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God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

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Sabbath Keepers just reject your reasoning, and insist that works, particularly perfect Sabbath-keeping is necessary for Salvation and far more important than the Resurrection:



When I was growing up in the Seventh Day Adventist Church, Christians celebrating the Resurrection were denounced as devil worshipers performing a satanic rite. They completely reject the New Covenant, and their theology was unequivocally-declared to be a anti-Christian heresy:

Synod of Laodicea (4th Century)
Canon 29

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm

Since Christianity has always rejected the "Judaizing Heresy" of requiring Christians to keep the Mosaic Law, and abandoned Sabbath Keeping in the first year after the Resurrection, it is just amazing that this deceitful, dishonest promotion of the Sabbath (in reality, that is their only concern with "The Ten Commandments") continues to be allowed on a Christian forums website. If you reject the Council of Laodicea and its outlawing of the Sabbath, then you must also logically reject the Bible that it confirmed!

Canon 60
These are all the books of Old Testament appointed to be read: 1, Genesis of the world; 2, The Exodus from Egypt; 3, Leviticus; 4, Numbers; 5, Deuteronomy; 6, Joshua, the son of Nun; 7, Judges, Ruth; 8, Esther; 9, Of the Kings, First and Second; 10, Of the Kings, Third and Fourth; 11, Chronicles, First and Second; 12, Esdras, First and Second; 13, The Book of Psalms; 14, The Proverbs of Solomon; 15, Ecclesiastes; 16, The Song of Songs; 17, Job; 18, The Twelve Prophets; 19, Isaiah; 20, Jeremiah, and Baruch, the Lamentations, and the Epistle; 21, Ezekiel; 22, Daniel.

And these are the books of the New Testament: Four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; The Acts of the Apostles; Seven Catholic Epistles, to wit, one of James, two of Peter, three of John, one of Jude; Fourteen Epistles of Paul, one to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, one to the Galatians, one to the Ephesians, one to the Philippians, one to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, one to the Hebrews, two to Timothy, one to Titus, and one to Philemon.
 
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Apparently nobody takes your posts seriously - on this section of the board. How have you managed that so fast?
I take his posts a lot more serious than I do yours, which isn't saying a lot at that.
 
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I got another one of those SDA flyers in the mail recently. I find it ironic that the organization has NO pride in themselves to LIST themselves as the producer and promoter of the "conference". They realize that if they put their name on it people won't even bother to come so they go to lengths to hide their identity from the gullible folks who buy into their prophecy crap.
 
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It is based entirely on lies and theft. Whenever you hear a Seventh Day Adventist extolling the Ten Commandments, remember one thing: Their founding prophet was involved full-time for over 60 years of violating the Ten Commandment prohibition against theft and lying.

Do not take their disingenuous "support" of the Ten Commandments seriously: They believe that they are privileged to repetitively violate two of them.
 
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I think the problem I have is the deceit in it all, who in their right mind is going to attend a meeting not knowing anything about the group that promotes it. They could be trying to indoctrinate people into some dangerous cult or terrorist group. I don't think any SDA pastor would recommend anyone from his flock to go blindly to a group that advertises something related to the Bible that they don't go into depth about so why would they put up with actions they themselves wouldn't recommend to their own people? I would equate it to hypocrisy in a sense.
 
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Are you saying the priesthood is set aside? The modern day versions are basically the same and about as effective IMHO.
 
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All the other prophecy type meeting are advertised as being at a church.
 
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All the other prophecy type meeting are advertised as being at a church.
nope.... advertised at some meeting center I think... pretty vague information other than an address I think at times they do put a URL to some website that purposely has no connection to any church also
 
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nope.... advertised at some meeting center I think... pretty vague information other than an address I think at times they do put a URL to some website that purposely has no connection to any church also

What's wrong? You don't know of any "Evangelists With No Name" that roll into a strange town with absolutely no connection to any church? Then give their anonymous evangelistic spiel at an anonymous building for a few weeks. Then leave without ever contacting any Church and leaving everyone that came to the series high and dry, with nobody to contact?

