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Never said that........but those who live by the law will be accountable to the whole law.

Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Clue: None of the 10 commandments promises life or heaven, they only administers punishment and death.
Claiming that the ten were written by His finger tends to undermind justification by His blood.
Who said that they is salvation by the law? We are not saved by the Ten commandments. But I am not saved when I steal, and lie and kill.
In Christ I keep the law! Not to be saved. Romans 7: 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
If we do not steal lie and kill we consent that the law is good. How can you say that as Christians we should not steal but insist that the same law that says thou shall not steal is abolished. Does it make sense to you?
 
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I rather liked your OS upgrade from windows 8 to Vista or whatever you said.
More like the upgrade from Dos 5 or 6 to windows XP/2000 as windows 95/98 are hybrid allowing you to still run dos under them as they run on top of Dos itself (Dos 7 I believe). If you consider the Law is like Dos and you have to do everything manually while Grace is in windows exclusively doing either thing with a point and click pretty much the difference is dramatic. In Dos to get some dos based software to run you had to manually load device drivers while in windows you just click and go. The Law requires you to do everything by hand including procuring sacrifices for sins while Grace says we just point to Jesus.... click (have faith in) on him and presto!..... all done
 
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Who said that they is salvation by the law? We are not saved by the Ten commandments. But I am not saved when I steal, and lie and kill.
In Christ I keep the law! Not to be saved. Romans 7: 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
If we do not steal lie and kill we consent that the law is good. How can you say that as Christians we should not steal but insist that the same law that says thou shall not steal is abolished. Does it make sense to you?
Stealing is not loving your neighbor, neither is killing him but one isn't loving your neighbor by keeping the Sabbath because it doesn't do a thing for him whatsoever perhaps even causes him grief when you won't help him on Saturday because you can't work.
 
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The bible, encyclopedias and history books.

I just talked to an ex-Seventh Day Adventist Preacher yesterday who is now a Baptist Preacher and he said that it was the study of First Century History that confirmed his doubts about Ellen White's thefts and pathological lies, and that NOTHING Seventh Day adventists teach about history or the Bible is even remotely true. He wrote a book to encourage other SDA members to leave the cult, and about a month after his book came out, he got a call from one of his old theology professors from Walla Walla University. The professor had read the book and called up his former student to congratulate him on leaving the cult.

The professor had beat his student by just three weeks leaving Adventism and joining the Baptist Church!!
 
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Stealing is not loving your neighbor, neither is killing him but one isn't loving your neighbor by keeping the Sabbath because it doesn't do a thing for him whatsoever perhaps even causes him grief when you won't help him on Saturday because you can't work.
Help him do what?
 
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I just talked to an ex-Seventh Day Adventist Preacher yesterday who is now a Baptist Preacher and he said that it was the study of First Century History that confirmed his doubts about Ellen White's thefts and pathological lies, and that NOTHING Seventh Day adventists teach about history or the Bible is even remotely true. He wrote a book to encourage other SDA members to leave the cult, and about a month after his book came out, he got a call from one of his old theology professors from Walla Walla University. The professor had read the book and called up his former student to congratulate him on leaving the cult.

The professor had beat his student by just three weeks leaving Adventism and joining the Baptist Church!!
There are going to be more. Because the priests of the day hated and rejected Jesus does not make him wrong or not the son of God, does it?
 
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Who said that they is salvation by the law? We are not saved by the Ten commandments. But I am not saved when I steal, and lie and kill.
In Christ I keep the law! Not to be saved. Romans 7: 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Dont lie Elder, you and Paul are not in agreement. Paul says in this context...... Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

(...that Christian are now (a)delivered from the law, (b)being dead to the law, (c) to serve God in a new way.
Not by the 10.com you keep saying you keep in Christ.) Your comments are pathetic to say the least.
You will not say what the scriptures are saying. You keep pointing to the law, with scriptures that points away from it.



16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
If we do not steal lie and kill we consent that the law is good. How can you say that as Christians we should not steal but insist that the same law that says thou shall not steal is abolished. Does it make sense to you?
You're confusing the facts. My bicycle is in perfect shape but I drive a car to work. Paul is not trashing the law. He is saying that the law is a good thing. He explains that grace through faith has more glory than the law.
The law administers death, grace through faith administers life.
You and your prophetess Ellen White keep promoting righteousness by the law while the apostles preach righteousness by faith to Christians.

