GOD CREATED EVIL, Period!

[DonnyT]

I quoted SCRIPTURE to this effect man;

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now, where does God repent of His Word?

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
I'm kidding btw, this is a thread on the origin of sin, not whether or not an action is a thing...

 

[Zeena]

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
I'm kidding btw, this is a thread on the origin of sin, not whether or not an action is a thing...

actually, that's very good!

And so now, I ask you, why will God Judge every deed, and Judge Righteously good and evil acts if there is no difference?

 

[DonnyT]

actually, that's very good!

And so now, I ask you, why will God Judge every deed, and Judge Righteously good and evil acts if there is no difference?

Wha? There is a difference. Evil acts he dislikes, and good acts he likes.

That is the million dollar question. If God uses evil for good, doesn't that actually make evil good? My theory is that although evil at this present time is bad, God will make it work for His glory as He does all things. However, God can still punish those evil doers, since He already told us throughout the Bible not to do the evil acts.

 

[yashua1970]

Consider the 4 attributes of GOD, Omnipotent (all powerful) Omnipresent, (is every where at every time) Omniscient, (all knowing) and eternal which means was there from beginning and will be there forever.

With these great attributes of God, its hard to imagine how evil ever came to be, that is as we know it to be. Most people believe that evil (devil) is an arch RIVAL of good (God). Such a believe is illogical when you consider an all powerful God, all knowing and perfect God. Which means everything he does is PERFECT with not even a slight error. We (esp. Christian) believe that devil was God creature. Then again we say that this creature rebelled against his maker! Check this out,what was made with PERFECTION turned to be IMPERFECT and rebelled against his designer. (rebellion is no doubt an imperfection) Such a believe is not only illogical but means that God made an error in his creation-which is not possible! Even men never quarrel with their tools! We forget that nothing surprises God cause he knows the future. U cant impress God by being too righteous, he made u that way! According to an Omniscient God FREE WILL doesn't exist.

So how did this creature 'turned against' God? The ONLY logical explanation is that everything was God's plan. God designed both good and evil, he is above all, rules over everything. The devil is not a rival of GOD but a creature working according to how it was designd to work.

My argument is evident in the bible, we can see this when God sent an evil spirit 2 deceive Saul (1 Sam 16:23), also when demons asks permission God 2 test Jobs faith. Then their is this part in 2 Samuel chapter 24, where God 'incites' David to take census, but the repetition of the same event in 1 Chronicles 21:1 says, 'Satan caused David...' Which means that God can use Satan to fulfill his wishes.

This evidence clearly shows that presence of evil in the world is part of Gods design to balance things in nature...just the way he created light n darkness, pain n pleasure, flowers n thorns, birds n snakes, butterflies n scorpions,....

And if God absolutely had nothing to do with evil, then why call him

You are so correct in that God is the author, and minister of evil.

I'll post this again since I use it so, so much.

God does not “allow” anything to happen: God is the ultimate CAUSE of all things that happen!

The American Heritage College Dictionary:
“ allow v. –lowed, -lowing, -lows. 1. To LET do or happen; PERMIT.”
“permit v. –mitted, -mitting, -mits. 1. To ALLOW the doing of; CONSENT. 2. To GRANT. 3. To AFFORD OPPORTUNITY.
Now then, do we feel better about this theological heresy and nonsense by using the word “allow”? If a Police Officer were to, LET HAPPEN, PERMIT, CONSENT, GRANT, and AFFORD OPPORTUNITY for a horrible crime to take place without lifting a finger to stop it, would he be morally guiltless for “allowing” it to happen? Does the catch phrase “allow” with all of its definitions somehow make void the responsibility of the Police Officer? Is God Almighty less capable and less responsible than even a carnal-minded Police Officer?
Why then do theologians invent their own solution to the problem by applying the unscriptural word “allow” to the acts of God, rather than to accept the plain truth of Scripture concerning these matters? Well, for the exact same reason they invent the unscriptural phrase “free-will” to get God off of the hook of responsibility for the evils in God’s Own creation!