Are you sure you aren't being a mite suspicious here!
 
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I'm somewhat paranoid for sure... when they have a flyer that tries to make you paranoid about your standing with God then they don't tell you who they are either it is almost like it is some sort of conspiracy going on you know...
 
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I'm somewhat paranoid for sure... when they have a flyer that tries to make you paranoid about your standing with God then they don't tell you who they are either it is almost like it is some sort of conspiracy going on you know...

There is no doubt that there was and is a conspiracy to disparage and denigrate the Resurrection and replace it with the Sabbath.

That is obvious.

Christianity has always been focused completely on the Resurrection and NEVER on the Sabbath. So this conspiracy that works hard to enslave Christians with an obsolete, irrelevant and defunct rite of Judaism will tell any lie, distort history, lie about what the Bible says, disregard the clear statements of Jesus and the Apostle Paul in order to systematically eliminate the Resurrection and replace it with the Sabbath.

That there is no doubt about their willingness to lie should be a given: The greatest anti-Christian Sabbatarians in history was Ellen White. She is "Exhibit A" in the conspiracy to lie about Christianity. For 50 years, she conducted a massive campaign to lie about Christianity, lie about history, lie about her "visions," lie about the Bible and then she stole other people's books at a truly shocking and staggering level. Her goal was to eliminate the Resurrection and replace it with the Sabbath as Christianity's central doctrine.
 
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God never changes. Yahweh is the same yesterday, today, and forever. With this having basis, there isn't a way logically that God would have a change of mind. Yahweh isn't a respecter of persons. So what God says is right to do for general things in life would be right to always, for anyone. That wouldn't change for anybody or for any time. What God's grace does for believers, through Christ, is provide the atonement with him having borne the penalties for them. Justice is always carried out and it was that way for the believers. They are then to grow in obedience, not to remain with doing anything that is wrong.

The commandment that are for all are in moral behavior. Sabbath itself is not for strict regulation for all, but provision for all letting each other have the rest.
 
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Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we must be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
 
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Amen!

And for the saints "The LAW of God is written on the heart and on the mind" Heb 8... Jer 31:31-33 ..

WE call that "the New Covenant".

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68388908, member: 235244"]Give me the Bible AND the Words IN the Bible.

Romans 8
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.[/QUOTE]


I thought I already gave it to you here it is again.

I you would like me to quote Romans 8 again - I am happy to do it.

As I pointed out with Romans 3 - and in Gal 3 - the purpose of the Law for the lost - is to show that the Law of God still exists, is still binding... it still defines sin - it still shows that the lost need to accept salvation.


Here it is from Gal 3 -
Galatians chapter 3
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

But Gal 3 makes it even more clear here - The LAW of God -- IS scripture AND it shuts up ALL - EVERYONE "under sin" -- as Romans 3 points out - it defines what sin IS.

BEFORE faith -- comes all you have is the law to tell you that you are bound for the second death - and need salvation.
That is not the purpose of the law AFTER you are saved.

21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

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all of this was already pointed out to us here -

QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68387718, member: 235244"]
Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.


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The law in the Bible convicts of sin. So only in Christ is there salvation from that, to believers with their repentance, from redemption that is with the atonement from Christ. Certainly faith, in Christ, is essential. This is to remove us from sin, not to have us continue in any of it, or to go back to any of it. And we are to grow, with this we are led to see yet more of what is sin among us. And this sin is including what the law was showing as sin in the Bible with convicting. With what Christ bore, those in Christ won't need to be subject to that conviction, yet still the sin that would have that conviction is not for them to keep doing. It is certainly not about their salvation, forum rules should be enough to keep that accusation of it being said to be claimed. There can be more known as may be discussed that involves maturing with turning from more sin that is recognised. And we still don't know it all and there is more for us to learn.

Love had at all will have it shown, from the heart, it won't lead to doing what is contrary to what is known of what Yahweh God said.
 
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With your snippets of out of context verses you have just declared Paul a liar, too bad you are so blinded to the real truth. Scripture has to be twisted to support your contention that we are under the Israelite old covenant
 
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