Rom 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
What part of without the deeds of the law means we're under the law?
Rom 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Faith and law are 2 separate covenants, one is of Moses and one is of Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Gal 3:23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Posting scripture about the law is easy but it's old covenant.
 
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There are going to be more. Because the priests of the day hated and rejected Jesus does not make him wrong or not the son of God, does it?

Seventh Day Adventism teaches an unbiblical, anti-Christian and non-Trinitarian Jesus Christ who accomplished very little on the Cross and NOTHING in the Resurrection, since it was Angels that brought him back. He was basically a nice guy who more than anything demonstrated how to keep the Sabbath well.

SDA has completely rejected the Biblical Jesus Christ taught by Christianity, and adopted a false one ginned up by a pathological liar and habitual thief. Seventh Day Adventism hates and rejects the real Jesus more than the priests of his day did. Any church that teaches little kids that celebrating the Resurrection is a Satanic rite is one that has utterly rejected Christianity, the Trinity and the whole point of the Bible.
 
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Who said that they is salvation by the law? We are not saved by the Ten commandments. But I am not saved when I steal, and lie and kill.
In Christ I keep the law! Not to be saved. Romans 7: 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
If we do not steal lie and kill we consent that the law is good. How can you say that as Christians we should not steal but insist that the same law that says thou shall not steal is abolished. Does it make sense to you?
To say that one who is a Christian can't sin doesn't line up with the Bible.

To say Christian and saved or possess salvation is one and the same. Yes I realize there are those who say they're Christians because of their works, ie they go to church on the week end. Then being in a bran makes me a horse or a bull.
 
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More like the upgrade from Dos 5 or 6 to windows XP/2000 as windows 95/98 are hybrid allowing you to still run dos under them as they run on top of Dos itself (Dos 7 I believe). If you consider the Law is like Dos and you have to do everything manually while Grace is in windows exclusively doing either thing with a point and click pretty much the difference is dramatic. In Dos to get some dos based software to run you had to manually load device drivers while in windows you just click and go. The Law requires you to do everything by hand including procuring sacrifices for sins while Grace says we just point to Jesus.... click (have faith in) on him and presto!..... all done
Works for me. I think its a great illustration.
 
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The bible, encyclopedias and history books.
OK I want to see it. Like I said Jewish Christians in Jerusalem might have done as you say, but not General Christianity outside of Jerusalem. There were the Judaizers who tried they very best to enforce the law on Christians. This was defeated especially after most of the Jews were no longer part of Christianity.
 
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Dont lie Elder, you and Paul are not in agreement. Paul says in this context...... Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

(...that Christian are now (a)delivered from the law, (b)being dead to the law, (c) to serve God in a new way.
Not by the 10.com you keep saying you keep in Christ.) Your comments are pathetic to say the least.
You will not say what the scriptures are saying. You keep pointing to the law, with scriptures that points away from it.



You're confusing the facts. My bicycle is in perfect shape but I drive a car to work. Paul is not trashing the law. He is saying that the law is a good thing. He explains that grace through faith has more glory than the law.
The law administers death, grace through faith administers life.
You and your prophetess Ellen White keep promoting righteousness by the law while the apostles preach righteousness by faith to Christians.

Rom 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
What part of without the deeds of the law means we're under the law?
Rom 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Faith and law are 2 separate covenants, one is of Moses and one is of Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Gal 3:23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Posting scripture about the law is easy but it's old covenant.
The law still shuts some up to bondage only because they won't accept faith.
 
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Dont lie Elder, you and Paul are not in agreement. Paul says in this context...... Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

(...that Christian are now (a)delivered from the law, (b)being dead to the law, (c) to serve God in a new way.
Not by the 10.com you keep saying you keep in Christ.) Your comments are pathetic to say the least.
You will not say what the scriptures are saying. You keep pointing to the law, with scriptures that points away from it.



You're confusing the facts. My bicycle is in perfect shape but I drive a car to work. Paul is not trashing the law. He is saying that the law is a good thing. He explains that grace through faith has more glory than the law.
The law administers death, grace through faith administers life.
You and your prophetess Ellen White keep promoting righteousness by the law while the apostles preach righteousness by faith to Christians.

Rom 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
What part of without the deeds of the law means we're under the law?
Rom 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Faith and law are 2 separate covenants, one is of Moses and one is of Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Gal 3:23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Posting scripture about the law is easy but it's old covenant.
The law still shuts some up to bondage only because they won't accept faith.