GOD THE CREATOR OF EVIL​

“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I made peace [good], and create evil: I the Lord do all these things” (Isa. 45:6-7).
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Notice that God did not create light to shine IN the darkness. No, God “created” darkness, itself. Darkness is not just the absence of light. Darkness was created by God. It does not “naturally” exist independent of His creating it. This, like everything else in the Bible, is a parable. Mankind is spiritually in “darkness.” And it is a very painful thing to come out.
“For God, Who commanded the light to shine out of darkness [not ‘in’ darkness], has shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.” (II Cor. 4:6).

THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH GOD CREATED EVIL​

“And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail has God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith” (Ecclesiastes 1:13).
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What a horrible translation! My King James has three superior numbers in this one verse indicating three different words in the margin. Especially the last phrase:

“…this sore travail has God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.”
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What pray tell does that mean? One of the most all-encompassing and profound verses in all Scripture, and most translations butcher it beyond understanding.
NEW AMERICAN BIBLE: “A thankless task God has appointed for men to be busied about.”
JEWISH PUBLICATION SOCIETY: “…it is a sore task that God has given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.”
NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION: “What a heavy burden God has laid on men!”
YOUNG’S LITERAL TRANSLATION: “It is a sad travail God has given to the son of man to be humbled by it.”


Ecc. 1:13 from the King James:
First, the word “this” may be better translated “it,” as some have done.
But far, far more important than all, the word “sore” should be translated “EVIL” as almost none have done. It is the Hebrew word ra which always means “EVIL,” and is translated as “evil” in hundreds and hundreds of other verses. Why not in this verse? The few times that ra is translated “sore” in the KJV, it ALWAYS means “evil” as in “evil sickness” or “evil troubles.”
The word “travail” in the KJV is not out of line with the Hebrew, but is nebulous and not easily understood by most. It would better translated as “employment” or “experience.”
And we have already seen from other versions that the KJV “exercised” is better translated “humbled” as Young’s and Concordant has done.
Here then is a proper translation of this most profound verse:
“It is an experience of evil Elohim [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it” (Concorant Old Testament).


“It is an EXPERIENCE of EVIL that God has given to the sons of humanity to HUMBLE them by it.”
And to this agrees the rest of Scripture:
“For ALL his days are SORROWS, and his travail [experience] GRIEF…” (Ecc. 2:23).


“Out of the mouth of the most High proceeds not evil and good?” (Lam. 3:38).

“I will raise up evil against you out of your own house…” (II Sam. 12:11).
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“…I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction” (Jer. 4:6).
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“…Hear, O earth; behold, I will bring evil upon this people…” (Jer. 6:19).
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“…Thus says the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you…” (Jer. 18:11).
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“…so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until He have destroyed you from off this good land…” (Josh. 23:15)
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“What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God and shall we not receive evil?” (Job 2:10).
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“…shall thee be evil in a city, and the Lord has not done it?” (Amos 3:6).
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Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera!



Hope this helps.

 

[yashua1970]

actually, that's very good!

And so now, I ask you, why will God Judge every deed, and Judge Righteously good and evil acts if there is no difference?

I would go further and ask, what was the intention?

Is it better to lie in order to save someone, or tell the truth?
"Don't bear false witness to your neighbor"

Is it good to take another mans life, If they murdered your child?
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

In reality the "only" difference is the words "good", and "evil."
Like the old saying, you wouldn't know what was straight, unless your crooked.

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

My dearest brothers and sisters,

I choose not to display the obvious reasons that our Good Lord did not take part in the creation evil.

I will however point out what our Word has reminded us.

1 Timothy 4 vs 4.
For everything created by our God is GOOD,....

I know you will try to rebuke, calling out "context, context", but I tell you this. The root of the Word everything is of God. He has all that is pure and good within Him. It is not of God to be unclean, and without our Beloved, we are filth. He has made everything good and clean. It is of satan, alone, that evil and filth exist.


Praise and exalt Him above all forever!

 

[Zeena]

Wha? There is a difference. Evil acts he dislikes, and good acts he likes.

That is the million dollar question. If God uses evil for good, doesn't that actually make evil good? My theory is that although evil at this present time is bad, God will make it work for His glory as He does all things. However, God can still punish those evil doers, since He already told us throughout the Bible not to do the evil acts.

