God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

[isleof]

No.... love they neighbor and love God isn't JUST the 10 commandments it fulfills ALL of the Mosaic Law...... including the 10 commandments.

So your admitting the law is good?

 

[isleof]

Christians are NOT obligated to the Mosaic Law and thus to them neither do they love or hate it because to them it is just a part of history not doctrinal for them.

So it is your opinion Sophrosyne, that practicing going against them is ok?

Don't forget, you said all the laws are of love for others and God.

 

[Sophrosyne]

So your admitting the law is good?

So it is your opinion Sophrosyne, that practicing going against them is ok?

Don't forget, you said all the laws are of love for others and God.

I'm not interested in this style of "debate".

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by Sophrosyne

Blasphemy isn't the point I made​

You were using a broad brush to paint in your efforts to avoid one of the commandments you swept an entire host of them out the window as was pointed out with do not lie, honor your parents, do not take God's name in vain, etc (all the obvious ones).

I was simply pointing out that if you want to go after one of the commandments but not the other - you need some sort of argument that does that.

My point again.... NO nation other than Israel was EVER punished on account of compliance related to the Sabbath​

My point again - that broad brush argument is true of a whole host of commands in scripture that Christians today would be appalled at rejecting base such a flimsy idea - even you would oppose tossing out those commands of scripture on the basis you are suggesting.

To make a compelling point in that regard - you need an argument that just negates the Sabbath and not a whole host of scripture where even you do not agree with tossing that part of the Bible out the window.

A more focused less self-conflicting argument on your part is only going to help the case you are making so it is not as though I am suggesting an idea that would be bad for the argument you want to make.

Nonsense, my point is not a broad brush at all I chose a specific commandment of the 10

You did not show how the simple rule you are using did not catch all the other commandments as well. Which was the 'detail' to be resolved.

In any case you appear to not be interested in the details of your own argument - which is fine. You can present it however you wish if you are not looking for something compelling.

Show me where the non Israeli nations were punished or were seen as wicked because they refused to keep the Sabbath. If you cannot do so then you only have 9 commandments at best upon them..... NOT 10.

As stated before - there is no NINE in that model because I also cannot show you that lying, dishonor to parents, taking God's name in vain, stealing, coveting etc was used against pagan nations either.

A "detail" you appear to think that nobody is going to notice no matter how many times you sidestep it.

Not sure why you keep resorting to that - but if it satisfies you fine.

I just don't see anyone else here willing to commit to "ignoring that detail" with you.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by Sophrosyne

No.... love they neighbor and love God isn't JUST the 10 commandments it fulfills ALL of the Mosaic Law...... including the 10 commandments.
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So your admitting the law is good?

So your admitting the law is good?

Notice in Eph 6:1-4 Paul quotes from Moses saying that the 5th commandment -- still binding on the saints today is the FIRST one in that unit of ten that the saints are to observe - "with a promise".

Not true that the 5th commandment is the first promise in the OT>

Not true that the 5th commandment quoted in Mark 7 is the first promise in the Gospels.

Only true of the TEN Commandments.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Sophrosyne]

Originally Posted by Sophrosyne

No.... love they neighbor and love God isn't JUST the 10 commandments it fulfills ALL of the Mosaic Law...... including the 10 commandments.
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So your admitting the law is good?

not relevant if one is a Christian the Law has no use for us but history, it is carnal people (in the flesh) that have a need for rules written down.

Notice in Eph 6:1-4 Paul quotes from Moses saying that the 5th commandment -- still binding on the saints today is the FIRST one in that unit of ten that the saints are to observe - "with a promise".

Not true that the 5th commandment is the first promise in the OT>

Not true that the 5th commandment quoted in Mark 7 is the first promise in the Gospels.

Only true of the TEN Commandments.

in Christ,

Bob

Nope... Paul doesn't contradict himself and the rest of your so called examples are invalid.

 

[BobRyan]

Paul does not contradict himself -- Amen!

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1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes Moses TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment
6. Paul DOES teach that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
7. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
8. Paul does tell gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
9. Paul DOES ask that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
10. Paul DOES tell gentiles that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
11. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
12. Paul DOES tell gentiles that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16[/FONT]

 

[Sophrosyne]

Paul does not contradict himself -- Amen!