Some here say works cause salvation while others say salvation causes works. Some plants are male and produce no fruit but the female plant can't produce fruit without them. Yet they're still called a plant of the same species.
 
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Seventh Day Adventism teaches an unbiblical, anti-Christian and non-Trinitarian Jesus Christ who accomplished very little on the Cross and NOTHING in the Resurrection, since it was Angels that brought him back. He was basically a nice guy who more than anything demonstrated how to keep the Sabbath well.

SDA has completely rejected the Biblical Jesus Christ taught by Christianity, and adopted a false one ginned up by a pathological liar and habitual thief. Seventh Day Adventism hates and rejects the real Jesus more than the priests of his day did. Any church that teaches little kids that celebrating the Resurrection is a Satanic rite is one that has utterly rejected Christianity, the Trinity and the whole point of the Bible.
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Who said that they is salvation by the law? We are not saved by the Ten commandments. But I am not saved when I steal, and lie and kill.
With a short paragraph consisting of three sentences, you've contradicted yourself and show that your 'salvation' depends on compliance with the old covenant Law. You're attempting to save yourself via works of the flesh and you know you're lying on a public forum.

Review your own statement claiming that "I am not saved when I lie".
No one needs to refute your statements when you condemn yourself.

Besides, you've already seen plenty of quotes from the Pen of Liability proving that Adventist soteriology is based on compliance to the old covenant.
Testimonies for the Church
Volume Two, page 693, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: No Probation After Christ Comes

As we have followed down the chain of prophecy, revealed truth for our time has been clearly seen and explained. We are accountable for the privileges that we enjoy and for the light that shines upon our pathway. Those who lived in past generations were accountable for the light which was permitted to shine upon them. Their minds were exercised in regard to different points of Scripture which tested them. But they did not understand the truths which we do. They were not responsible for the light which they did not have. They had the Bible, as we have; but the time for the unfolding of special truth in relation to the closing scenes of this earth's history is during the last generations that shall live upon the earth. Special truths have been adapted to the conditions of the generations as they have existed. The present truth, which is a test to the people of this generation, was not a test to the people of generations far back. If the light which now shines upon us in regard to the Sabbath of the fourth commandment had been given to the generations in the past, God would have held them accountable for that light. When the temple of God was opened in heaven, John saw in holy vision a class of people whose attention was arrested and who were looking with reverential awe at the ark, which contained the law of God. The special test upon the fourth commandment did not come until after the temple of God was opened in heaven. Those who died before the light was given upon the law of God and the claims of the fourth commandment were not guilty of the sin of violating the seventh-day Sabbath. The wisdom and mercy of God in dispensing light and knowledge at the proper time, as the people need it, is unsearchable. Previous to His coming to judge the world in righteousness, He sends forth a warning to arouse the people and call their attention to their neglect of the fourth commandment, that they may be enlightened, and may repent of their transgression of His law, and prove their allegiance to the great Lawgiver. He has made provision that all may be holy and happy if they choose. Sufficient light has been given to this generation, that we may learn what our duties and privileges are, and enjoy the precious and solemn truths in their simplicity and power.

To show Ellen's dependence on 1844, I will include this quote from Early Writings, Pg 42-43:
Sabbath, March 24, 1849, we had a sweet and very interesting meeting with the brethren at Topsham, Maine. The Holy Ghost was poured out upon us, and I was taken off in the Spirit to the city of the living God. Then I was shown that the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ relating to the shut door could not be separated, and that the time for the commandments of God to shine out with all their importance, and for God’s people to be tried on the Sabbath truth, was when the door was opened in the most holy place in the heavenly sanctuary, where the ark is, in which are contained the ten commandments. This door was not opened until the mediation of Jesus was finished in the holy place of the sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door of the holy place, and opened the door into the most holy, and passed within the second veil, where He now stands by the ark, and where the faith of Israel now reaches.

I saw that Jesus had shut the door of the holy place, and no man can open it; and that He had opened the door into the most holy, and no man can shut it (Revelation 3:7, 8); [see page 86. See also appendix.] and that since Jesus has opened the door into the most holy place, which contains the ark, the commandments have been shining out to God’s people, and they are being tested on the Sabbath question.