Yes, so then, evil is definately NOT of God in this world, nor the next.

A lot, and I mean a LOT of Christians are believing the lie that the sheep and the goats are representative of unbelievers nowadays..

I say they are the brothers of Jesus by works wrought in faith, even as He did;

Mathew 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Mark 13:33
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

Mathew 12:49
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

IOW; the evil will be put to good purposes in our witnessing of it's torturous end.

 

[DonnyT]

My dearest brothers and sisters,

I choose not to display the obvious reasons that our Good Lord did not take part in the creation evil.

I will however point out what our Word has reminded us.

1 Timothy 4 vs 4.
For everything created by our God is GOOD,....

I know you will try to rebuke, calling out "context, context", but I tell you this. The root of the Word everything is of God. He has all that is pure and good within Him. It is not of God to be unclean, and without our Beloved, we are filth. He has made everything good and clean. It is of satan, alone, that evil and filth exist.


Praise and exalt Him above all forever!

God is an all good god so evil is good.... in the end...

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

God is an all good god so evil is good.... in the end...

So what then of the ETERNAL punishment for those who choose evil or good?

Eternity has NO end!

 

[DonnyT]

So what then of the ETERNAL punishment for those who choose evil or good?

Eternity has NO end!

What about it?

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

What about it?

Evil, and those who subscribe to it's ultimate equality with good, will NEVER be made clean, for they have rejected the Truth of the Word.

Man is given ample opportunity to turn from demon made ideas of such that God has created or ordained evil in man or angelic creation. There is no evil in that which is God, nor can a man subscribe to such thought if he is to be made clean for the purpose of entering into his Fathers presence.

There is only hope that those are burned away fast, and are forgotten, by themselves and our ALmighty, but Most Gracious Father!

Scriptural evidence is in opposition to this hope, so I choose to at least try to understand the essence of an infallible Creator, and refuse to even contemplate His fallibility, or as some may call it, His puppeteering.

 

[DonnyT]

Evil, and those who subscribe to it's ultimate equality with good, will NEVER be made clean, for they have rejected the Truth of the Word.

We are made clean through Jesus.

Man is given ample opportunity to turn from demon made ideas of such that God has created or ordained evil in man or angelic creation. There is no evil in that which is God, nor can a man subscribe to such thought if he is to be made clean for the purpose of entering into his Fathers presence.

If God causes evil in someone, so another can become good, that evil has served the purpose of good.

There is only hope that those are burned away fast, and are forgotten, by themselves and our ALmighty, but Most Gracious Father!

Scriptural evidence is in opposition to this hope, so I choose to at least try to understand the essence of an infallible Creator, and refuse to even contemplate His fallibility, or as some may call it, His puppeteering.

Yes, God is God and to say that we can understand His ways is a little ridiculous. We can theorize however.

 

[yashua1970]

Evil, and those who subscribe to it's ultimate equality with good, will NEVER be made clean, for they have rejected the Truth of the Word.

Man is given ample opportunity to turn from demon made ideas of such that God has created or ordained evil in man or angelic creation. There is no evil in that which is God, nor can a man subscribe to such thought if he is to be made clean for the purpose of entering into his Fathers presence.

There is only hope that those are burned away fast, and are forgotten, by themselves and our ALmighty, but Most Gracious Father!

Scriptural evidence is in opposition to this hope, so I choose to at least try to understand the essence of an infallible Creator, and refuse to even contemplate His fallibility, or as some may call it, His puppeteering.

You must not understand what the law of opposites is.
Would you know what good was, If there were no evil?
No you would not.
Why do you eat something sweet, after you take something that is bitter?

There are no "Demon" made ideas.

Man is made clean through God, and nothing is thought outside of the purpose that God has intended for man to take.
Jesus made it very clear:

For out of the heart (The mind) proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

God is the creator,and minister of Evil, but most do not understand the difference between God using Evil for good, and using good for evil. Good, and Evil are nothing more than two words trying to describe something that is essentially "One" and the same, the only difference being is "degree"

There is no such thing as "Cold & Hot", "Light & Darkness", "Good & Evil." There is only words for us humans to describe the difference between things we perceive as opposites.

