Governor Kasich Legalizes Campus Carry. What Do You Think?

[footballfanatic]

On Monday Ohio Governor John Kasich (R) signed Senate Bill 199, thereby legalizing concealed carry on college and university campuses where school trustees vote to allow it. Source

What do you think about this? If you have a son or daughter who is a college student, would you feel safer if they were concealed carrying a handgun on campus? Will this lead to fewer people being injured/killed if there are attacks? Less likely muggings or rapes? I think it could if the gun owners are responsible.

 

[Darkhorse]

Fantastic!

 

[dogs4thewin]

YES EVERY state should have this. If you asks me there should be NO SUCH THING as a gun free zone.

 

[archer75]

If the trustees allow it...I expect the result will be more guns on campus (the guns that would already have been there + the ones brought because they are now permitted) and the same number of people exploding with frustration and rage...so I expect the result over time will be an increase in the number of horrible shooting deaths.

I just don't see the "good guy with a gun" scenario playing out like some people think it will.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If the trustees allow it...I expect the result will be more guns on campus (the guns that would already have been there + the ones brought because they are now permitted) and the same number of people exploding with frustration and rage...so I expect the result over time will be an increase in the number of horrible shooting deaths.

I just don't see the "good guy with a gun" scenario playing out like some people think it will.

Well, it has played out well in other places.

 

[HannahT]

There are guns on campus now - with or without the rule.

 

[archer75]

There are guns on campus now - with or without the rule.

Sure, but I kind of assume this will at least somewhat increase the number.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Sure, but I kind of assume this will at least somewhat increase the number.

Maybe maybe not. Keep in mind that the people that have guns now do not care, but the people who may get a gun AFTER this will. Also, most states require people to be at least 21 to have a handgun. This would mean that student-wise most would not have them unless they were upperclassmen or non-traditional ( usually meaning those who have reached their 24th or 25th birthday.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

As a professor it's comforting to know that when an upset student comes to argue with me about how it's not possible that they failed the exam, and if I don't give them a C, I ruin their life and their job prospects, that they might now be carrying a gun.

 

[dogs4thewin]

As a professor it's comforting to know that when an upset student comes to argue with me about how it's not possible that they failed the exam, and if I don't give them a C, I ruin their life and their job prospects, that they might now be carrying a gun.

Well, as was pointed out I can about promise that if it is a large enough school people have firearms or at the very least easy access to them. The people who do not care about the rules do not care if they can lawfully carry or not.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

On Monday Ohio Governor John Kasich (R) signed Senate Bill 199, thereby legalizing concealed carry on college and university campuses where school trustees vote to allow it. Source

What do you think about this? If you have a son or daughter who is a college student, would you feel safer if they were concealed carrying a handgun on campus? Will this lead to fewer people being injured/killed if there are attacks? Less likely muggings or rapes? I think it could if the gun owners are responsible.

And the occasional toddler shooting another toddler and the occasional nutjob shooting are things that will never increase even as guns increase, because all the dangerous nut jobs and dangerous toddlers already have their guns . . . right?

 

[dogs4thewin]

And the occasional toddler shooting another toddler and the occasional nutjob shooting are things that will never increase even as guns increase, because all the dangerous nut jobs and dangerous toddlers already have their guns . . . right?

Toddlers come down to adults/older children being responsabile.

 

[HannahT]

As a professor it's comforting to know that when an upset student comes to argue with me about how it's not possible that they failed the exam, and if I don't give them a C, I ruin their life and their job prospects, that they might now be carrying a gun.

They might have been armed before this change happened.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

And the occasional toddler shooting another toddler and the occasional nutjob shooting are things that will never increase even as guns increase, because all the dangerous nut jobs and dangerous toddlers already have their guns . . . right?

As it happens, more toddlers die every year from ingesting household cleaning chemicals every year from firearms in total.

Therefore, why isn't the left more interested in controlling household cleaning chemicals in private hands?

Gun control in any form is not intended to curb crime; it's to make the common citizen a serf. Anti-gun is pro-criminal.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

As a professor it's comforting to know that when an upset student comes to argue with me about how it's not possible that they failed the exam, and if I don't give them a C, I ruin their life and their job prospects, that they might now be carrying a gun.

How do you know now? You obviously have the silly idea a student who is crazy enough to harm you if they don't study and you don't lie for them is sane enough to follow all the laws and rules. The 'goofies' are already 'goofy', professor.

Unless you publicly announce you are unarmed, how does the hypothetical student know YOU are unarmed? As far as the student is concerned, YOU have the same rights to carry.

And you might get rid of that "I'm a professor and you're dirt under my feet" attitude. Courtesy and tact go a long way toward disagreeing without being disagreeable.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

...I expect the result will be more guns on campus...

Correct. But the increase in firearms will be under the control of those already vetted by the state to be suitably sane and capable of carrying a firearm.

...and the same number of people exploding with frustration and rage...

Also correct. The same number of 'goofies' will be there, possibly illegally armed JUST LIKE BEFORE. However, there would then be a number of responsible persons armed to counterbalance that already existing threat.

...so I expect the result over time will be an increase in the number of horrible shooting deaths.

Based on what? Leftist doctrine?

That very same prediction has been made everywhere concealed carry legislation has been enacted. There are now over thirty states allowing concealed carry, five without any restrictions at all. The anti-gun crowd is heart-broken over all the shootings that haven't happened.

What has happened is the number of people bent on felonious mischief have been shot and sometimes killed, instead of victims. Does this disturb you, that the criminals rather than the decent folk get shot?

I just don't see the "good guy with a gun" scenario playing out like some people think it will.

If you think that, you ignore the reality.

The places with the highest murder rates are those locations with the strictest gun control.

 

[Hank77]

As a professor it's comforting to know that when an upset student comes to argue with me about how it's not possible that they failed the exam, and if I don't give them a C, I ruin their life and their job prospects, that they might now be carrying a gun.

Do you have many mentally unstable students in your classes?

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

They might have been armed before this change happened.

Yes, but I don't see how that makes it a positive change

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Do you have many mentally unstable students in your classes?

I'm an engineer and mathematician, and thus not qualified to diagnose those sorts of mental health issues in my students. I have had, however, difficult encounters with disgruntled students.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

How do you know now? You obviously have the silly idea a student who is crazy enough to harm you if they don't study and you don't lie for them is sane enough to follow all the laws and rules. The 'goofies' are already 'goofy', professor.

Unless you publicly announce you are unarmed, how does the hypothetical student know YOU are unarmed? As far as the student is concerned, YOU have the same rights to carry.

And you might get rid of that "I'm a professor and you're dirt under my feet" attitude. Courtesy and tact go a long way toward disagreeing without being disagreeable.

And why do you assume I have that attitude or am not courteous?to my students? I would say my reputation is in fact the opposite, if you care to know.