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There are many people who believe God created evil because they falsely think Calvin was right.
God punishes persons and nations according to HIS wickedness, and not thier own!
LIES!!!
Neither Satan, nor you and I, were CREATED evil,
we CHOSE to sin, wherefore the Lord is JUST & The Justifier of whosoever should believe on Jesus as the propitiation for OUR sins!
Job 40:8
Wilt thou even annul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be justified?
1 Corinthians 6:15-20binding ALL MANKIND to disobedience, then DISOBEDIENCE will have served its' purpose to God AS A SERVANT to Him.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20Zeena,
Is God soveriegn in your life. If so why do you try and limit what he can and can't do.
The word says all thing were created by him. What does not come under the word All.
hismessenger
And the ONE, single verse of your supposed Scriptural fact has ten, twenty, even thirty CONTRARY Scripture verses to your ONE faulty interpretation.Calvin has nothing to do with the scriptural facts as shown.
God without question works retributive evil, and yes, the evil present we ALL carry in our flesh is our own as it is OUR flesh. That doesn't mean however it is 'us' as Gods children.
You know the drill.
2 King said:Evil is not a creation, it's a relationship, thus it can't be created, rather expressed
So then, who was Jesus speaking of here, Satan or His Holy Father?Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Actually, it was the Father's Divine plan that His Son die on the cross. IOW, He allowed evil to have it's way to accomplish His will. It was also His will to allow Job to be attacked by Satan. BOTTOM LINE, God not only allows evil to exist, but He also regulates it. If you don't believe this, then you rob the believer of his joy that comes from completely surrending to God's wisdom.So then, who was Jesus speaking of here, Satan or His Holy Father?
John 19:11
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Did the Father deliver Jesus up to Pilate, or did Satan?
Luke 22:53
When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
Who was Jesus referring to in John 19:11?Actually, it was the Father's Divine plan that His Son die on the cross. IOW, He allowed evil to have it's way to accomplish His will. It was also His will to allow Job to be attacked by Satan. BOTTOM LINE, God not only allows evil to exist, but He also regulates it. If you don't believe this, then you rob the believer of his joy that comes from completely surrending to God's wisdom.
Zeena,Who was Jesus referring to in John 19:11?
Satan did the evil then, not God?Zeena,
By chapter 19 it was the Son of Man's time to be 'lifted up'!!! God the FATHER used Satan as His tool for His purpose of Glorifying His Son.....That being said, although Satan was a allowed to 'sift' both Caiphas and Judas like wheat, they both were held morally responsible for there actions for they both had seen and heard the overwhelming evidence that He was the Messiah and Son of God. We have 18 earlier chapters showing Jesus testimony about Himself to all His own people...... It is quite clear that they did the bidding of Satan, the father of darkness..... John 8 :37 ...you seek to kill me because my word finds no place in you. 38 I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father. 39 Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did." They said to him, "We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God." 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.
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THAT ARGUMENT FALLS SHORT.......Like I said in another thread, before creation existed, God was fully aware that Satan would come to be, and thus it can be said that GOD is ultimately the source of evil's existance. Think about it. God knew Satan's rebellion would happen since He knows all things, including the future. After the cosmic treason, God could have easily thrown Satan into the 'abyss' on day one and locked the Key to the door forever and ever. BUT HE DIDN'T!!!!! He allowed Satan to roam the earth and to tempt Adam and Eve. Thus God can be said to be the ultimate source of why evil exists.Satan did the evil then, not God?
But 'allowed' by God for the greater good [the propitiation for our sins?]
He knew that Satan would hand the Son of God over to Pilate because He knew what was in Satans heart?
Although not condoning it, He allowed it, yes?
Seeing as He has given free choice to all?
Acts 17:30-31
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
God does not know the future, He knows the HEARTS!THAT ARGUMENT FALLS SHORT.......Like I said in another thread, before creation existed, God was fully aware that Satan would come to be, and thus it can be said that GOD is ultimately the source of evil's existance. Think about it. God knew Satan's rebellion would happen since He knows all things, including the future. After the cosmic treason, God could have easily thrown Satan into the 'abyss' on day one and locked the Key to the door forever and ever. BUT HE DIDN'T!!!!! He allowed Satan to roam the earth and to tempt Adam and Eve. Thus God can be said to be the ultimate source of why evil exists.
God does not know the future, He knows the HEARTS!
So then, who was Jesus speaking of here, Satan or His Holy Father?
John 19:11
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Did the Father deliver Jesus up to Pilate, or did Satan?
Luke 22:53
When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
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