God is one.

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

You must not understand what the law of opposites is.
Would you know what good was, If there were no evil?
No you would not.
Why do you eat something sweet, after you take something that is bitter?

There are no "Demon" made ideas.

Man is made clean through God, and nothing is thought outside of the purpose that God has intended for man to take.
Jesus made it very clear:

For out of the heart (The mind) proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

God is the creator,and minister of Evil, but most do not understand the difference between God using Evil for good, and using good for evil. Good, and Evil are nothing more than two words trying to describe something that is essentially "One" and the same, the only difference being is "degree"

There is no such thing as "Cold & Hot", "Light & Darkness", "Good & Evil." There is only words for us humans to describe the difference between things we perceive as opposites.

God is one.

That sounds an aweful lot like what the self proclaimed satanist Albert Pike told his fellow luciferians in his instructions to the higher degrees demons.

You must understand that ALL that is evil is of satan, and that WILL be burned away when Jesus, WHO IS PURE AND HOLY GOOD returns.

Denounce this satanic nonsense, and return to the purity of good, that is in Christ Jesus.

lucifer was not falsely accused. his evil was in opposition to the good of ALmighty, and those who believe contrary may share his fate!

 

[DonnyT]

That sounds an aweful lot like what the self proclaimed satanist Albert Pike told his fellow luciferians in his instructions to the higher degrees demons.

You must understand that ALL that is evil is of satan, and that WILL be burned away when Jesus, WHO IS PURE AND HOLY GOOD returns.

Denounce this satanic nonsense, and return to the purity of good, that is in Christ Jesus.

lucifer was not falsely accused. his evil was in opposition to the good of ALmighty, and those who believe contrary may share his fate!

If Judas never did the evil thing of betraying Jesus, would we all be saved today?

 

[yashua1970]

That sounds an aweful lot like what the self proclaimed satanist Albert Pike told his fellow luciferians in his instructions to the higher degrees demons.

You must understand that ALL that is evil is of satan, and that WILL be burned away when Jesus, WHO IS PURE AND HOLY GOOD returns.

Denounce this satanic nonsense, and return to the purity of good, that is in Christ Jesus.

lucifer was not falsely accused. his evil was in opposition to the good of ALmighty, and those who believe contrary may share his fate!

instructions to the higher degrees demons

Do you even "know" what demon means almighty.
Did you even know that the word "demon/demons" doesn't even occur one single time in your bible (which is I would guess the KJV, but other versions use the word demons instead of Devil/Devils)
The word Devil/Devils is the word used in the KJV, not Demons.
Some would derive the word from a root da--, meaning "to distribute." More probably it is from a similar root da--, meaning "to know," and hence means "a knowing one."

The "Spirit of God" is the one who drove Jesus into the desert to be tempted of the "Devil"
Do you believe this?

Of course this means nothing to you, since I assume you take everything "literally" when it comes to the KJV, I thought "just maybe" you might do as the bible admonishes you to do which is:

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim. 2:15

From Masonic Info.
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!""[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, "bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King."[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]When Albert Pike and other Masonic scholars spoke over a century ago about the "Luciferian path," or the "energies of Lucifer," they were referring to the morning star, the light bearer, the search for light; the very antithesis of dark, satanic evil."[/FONT][/FONT]

You must understand that ALL that is evil is of satan,

You must understand that "God is the one who created "Good & Evil" for his purpose, and God created Satan for the purpose to sift you like wheat.

"By HIS SPIRIT He hath garnished the heavens; his HAND has FORMED THE CROOKED SERPENT" (Job 26:13). God garnished the heavens by His SPIRIT, because they are a thing of great glory, beauty, and splendor. But the crooked SERPENT God formed by His "hand" -- at ARMS LENGTH. Thus indicating it was something necessary, but not of His HEART AND SPIRIT! Satan is called "the crooked serpent." This word crooked comes from a Hebrew word that is not translated "crooked" anywhere else in the Bible. The word in Hebrew is bariach, and it means "a fugitive," Strong’s #1281. And "fugitive" is from the Hebrew word nuwa, Strong’s #5128, among its several meanings are: "to [go] up and down," and "to and fro," and to "sift." Remember that God names things according to what they are and what they do:
(A) "And the LORD [is this a high enough authority for everyone?] Said unto SATAN [not a heretofore archangel], Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, ‘From going TO AND FRO in the earth, and from walking UP AND DOWN in it" (Job. 1:7 and 2:2).