[FONT=&quot]
1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes Moses TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment
6. Paul DOES teach that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
7. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
8. Paul does tell gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
9. Paul DOES ask that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
10. Paul DOES tell gentiles that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
11. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
12. Paul DOES tell gentiles that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16[/FONT]

I'm not going to bother refuting this because you will simply and utterly throw my post in the trash like I never wrote it in the first place. Paul never teaches Gentiles they must keep the Sabbath AT ALL which completely destroys the 10 commandments upon Gentiles. Paul goes on and on about the Law and Grace with both at odds with each other and his Gospel of Grace has no real room for the Law within it to operate. Paul's Gospel completely makes the Mosaic Law of NO USE to those who are Christians in faith in the spirit. He equates those who are in the spirit are NOT UNDER THE LAW....... this right here makes all your post.... NONSENSE.

 

[BobRyan]

When I point out that Paul never instructs Gentiles to "Love God with all their heart" you respond with ...

I'm not going to bother refuting this because you will simply and utterly throw my post in the trash like I never wrote it in the first place. Paul never teaches Gentiles they must keep the Sabbath AT ALL which completely destroys the 10 commandments upon Gentiles.

How "instructive".

Paul "affirms the Law of God" in Rom 3:31 "Do we then make VOID the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God".

Thus in Eph 6:1-2 it is right out of MOSES and the TEN commandments that Paul quotes the 5 commandment in full saying it is the "FIRST COMMANDMENT" that unit of TEN - "With a promise".

And then in 1Cor 9:8-9 HE does the unthinkable - Paul argues that HIS word is to be taken seriously BECAUSE it is backed up by MOSES.

8 I am not speaking these things according to human judgment, am I? Or does not the Law also say these things? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He?

 

[SayaOtonashi]

yet there are others.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 6:14.
Christians are ”dead to the law." Romans 7:4.
"If ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law" Galatians 5:18.
Christians are "delivered from the law." Romans 7:6.
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster “ [the law]. Galatians 3:24-25.
For Christians, the Law is "that which is done away." II Corinthians 3:11.
For Christians, the Law is "that which is abolished." II Corinthians 3:13.
For Christians, Jesus, on the Cross, was "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us." Colossians 2:14.
For Christians, the Law is taken "out of the way" and nailed "to his cross." Colossians 2:14.
"When God speaks of a new [covenant or agreement], He makes the first one obsolete (out of use). And what is obsolete (out of use and annulled because of age) is ripe for disappearance and to be dispensed with altogether." Hebrews 8:13, The Amplified Version
"And after that he said, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. Thus he put an end to the first in order to establish the second." Hebrews 10:9, Lamsa Translation


Not only that but Jesus repeated 9 laws.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

I love Romans 7:4-6. By way of analogy, it says that you are married to the law. And you better stay married because if you leave this husband and go marry another you are going to be called an adulterer. But if your husband dies, then you can go and remarry.

And then Paul draws the analogy out—a little complex the way he does it—saying that you died to the law. You aren't married anymore, you can have another husband, namely Christ. He's raised from the dead.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I love Romans 7:4-6. By way of analogy, it says that you are married to the law. And you better stay married because if you leave this husband and go marry another you are going to be called an adulterer. But if your husband dies, then you can go and remarry.

And then Paul draws the analogy out—a little complex the way he does it—saying that you died to the law. You aren't married anymore, you can have another husband, namely Christ. He's raised from the dead.

Paul does a lot of these analogies with the Law and people who are pro Law do not understand them at all.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Also

s received the blessings by his faith. However The Lord still wanted Abraham´s signature on the covenant . The sign of this covenant was circumcision:
As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. – Genesis 17:1-13.
It should be clear here that sign of the covenant being maintained in the family of Abraham was circumcision of every son born in his house. The word “token” (or ‘owth in Hebrew) in verse 11 means a sign. God further stresses the importance of this sign by saying: “And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” (Genesis 17:14). Merely being a physical descendant of Abraham was not enough to be a part of the covenant. Circumcision was required for all males as their signature to the agreement made between The Lord and Abraham. Similarly today, when two people or companies make a contract, it is not “official” until both parties sign the document, thus showing that they are personally in agreement with its terms and have faith the other party will deliver on what they promise (because you would never enter into a contract with someone you had no faith would perform their part of the agreement).