I saw that the present test on the Sabbath could not come until the mediation of Jesus in the holy place was finished and He had passed within the second veil; therefore Christians who fell asleep before the door was opened into the most holy, when the midnight cry was finished, at the seventh month, 1844, and who had not kept the true Sabbath, now rest in hope; for they had not the light and the test on the Sabbath which we now have since that door was opened. I saw that Satan was tempting some of God’s people on this point. Because so many good Christians have fallen asleep in the triumphs of faith and have not kept the true Sabbath, they were doubting about its being a test for us now.
Ellen White's soteriology revolves around the Sabbath she failed to keep Holy according the Law that ordained it. This is evident in these quotes provided below that show the Adventist formula for 'salvation' to be compliance with the old covenant from Mount Sinai you don't acknowledge God's redemption from:
No one is saved who is a transgressor of the law of God, which is the foundation of his government in heaven and in earth. {RH June 17, 1890, par. 8}

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." 1 Samuel 2:30. {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

“God requires of all His subjects obedience, entire obedience to all His commandments. He demands now as ever perfect righteousness as the only title to heaven. Christ is our hope and our refuge. His righteousness is imputed only to the obedient!” (Review & Herald, Sept. 21, 1886)

"Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition of eternal life—the same condition that was required of Adam before his Fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden—harmony with God’s law, which is holy, just, and good." (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 391)
How much clearer does it need to be that the SDA church adopts a formula of 'salvation' by compliance to the old covenant? This is not a Christian organization that recognizes God's redemption from the covenant from Mount Sinai, and having one foot in the tenets of Judaism while giving lipservice to our Redeemer is their form of promoting adultery.
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
 
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Help him do what?
Work on his car or whatever.... something that to him is just work but to you is breaking the sabbath. He could truly need a hand and you would just tell him keeping the Sabbath is more loving that helping him. I'm sure he would probably look at you very strange if you tried to convince him of that.
 
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Work on his car or whatever.... something that to him is just work but to you is breaking the sabbath. He could truly need a hand and you would just tell him keeping the Sabbath is more loving that helping him. I'm sure he would probably look at you very strange if you tried to convince him of that.

Nah, those gloating, hateful self-righteous pharisees are MUCH MUCH worse than you can imagine:

"In silent horror, I listened to my Seventh-day Adventist pastor’s mini-sermon as I watched blood trickle down the little Boy Scout’s leg. After crashing his bicycle, the boy had timidly approached our picnic table. In a weak, shaky voice he begged, “I lost my group. Could you catch me up to my group?” Seeing this as a “teachable moment” my pastor responded to the young lad by gently putting his hand on the boy’s shoulder.

“Saturday is the Sabbath,” the pastor said with an enlightened smile and began a short homily explaining why the Fourth commandment kept us from helping him. However, he offered to pray for him. To this day, I am baffled as to why the pastor refused to help the boy, unless it was the Adventist taboo of riding bikes on Sabbath. That experience symbolized my frustrations growing up in the SDA church."

From Prophetess to Pope – Conversion Story of Arthur and Teresa Beem | The Coming Home Network

The gloating, preening-self righteous, dishonest hypocrisy of these people has NO bounds.
 
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Nah, those gloating, hateful lself-righteous pharisees are MUCH MUCH worse than you can imagine:

"In silent horror, I listened to my Seventh-day Adventist pastor’s mini-sermon as I watched blood trickle down the little Boy Scout’s leg. After crashing his bicycle, the boy had timidly approached our picnic table. In a weak, shaky voice he begged, “I lost my group. Could you catch me up to my group?” Seeing this as a “teachable moment” my pastor responded to the young lad by gently putting his hand on the boy’s shoulder.

“Saturday is the Sabbath,” the pastor said with an enlightened smile and began a short homily explaining why the Fourth commandment kept us from helping him. However, he offered to pray for him. To this day, I am baffled as to why the pastor refused to help the boy, unless it was the Adventist taboo of riding bikes on Sabbath. That experience symbolized my frustrations growing up in the SDA church."

From Prophetess to Pope – Conversion Story of Arthur and Teresa Beem | The Coming Home Network

The gloating, preening-self righteous, dishonest hypocrisy of these people has NO bounds.
Thus by Christianity they are SINNING by NOT loving their neighbor on Saturday... a rejection of the two greatest commandments given by Jesus himself IMO.
 
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