It is the "crooked [fugitive] SERPENT" SATAN who goes "TO AND FRO" and "UP AND DOWN" in the earth! God created Satan for this purpose.

(B) "And the LORD said [is this a high enough authority for everyone?], Simon, Simon, behold, SATAN [not a heretofore archangel] hath desired to have you, that he may SIFT you as wheat" (Luke 22:31).

it is the "crooked [fugitive] SERPENT" SATAN who "SIFTS" men like wheat! God created Satan for this purpose.

"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one UNTO SATAN for DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Cor. 5:4-5).

Do you believe what the Bible declares, or do you believe what preachers want you to learn?

lucifer was not falsely accused. his evil was in opposition to the good of ALmighty, and those who believe contrary may share his fate!

And that is just what God created him for.

"Behold, I have created the smith [that’s me] that blows the coals in the fire, and that brings forth an instrument for His work, and I have CREATED THE WASTER TO DESTROY" (Isaiah 54:16). ["waster" -- Hebrew: shachath, decay, ruin, batter, cast off, corrupt, destroy, lose, mar, perish, spill spoil -- UTTERLY WASTE, #7843, p. 115, Strong’s Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary].

God created the "WASTER," not the archangel who later supposedly became Satan, but from the BEGINNING God said He created "The WASTER" and He created him "TO DESTROY" Now then, WHO’S role is it to "destroy" the flesh of man so that the spirit may be saved?

"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one UNTO SATAN for DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Cor. 5:4-5).

It is SATAN who was created from his very beginning to be "the WASTER to DESTROY" men’s flesh (carnal mindedness) so that they learn not to blaspheme (I Tim. 1:20).

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

Do you even "know" what demon means almighty.
Did you even know that the word "demon/demons" doesn't even occur one single time in your bible (which is I would guess the KJV, but other versions use the word demons instead of Devil/Devils)
The word Devil/Devils is the word used in the KJV, not Demons.
Some would derive the word from a root da--, meaning "to distribute." More probably it is from a similar root da--, meaning "to know," and hence means "a knowing one."

The "Spirit of God" is the one who drove Jesus into the desert to be tempted of the "Devil"
Do you believe this?

Of course this means nothing to you, since I assume you take everything "literally" when it comes to the KJV, I thought "just maybe" you might do as the bible admonishes you to do which is:

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim. 2:15

From Masonic Info.
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!""[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, "bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King."[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]When Albert Pike and other Masonic scholars spoke over a century ago about the "Luciferian path," or the "energies of Lucifer," they were referring to the morning star, the light bearer, the search for light; the very antithesis of dark, satanic evil."[/FONT][/FONT]



You must understand that "God is the one who created "Good & Evil" for his purpose, and God created Satan for the purpose to sift you like wheat.

"By HIS SPIRIT He hath garnished the heavens; his HAND has FORMED THE CROOKED SERPENT" (Job 26:13). God garnished the heavens by His SPIRIT, because they are a thing of great glory, beauty, and splendor. But the crooked SERPENT God formed by His "hand" -- at ARMS LENGTH. Thus indicating it was something necessary, but not of His HEART AND SPIRIT! Satan is called "the crooked serpent." This word crooked comes from a Hebrew word that is not translated "crooked" anywhere else in the Bible. The word in Hebrew is bariach, and it means "a fugitive," Strong’s #1281. And "fugitive" is from the Hebrew word nuwa, Strong’s #5128, among its several meanings are: "to [go] up and down," and "to and fro," and to "sift." Remember that God names things according to what they are and what they do:
(A) "And the LORD [is this a high enough authority for everyone?] Said unto SATAN [not a heretofore archangel], Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, ‘From going TO AND FRO in the earth, and from walking UP AND DOWN in it" (Job. 1:7 and 2:2).

