend to assume that “the other side” is a mirror unto themselves but are just rooting for the “other team”.
They therefore assume that Biden voters worship the (current) President because, of course, the former President was such a mench and totally adored by said authoritarian-followers.
But this ain’t the case.

Interesting theorizing.

Totally incorrect, but it might be true of someone else in a different time and place.

Taodeching · Jan 10, 2022

Taodeching said:
Bidenites

Kinda like deadites from Evil Dead

Pommer · Jan 10, 2022

Albion said:
Interesting theorizing.

Totally incorrect, but it might be true of someone else in a different time and place.

Ask a typical Biden voter why they voted for Biden and the answer usually won’t be “because he’s the epitome of everything that I hold dear”, (more than likely it’ll be some variation of Biden not being Trump).

Albion · Jan 10, 2022

Pommer said:
Ask a typical Biden voter why they voted for Biden and the answer usually won’t be “because he’s the epitome of everything that I hold dear”, (more than likely it’ll be some variation of Biden not being Trump).

I agree. But we'd expect any Biden voter, if asked about it, to try to put a good face on their decision to support him. That's a "given."

Pommer · Jan 10, 2022

Albion said:
I agree. But we'd expect any Biden voter, if asked about it, to try to put a good face on their decision to support him. That's a "given."

You may be disappointed expecting such.
I’m just happy that Trump is in Mar-A-Lago for the time being.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 10, 2022

Albion said:
I don't know what I'm supposed to get from the use of the word "consensus." It probably means somebody made the claim but that's all.

In that long Reuters article, in which many people were named or identified, only TWO weapons were said to have been taken by anyone into the Capitol.

One was a stick (that's really good preparation if you're planning on being part of the most threatening "insurrection'' in our nation's history, can't we all agree? LOL) and the other was a pistol that was holstered.

I can only imagine how you read the gospels. ...

Albion · Jan 10, 2022

Michael Collum said:
I posted a variety of sources, but there appears to be consensus that the rioters were armed with deadly weapons.

Michael Collum said:
I can only imagine how you read the gospels. ...

I can tell you this much about it. I never decide whether God's word is true or not on the basis of some "consensus" among the readers.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 10, 2022

Albion said:
I can tell you this much about it. I never decide whether God's word is true or not on the basis of some "consensus" among the readers.

But you're part of a particular tradition, right?

rjs330 · Jan 10, 2022

Michael Collum said:
I posted a variety of sources, but there appears to be consensus that the rioters were armed with deadly weapons.
Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used
Fact checking claims January 6 was not an armed insurrection - CNNPolitics
Fact check: FBI says bureau didn't recover guns at Capitol riot
Handguns, crowbars, Tasers and tomahawk axes: Dozens of Capitol rioters wielded "deadly or dangerous" weapons, prosecutors say - CBS News
Arrested Capitol rioters had guns and bombs, everyday careers and Olympic medals

Well that sounds like weapons to me. And another reason why all those involved should be prosecuted.

rjs330 · Jan 10, 2022

durangodawood said:
If 1/6 was just an aberrant spasm, then I'd agree.

But I think it was really an expression of deeper resentments, and the impulse will return over and over again. Crucially, it was a signal that many people are ready to move on from rule of law means of selecting government in favor of force if sufficiently disappointed.

Not to mention a sitting US president gleefully watching as it unfolds. And a truly vast number of Americans who live in some alternate reality where Trump should be the rightful president.

Of course Jan 6 (the day democracy almost died) was an aberrant spasm. Nothing has happened since. No one else has attacked the capital or rioted in the streets. This thing is over no matter what others might think. There were plenty of people who thought Bush was an illegitimate president his entire presidency.

rjs330 · Jan 10, 2022

keith99 said:
Yes what do her actual words matter to Trumpers. Twist them to the point where the claim becomes a blatant lie. It makes no difference, she said something bad about The Leader.

Yes and said Jan 6 (the day that democracy almost died) should be on out calendar like Pearl Harbor and 911 as a day to remember. The comparison is clear.

rjs330 · Jan 10, 2022

Taodeching said:
Bidenites

Yeah that's better than Bideners.

Maybe just Biders?

rjs330 · Jan 10, 2022

Michael Collum said:
I can only imagine how you read the gospels. ...

What's that got to do with anything?

Gregory Thompson · Jan 11, 2022

rjs330 said:
What's that got to do with anything?

Seriously?

TLK Valentine · Jan 11, 2022

Albion said:
which raises the question...what are we supposed to call the people who worship Joe Biden?

Who worships Biden?

Harris gets some blowback for comparing Jan 6th to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor

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