Gun Grooming

[mark46]

Love and respect hunting and hunters. Brother and father do it and hope to do it soon.

Being around a gun is not gun grooming, nor is your kid looking at guns.

As a teen, I remember shooting cans off the fence. I remember going out with my brother and my father when they hunted pheasant in the fields behind our house. They both often went off on hunting trips.

There will be no peace in this country until we understand that the protection of hunting and hunters is NOT, is NOT the same as protecting those who have dozens of military quality weapons that have large magazines.

It is NOT the same as carrying concealed firearms into McDonald's and modeling that for your kids. We do NOT live in the Old West.

Of COURSE, there are rural areas where one should be armed to protect themselves from animals. And yes, there are rural areas where most everyone has a gun in the house for protection (locked up to protect children).

 

[rambot]

As a teen, I remember shooting cans off the fence. I remember going out with my brother and my father when they huntied pheasant in the fields behind our house. They both often went off on hunting trips.

There will be no peace in this country until we understand that the protection of hunting and hunters is NOT, is NOT the same as protect those who have dozens of military quality weapons that have large magazines.

It is NOT the same as carrying concealed firearms into McDonald's and modeling that for your kid. We do NOT live in the Old West.

Of COURSE, there are rural areas where one should be armed to protect themselves from animals. And yes, there are rural areas where most everyone has a gun in the house for protection (locked up to protect children).

Yes.

Thank you
Simple as that.

 

[Tuur]

As a teen, I remember shooting cans off the fence. I remember going out with my brother and my father when they huntied pheasant in the fields behind our house. They both often went off on hunting trips.

There will be no peace in this country until we understand that the protection of hunting and hunters is NOT, is NOT the same as protect those who have dozens of military quality weapons that have large magazines.

It is NOT the same as carrying concealed firearms into McDonald's and modeling that for your kid. We do NOT live in the Old West.

Of COURSE, there are rural areas where one should be armed to protect themselves from animals. And yes, there are rural areas where most everyone has a gun in the house for protection (locked up to protect children).

The flaw is that all weapons have military roots, from muzzle loaders to semi-automatic firearms. All have been used in US wars. The Germans in WWI threatened to kill on sight any Allied soldier found with a pump shotgun, and bolt action rifles were the common battle weapon of that era. WWII saw semi-automatic rifles in battle. The .45 1911 was used in action prior to WWI. Even lever actions have been used in combat.

As to concealed carry, like it or not, some people do need that sort of protection.

 

[mark46]

The flaw is that all weapons have military roots, from muzzle loaders to semi-automatic firearms. All have been used in US wars. The Germans in WWI threatened to kill on sight any Allied soldier found with a pump shotgun, and bolt action rifles were the common battle weapon of that era. WWII saw semi-automatic rifles in battle. The .45 1911 was used in action prior to WWI. Even lever actions have been used in combat.

As to concealed carry, like it or not, some people do need that sort of protection.

1) We had an assault weapons ban. It is not all that difficult to define weapons that shouldn't be manufactured for public use. This includes defining accessories such as high-capacity magazines as illegal.

2) Yes, some people need to carry concealed weapons. How is that somehow the same as arguing that ALL citizens should have the right to concealed carry.

 

[FireDragon76]

I'm sorry you find it so offensive but I'm not going to edit it out because it is the DEFINITIVE example of "gun culture". He had ABSOLUTELY NO obligation to put himself into that situation. He SOUGHT it out. He didn't have to leave his house..,....he certainly didn't have to leave his house with a gun.

But with a gun, he felt empowered to put himself into a dangerous situation when he had no reason to be there. He deluded himself into thinking he is a hero because he owns a gun.

I'm not arguing the specifics about his response to those guys attacking him was handled poorly, I'm saying gun culture is what led him to be out on the street that night to begin with.

Exactly. It's called escalation, looking for trouble. Riotous situations need de-escalation from professionals, not wannabe Rambos.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Exactly. It's called escalation, looking for trouble. Riotous situations need de-escalation from professionals, not wannabe Rambos.

What part was the escalation?

When he stoicly stood there while a mob screamed obscenities and threats at him?

When he put out fires they attempted to start?

Or when he literally ran from the degenerates trying to murder him?

 

[Ana the Ist]

1) We had an assault weapons ban. It is not all that difficult to define weapons that shouldn't be manufactured for public use. This includes defining accessories such as high-capacity magazines as illegal.

Are we banning assault rifles or high capacity magazines?

 

[Tuur]

1) We had an assault weapons ban. It is not all that difficult to define weapons that shouldn't be manufactured for public use. This includes defining accessories such as high-capacity magazines as illegal.

2) Yes, some people need to carry concealed weapons. How is that somehow the same as arguing that ALL citizens should have the right to concealed carry.

To your point 1:

Really? Define an assault weapon.

To your point 2:

Not everyone may need to carry a concealed weapon, but who defines that need?

 

[wing2000]

As a teen, I remember shooting cans off the fence. I remember going out with my brother and my father when they hunted pheasant in the fields behind our house. They both often went off on hunting trips.

There will be no peace in this country until we understand that the protection of hunting and hunters is NOT, is NOT the same as protecting those who have dozens of military quality weapons that have large magazines.

It is NOT the same as carrying concealed firearms into McDonald's and modeling that for your kids. We do NOT live in the Old West.

Of COURSE, there are rural areas where one should be armed to protect themselves from animals. And yes, there are rural areas where most everyone has a gun in the house for protection (locked up to protect children).