It is the "crooked [fugitive] SERPENT" SATAN who goes "TO AND FRO" and "UP AND DOWN" in the earth! God created Satan for this purpose.

(B) "And the LORD said [is this a high enough authority for everyone?], Simon, Simon, behold, SATAN [not a heretofore archangel] hath desired to have you, that he may SIFT you as wheat" (Luke 22:31).

it is the "crooked [fugitive] SERPENT" SATAN who "SIFTS" men like wheat! God created Satan for this purpose.

"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one UNTO SATAN for DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Cor. 5:4-5).

Do you believe what the Bible declares, or do you believe what preachers want you to learn?



And that is just what God created him for.

"Behold, I have created the smith [that’s me] that blows the coals in the fire, and that brings forth an instrument for His work, and I have CREATED THE WASTER TO DESTROY" (Isaiah 54:16). ["waster" -- Hebrew: shachath, decay, ruin, batter, cast off, corrupt, destroy, lose, mar, perish, spill spoil -- UTTERLY WASTE, #7843, p. 115, Strong’s Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary].

God created the "WASTER," not the archangel who later supposedly became Satan, but from the BEGINNING God said He created "The WASTER" and He created him "TO DESTROY" Now then, WHO’S role is it to "destroy" the flesh of man so that the spirit may be saved?

"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one UNTO SATAN for DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Cor. 5:4-5).

It is SATAN who was created from his very beginning to be "the WASTER to DESTROY" men’s flesh (carnal mindedness) so that they learn not to blaspheme (I Tim. 1:20).

My dearest brother,

Contrary to what you may think, I do not get my education from a preacher. Nor do I subscribe to the vast majority of apostasy that abounds this day in the harlot.

I do however KNOW that lucifer is maitreya, the deciever, that the free mason
religion is steadily trying to deliver Christendom unto.

i am the trump of the Lord ALmighty, and slave to Christ Jesus. I KNOW of whom I accuse. I have witnessed his flight, and have seen his descent. It is easy for you free masons to come here amongst Christians who are blinded by dogmatic pride, and apostatize. But I tell you this. I may not be here daily, and I may not see every thread, but when I see the work of satan, who IS LUCIFER the light(knowledge, sorcery, technology etc etc etc) I will call it what it is.

Technology from his wisdom WILL BE BURNED AWAY, and the chafe who need it will be burned along with it. I will be released form this flesh upon my Masters return, and exist in Him, and under His Divine protection until then.

What can lucifer give. A light bulb. Big deal. My kid can start a fire and make a torch. He's not 4 ft tall.

lucifer will have his judgement, and I will call out his technological eden, and the unity of its mark for what it is.


BLASPHEMY!

 

[yashua1970]

My dearest brother,

Contrary to what you may think, I do not get my education from a preacher. Nor do I subscribe to the vast majority of apostasy that abounds this day in the harlot.

I do however KNOW that lucifer is maitreya, the deciever, that the free mason
religion is steadily trying to deliver Christendom unto.

i am the trump of the Lord ALmighty, and slave to Christ Jesus. I KNOW of whom I accuse. I have witnessed his flight, and have seen his descent. It is easy for you free masons to come here amongst Christians who are blinded by dogmatic pride, and apostatize. But I tell you this. I may not be here daily, and I may not see every thread, but when I see the work of satan, who IS LUCIFER the light(knowledge, sorcery, technology etc etc etc) I will call it what it is.

Technology from his wisdom WILL BE BURNED AWAY, and the chafe who need it will be burned along with it. I will be released form this flesh upon my Masters return, and exist in Him, and under His Divine protection until then.

What can lucifer give. A light bulb. Big deal. My kid can start a fire and make a torch. He's not 4 ft tall.

lucifer will have his judgement, and I will call out his technological eden, and the unity of its mark for what it is.


BLASPHEMY!

I do not get my education from a preacher.

Then where did it come from?
Grandma's post service sermons maybe? How about your Christian elementary education?
Haven't you just bore false witness to your neighbor.

I do however KNOW that lucifer is maitreya, the deciever, that the free mason
religion is steadily trying to deliver Christendom unto.