Thus the covenant was established with Abraham and passed on to a specific son in each generation via a blessing from a patriarch. In Exodus 2:24 when Abraham’s descendants, the ancient Israelites, were in slavery in Egypt as God had prophesied, The Lord specifically refers to the Abrahamic covenant:
And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them. – Exodus 2:23-25.
All of the “children of Israel” were direct descendants of Abraham who were a part of the Abrahamic covenant by faith in God and through the sign of circumcision. In Exodus, we see the time of the slavery of the Israelites come to an end as God commissioned Moses to lead the nation out of Egypt and to the Promised Land, that God contracted to give to Abraham back in Genesis 15. But before entering that land, another covenant was established – the Mosaic Covenant.



Circumcises are for the Mosaic Laws and gentiles did not have to do that. They are not under the Mosaic Laws for they are not Circumcises.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

At the Last Supper – the Passover meal before the arrest and crucifixion, Jesus formally established the New Covenant:
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom. – Matthew 26:26-29.
Just as Moses announced the Old Covenant with the blood of the lamb on hyssop 1500 years earlier, Jesus Christ raised the cup at Passover symbolically calling it His blood and announcing the New Covenant, for the remission of sins in His name. And His true blood was shed on the cross, forever removing the barriers between God and man:
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. And straightway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; – Matthew 27:46-51.
At Christ’s death, the veil in the temple, which separated the Holy Place, where the priests performed their duties, from the Most Holy Place, where only the High Priest could enter once a year to offer up incense before God for the sins of the nation, was torn. No longer was there a need for the Mosaic law system of sacrifice and sin covering atonement. In Jesus Christ, the perfect sacrifice, there was forgiveness once and for all for all who believed. For those who are born again, there is only one High Priest, Jesus Christ. They are saved by faith, not works. And the law is now vanished away in their lives. No Christian is under any of the Mosaic law. All true, born again believers are entered into the New Covenant.
[B&E: And to be technical, if you believe following the Mosaic law is required of you (i.e., like many in the Hebrew Roots movement), then Jesus Christ cannot be your High Priest. Why? Because He is not a Levite. By the law of the Old Covenant, a priest can only be of the tribe of Levi and Jesus is of the tribe of Judah. Consider this carefully if you believe, preach or teach that Mosaic law-keeping is still in effect today.]
In order to go to Heaven a person must believe in Jesus Christ by faith and enter into the New Covenant. Anyone preaching that the Mosaic Law is required or that the Ten Commandments are the way of going to Heaven is preaching a false message. Scripture is clear that the Law’s purpose was to convict people of their sin and point them to the need for a Savior. All people have sinned except for the sinless Savior Jesus Christ. And it is only through faith in Him that a person can go to Heaven, not through their own good behavior or works.
This concludes this study. But it would be remiss to not address some of the obvious questions that can arise from the statements made in this article. So now we will attempt to do so.
Are Christians Under The Law? | Beginning And End

 

[SayaOtonashi]

an allegory:
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. – Romans 7:1-3.
Paul, addressing Jewish believers who knew the Mosaic law and lived by it all their lives, explains the rules of marriage they were familiar with – a married woman was bound to her husband as long as he was alive. If she left him for another man, she was committing adultery. But, if the husband died, the woman was free to marry another man. This was a picture of the unbeliever being under the law and then being freed from the law once she becomes a believer and enters into the New Covenant with Jesus Christ:
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. – Romans 7:4-6.
When a person is born again, their old spirit, which was of the world, dies and a new spirit is born in them. This spiritual death is what Paul calls becoming “dead to the law.” By believing in Christ’s death, the old marriage to the law is over and the new born again believer can be rightfully wed to Jesus Christ in the New Covenant. So none of the Old Covenant laws, including the ten commandments are a part of the covenant of a Christian who is a true born again believer in God.
Jesus Christ Preached A New And Better Covenant
As the rightful heir of the Abrahamic blessings, the entire world and the head of salvation of all people, Jesus Christ earned the right to establish the New Covenant. And for those who believe, Jesus serves as the High Priest in Heaven, interceding on behalf of all believers and providing forgiveness of their sins:
Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. – Hebrews 8:1-5.
Hebrews chapter 8 explains in detail that the instructions for the priesthood given to Moses when the Old Covenant was established was a type and shadow, patterned on the Heavenly tabernacle of which Jesus Christ is the true High priest:
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. – Hebrews 8:6-9.
Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant. The New Covenant, which provides salvation through faith or belief is a superior covenant. Because it was not based on human performance, but on the promises of God. And here the writer quotes Jeremiah 31 where The Lord specifically announced that a new covenant would be established. And Jesus Christ is the mediator of this superior covenant.
Hebrews 8 concludes detailing the expiration of the Mosaic law:
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. – Hebrews 8:12-13.
Once a person put theirs faith and trust in Christ, their sins are forgiven forever. And the Old Covenant of the Law, vanishes away. This is why from the time Jesus began His ministry on Earth began, Jesus proclaimed His superiority to the Mosaic law. Notice in these examples from the sermon on the mount, Jesus quotes the Mosaic law and then shows that His standards are far superior:

 

[BobRyan]

yet there are others.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 6:14.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" -- yes "even" in the NT!

your snippet post of Romans 6 gives a hint that the information in Romans 6 is in support of the Law of God - and against sin, against "transgression of the Law".

So lets not be so shy when it comes to Romans 6 -- let's have more.

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

 

[BobRyan]

So now given the "full focus" of Romans 6 as seen above - is it no wonder that it is said -

Paul does not contradict himself -- Amen!

[FONT=&quot]
1. Paul never commands gentiles to "Love God WITH ALL your heart".
2. Paul never commands gentiles "not to take God's name in vain"
3. Paul never commands gentiles to ignore the writings of Moses.
4. Paul DOES tell gentiles that Moses' writings are still authoritative scripture in 1Cor 9:8-9 and 1Tim 5:18 and binding as being "Law" and as being "scripture".
5. Paul quotes Moses TEN Commandments Eph 6:2. Full 5th commandment
6. Paul DOES teach that there remains therefore a "Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.
7. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
8. Paul does tell gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justifIED... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
9. Paul DOES ask that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
10. Paul DOES tell gentiles that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the LAw of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
11. Paul DOES tell gentiles that "The Law" is in fact "The LAW of Moses" and is to be used for testing doctrine 1Cor 9:8-9
12. Paul DOES tell gentiles that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16[/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

Hebrews 8 concludes detailing the expiration of the Mosaic law:
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. – Hebrews 8:12-13.
:

Hebrews 8 quotes Jer 31:31-33 and BOTH agree that instead of abolishing the Law of God - New Covenant "WRITES the Law on the mind AND on the heart".

What a contrast then between the lost and the saved is seen not only in Heb 8 but also in Romans 8:6-8 as a result of the LAW of God "written on the mind and on the heart".

Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


No wonder then Paul can say when contrasting the ceremonial law with the moral law of God "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

And as both John and Paul state keeping the Law of God is not something the lost will do - or CAN do. It is only for saved saints.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Where then is the "excuse" for all the war-against-God's-Law language that we some times see among Christians?

Indeed more than "one" Christian group has figured out that the saints are supposed to be KEEPING the TEN Commandments - instead of being at war against them.

Originally Posted by BobRyan The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley

All of them argue for the continued application of ALL TEN commandments to the saints today - starting in Eden and continued to this very day.

So while some Christian groups oppose them - there are quite a number in support of the TEN commandments - because under the New Covenant God writes the Law of God on the heart and mind according to Jer 31:31-33 and also Hebrews 8.

​

in Christ,

Bob

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

All christians follow the law inadvertently whether they want to or not once they convert. Thats the transforming power of the Holy Spirit. You no longer care about what you want or what the world wants, but what God wants. Which is the law summed up in a sense.

 

[Sophrosyne]

All christians follow the law inadvertently whether they want to or not once they convert. Thats the transforming power of the Holy Spirit. You no longer care about what you want or what the world wants, but what God wants. Which is the law summed up in a sense.

Nope.... I don't follow the Law nor do I wish to. The Law includes a bunch of stuff that pertains to things like diet, clothing warn, cleanliness, etc that most Christians don't ever even think about. Most Christians don't keep a proper Sabbath either including groups that promote it constantly they cheat when keeping it. The Law also demands punishment for breaking it something no group wants to have any part of whatsoever and not punishing is again... breaking the Law itself.