...growing up in rural Pennsylvania in the 70's, 80's, that was my experience as well. We had rifles for game hunting and target practice. We certainly did NOT need AR15's and similar weapons.

The adoration of weapons of war in this country and the culture (and industry) around it is a big problem.

 

[wing2000]

Let's talk about my own "gun grooming." We saw them whenever it was hunting season or when a dangerous four-legged or no-legged varmint was nearby. My father took the mystery out of them by letting us fire the .22 with him standing beside us, and all of us had been near the shotguns when they were used, so there was no mystery there. We were drilled in firearm safety, beginning with the then ubiquitous toy guns. We were taught never to point a firearm at anyone, or anything we didn't intend to shoot. We were taught to be sure of our target and to be aware of what was behind it. We were taught never to keep a firearm loaded. I can't remember where I learned to open the chamber and make sure a firearm was unloaded before handling it, but I had to have learned it somewhere, most likely my father. Our "grooming" progressed to hunting.

All of which is an example of responsible gun ownership.

Today, we have people showing up at public protest dressed in military attire and carrying around AR15's because....they legally can. They never stopped and ask themselves if they should.....

 

[wing2000]

One of many signs our culture at large is sick and irresponsible when it comes to guns.

Let's see if the mother is heard accountable....(or if she can under Virginia law):

Police say a 6-year-old student shot his teacher at a Virginia elementary school on Friday, and authorities face a difficult and uncomfortable question: How should they prosecute a crime committed by a first-grader?

The investigation is ongoing into the shooting at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Va., but police have not wavered in their determination that the attack was deliberate.

"She was providing instruction. He displayed a firearm. He pointed it, and he fired one round," Steve Drew, the city's police chief, said in a Monday press conference. "This shooting was not accidental. It was intentional."

Authorities said the child acquired the gun at home and brought it to school in his backpack. The gun had been legally purchased by his mother.

A 6-year-old shooter raises difficult questions for the criminal justice system

Although Virginia law does not set a minimum age for criminal prosecution, the traditional principles of criminal justice "don't really apply" when the offender is so young, one legal expert said.

www.npr.org

 

[Larniavc]

That kid did nothing wrong.

He chose to put himself into a situation where two people were killed. HIs actions caused to people to be dead. He deserves every iota of derision and scorn he gets. Americans simply cannot be trusted to own guns.

 

[rambot]

What part was the escalation?

When he stoicly stood there while a mob screamed obscenities and threats at him?

When he put out fires they attempted to start?

Or when he literally ran from the degenerates trying to murder him?

How is bringing a gun to a protest NOT escalation?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Who is Kyle Rottenhouse?

Does juvenile name calling make it more effective?

How is bringing a gun to a protest NOT escalation?

Did you ask that about the person who actually drew his concealed weapon and pointed at Kyle Rittenhouse?

We started our kids (6) around 4 years old on gun safety - we allowed them to hold the guns whenever they asked - that took the mystery out. All our weapons are in a safe and the long guns have trigger locks additionally. As they got older, shooting .22's was a Saturday treat. Of the six, who are now grown and have families of their own, only two are gun owners.

If someone cannot recognize the difference between teaching gun safety and grooming children sexually, I'm afraid there really is no where to go in that conversation.

 

[Always in His Presence]

If you look at this picture and cannot tell this is a toy gun.

1. You need more education on identifying weapons
2. You know know why people carrying fake guns get shot by cops.

 

[wing2000]

If you look at this picture and cannot tell this is a toy gun.

Why is our society selling toy guns that mimic a weapon of war?

 

[Ana the Ist]

He chose to put himself into a situation where two people were killed.

I agree...unfortunately, the two people killed along with multiple others created that situation. They didn't have to riot, they didn't have to bring weapons, and they certainly didn't have to attempt to kill someone who wasn't threatening them.

The two people killed were attempting murder and if you make that choice and lose your life...you got what you deserved.

HIs actions caused to people to be dead.

Rightly so.

He deserves every iota of derision and scorn he gets.

He deserves no such thing. If you imagine he should have passively allowed a violent mob of criminals to murder him without resistance....your morality is difficult to understand.

Americans simply cannot be trusted to own guns.

I agree to that statement regarding some Americans.

 

[rambot]

Who is Kyle Rottenhouse?

Does juvenile name calling make it more effective?

Nope, it doesn't. You're right. I didn't make the meme but I'm not a fan of the name change.

Did you ask that about the person who actually drew his concealed weapon and pointed at Kyle Rittenhouse?

1) No, I didn't. So? This thread is about gun grooming. You are welcome to find a picture of that guy to prove YOUR point.
2) Wait....so the guy with the concealed gun drew it and pointed it at the guy who had a visible gun?

We started our kids (6) around 4 years old on gun safety - we allowed them to hold the guns whenever they asked - that took the mystery out. All our weapons are in a safe and the long guns have trigger locks additionally. As they got older, shooting .22's was a Saturday treat. Of the six, who are now grown and have families of their own, only two are gun owners.

If someone cannot recognize the difference between teaching gun safety and grooming children sexually, I'm afraid there really is no where to go in that conversation.

Gun safety is NOT "gun grooming" hislegacy. I've written that like, 5 times in this thread.

The belief that the existence of drag shows is more dangerous than guns is irrational.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why is our society selling toy guns that mimic a weapon of war?

We always have:

 

[rambot]

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If you look at this picture and cannot tell this is a toy gun.

1. You need more education on identifying weapons
2. You know know why people carrying fake guns get shot by cops.

I am fully ignorant. Please tell me how it can be known it's a toy gun.

Not trying to antagonize; I'm not a gun person.