This statement really shows how "fundamentalism" has affected your thinking.
I don't think I have ever heard one Christian ever think , or say that "Maitreya" is Lucifer. As far as I know Mason's have no need, nor any concern with "delivering Christianity unto Satan"

i am the trump of the Lord ALmighty, and slave to Christ Jesus. I KNOW of whom I accuse. I have witnessed his flight, and have seen his descent.

Do you say this because you don't have the capability to answer what I posted?
"Who drove Jesus into the desert to be tempted of the devil" Almighty?
"Who is it that formed the crooked serpent"
"Who created good & evil"

Everyone of these questions is found in your bible.
Now If you state "The Devil" to any of these, then you have just blasphemed the Holy Ghost.

It is easy for you free masons to come here amongst Christians who are blinded by dogmatic pride, and apostatize.

Sorry but I am not a Freemason, never have, and never will be.

I may not be here daily, and I may not see every thread, but when I see the work of satan, who IS LUCIFER the light(knowledge, sorcery, technology etc etc etc) I will call it what it is.

You have been here every day as far as I can tell, but that's beside the point.
You bible clearly defines what the work of Satan is.

He is the accuser:
The accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Just think on that, Satan is before God day and night.

The Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Did Jesus destroy the works of the devil?

Technology from his wisdom WILL BE BURNED AWAY

What does technology have to do with the devil?
Technology is neither good, nor bad Almighty.

What can lucifer give. A light bulb. Big deal. My kid can start a fire and make a torch. He's not 4 ft tall.

:o

lucifer will have his judgement, and I will call out his technological eden, and the unity of its mark for what it is.

:o

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

My dearest brother,

I refuse to acknowledge or consider that the ALL good God, who is incapable of evil due to the nature of His grace, has created evil, nor do I subcribe to the puppeteering accusation that would ensue.

God is faithful and just, and I will accept no other theology than that. Indeed there are Scriptural references to such, almost all in the OT, but the context of such is that one could understand this either way.

I have told you no lies.

I do however, humbly apologize for assuming you were a free mason, as that was wrong, and I ask of you forgiveness.

As to your debate, I choose not to contend, because I refuse to yield my position. But I stand on my assertion.

As for the free mason, iluminist agenda, this has been shown to me, and it is what is coming, and maitreya is lucifer.

 

[yashua1970]

My dearest brother,

I refuse to acknowledge or consider that the ALL good God, who is incapable of evil due to the nature of His grace, has created evil, nor do I subcribe to the puppeteering accusation that would ensue.

God is faithful and just, and I will accept no other theology than that. Indeed there are Scriptural references to such, almost all in the OT, but the context of such is that one could understand this either way.

I have told you no lies.

I do however, humbly apologize for assuming you were a free mason, as that was wrong, and I ask of you forgiveness.

As to your debate, I choose not to contend, because I refuse to yield my position. But I stand on my assertion.

As for the free mason, iluminist agenda, this has been shown to me, and it is what is coming, and maitreya is lucifer.

I refuse to acknowledge or consider that the ALL good God, who is incapable of evil due to the nature of His grace, has created evil

Then I guess you don't believe in what the Old Testament say's bout God being the creator of "Good, and Evil"
If that is the case then your one of those Christians who pick and choose which parts of the bible fit your theology, and that's O.K.

I do however, humbly apologize for assuming you were a free mason, as that was wrong, and I ask of you forgiveness.

I wasn't offended in the least, so no need to ask, but If you want "You are forgiven my friend"

As for the free mason, iluminist agenda, this has been shown to me, and it is what is coming, and maitreya is lucifer.

I would have to differ with you Almighty, because this person you speak of is nobody according to anybody. Only those who would buy into Benjamin Creme, and his ideology are deluded. He is no threat to anyone. The New Testament even declares what "God" does with people that believe a lie.

2nd Thes. 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


If anyone is deluded it is because God himself sends them this delusion. So think, and read your bible before going off and declaring yourself to be a "spokesman for God," or you might just be doing what God never intends for you to do, but no matter God will set you where He wants you to be when the time is right.