Global Warming is a Scam

[Heissonear]

It is well known that earth's oceans control the earths atmospheric heat over time. The ocean is the dog and the atmosphere is the tail.

Many people think the tail wags the dog!

Knowing that the upper 10 feet of the oceans contain more heat than the entire atmosphere ask yourself if decadal warming trends are simply artifacts of the redistribution of ocean heat.

With the plateau in earth's atmospheric temperature increase many are at a loss why such would happen.

Many do not understand the natural ocean oscillations and how they are in control of earth's atmosphere temperature.

Anyone who lives in San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Hawaii, Jamaica, and Bermuda have experience in how the oceans near them regulate their weather.

The tail does not wag the dog.

I grew up experiencing how the Lake Mead discharge through Hoover Dam was water with temperature ranging year round in the 50's to 60's degrees Fahrenheit, with all trout caught within 15 miles below Hoover Dam on the Colorado River exhibited pink flesh, typical of Rainbow Trout raise living in cold water. Now Lake Mead is in the middle of the desert! Summer daily temperatures are at or above 100°F. Even small shallow lakes in low latitude desert environments do not "heat up" due to atmospheric heat like some people imagine.

But you can fry an egg on the rocks that surround Lake Mead in the summer! But only in the afternoon periods, never at midnight or 3 in the morning!

 

[klibera]

Speaking as an earth scientist, I must agree with the original thread that global warming as a political cause has very much an ulterior motive so you can refer to it as a scam. The politiicians should be the last to state something on earth science-something they know nothing about. This is about an agenda-a cause celebre. I.e. the left is seeking to generate a revenue stream of some kind-a tax or a regulation on some entity for generating some carbon or nitrogen based gas. The left never tires of its lust for taxes & intrusion into our lives. Now the greenhouse effect as a precept of science is a valid one. But humankind is not as powerful as the heart of our solar system-the Sun-which is the main generator of climate. And then our unique property as a planet with an irregular distribution of landmasses & seas. These all affect our climate. Every year we hear on some news broadcast-oh it was the hottest year on record & then in another-it was the coolest summer we had (New England 2014). These leftists are using the same logic that the Church used on Galileo. It's all about an agenda. The fact is our sun will eventually graduate to a red giant & then perish as a white dwarf inside a planetary nebula. Our landmasses will continue to move around & our seas will open & close.

 

[Loudmouth]

Speaking as an earth scientist, I must agree with the original thread that global warming as a political cause has very much an ulterior motive so you can refer to it as a scam. The politiicians should be the last to state something on earth science-something they know nothing about. This is about an agenda-a cause celebre. I.e. the left is seeking to generate a revenue stream of some kind-a tax or a regulation on some entity for generating some carbon or nitrogen based gas. The left never tires of its lust for taxes & intrusion into our lives.

So we shouldn't play politics with global warming . . . unless you want to bash the Democrats, then it's just fine.

Now the greenhouse effect as a precept of science is a valid one. But humankind is not as powerful as the heart of our solar system-the Sun-which is the main generator of climate.

What evidence do you have to back this up? Perhaps you could show us what the effects of the added CO2 should be.

 

[Loudmouth]

It is well known that earth's oceans control the earths atmospheric heat over time. The ocean is the dog and the atmosphere is the tail.

What do you think happens when the atmosphere traps more heat? Is there an invisible barrier that prevents the heat from transfering to the oceans?

 

[hurste1951]

Speaking as an earth scientist, I must agree with the original thread that global warming as a political cause has very much an ulterior motive so you can refer to it as a scam.

Then you may be surprised to learn it was earth scientists who first pushed the concept and worked hard to get the public and politicians interested in it. (Learn about Roger Revelle's work in the 1950's, 1960's).

the left is seeking to generate a revenue stream of some kind-a tax or a regulation on some entity for generating some carbon or nitrogen based gas.

You may be surprised to learn that science has been behind things which wind up as legislation to enforce necessary changes. Like SOx and NOx emissions from coal fired power plants to eliminate acid rain or perhaps environmental laws which were based on a scientific understanding of the dangers of not paying attention to environmental concerns.

But humankind is not as powerful as the heart of our solar system-the Sun-which is the main generator of climate.

You may be surprised to learn that earth and space scientists can't find a relationship between the CURRENT warming and the sun's output. Which means it is something else. SCIENCE again points to the fact that when you figure in HUMAN factors (greenhouse gas ouput, land usage effects,etc.) you can re-create the temperature trend very well.

This is why I always rely on the SCIENCE and not the politics. SCIENCE tells you all you need to know.

Like: the sun's behavior does not appear to account for all of heating we have been seeing the past half-century.

And then our unique property as a planet with an irregular distribution of landmasses & seas. These all affect our climate.

Indeed! Thankfully since the 1850's the landmasses haven't dramatically altered position. Landmass location apparently has lead to different climates in earth's history. But 150 years worth of tectonism really doesn't move things around enough to account for this heating.

These leftists are using the same logic that the Church used on Galileo. It's all about an agenda.

Not really.

The fact is our sun will eventually graduate to a red giant & then perish as a white dwarf inside a planetary nebula. Our landmasses will continue to move around & our seas will open & close.

Yes and long before that happens and affects our climate we humans will likely destabilize our own ecosystem and possibly destroy our society and civilization.

In the geologic sense that won't be very bad at all. In the HUMAN sense it will be about as bad as it gets.

Thankfully you and I aren't humans so we don't have to worry. We're geologists. We have all the time in the world.

 

[eclipsenow]

Physics is not a scam.
It's repeatable and demonstrable.

Climate 'sceptics' should check out how CO2 actually traps heat: see it with your own eyes!

90 seconds in

This Year’s Model | Climate Denial Crock of the Week

 

[eclipsenow]

The current promotion that the earth-atmosphere system has been ALL negatively and catastrophically altered by CO2 GHG properties is all hype. It is a scam.

The embodiment and works of the IPCC as the most clear example of the "Catastrophic Global Warming" scam!

The ones in control of the IPCC are fraudsters. They have twisted the science to promote dire catastrophic predictions. They are Agenda rather than Science Driven.

Those who do not think Global Warming is not scam can freely present their views and information on why they think Manmade Global Warming is not a scam.

But I will add to the discussion, the statement "The Science is Over" is pure propaganda. The Science Is Not Over. We are learning more that shows the effects of CO2 in the atmosphere does not take over earth's climate, particularly to induce catastrophic events to come about.

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Does Heissonear know that the previous head of the IPCC is a Christian, and that Heissonear's politically motivated conspiracy theory (without any basis in reality) has just slandered not only this brother in Christ, but many brothers and sisters in Christ who are also climate scientists? How does Heissonear justify attacking their characters with the accusation that they are all basically liars? Is he really saying that none of them are capable of running a Fourier Device to confirm the radiative properties of CO2? Is he really calling them all liars? Wow. Just wow.
John T. Houghton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Heissonear]

In doing the math it appears there is a 1 in 27,000,000 chance that a climate Alarmist will tell the truth.

Go figure.

Overcoming blindness requires opening the door They Closed to allow the light of unbiased understanding in.

It doesn't take much light to expose the CAGW Scam.

 

[eclipsenow]

In doing the math it appears there is a 1 in 27,000,000 chance that a climate Alarmist will tell the truth.

Go figure.

Overcoming blindness requires opening the door They Closed to allow the light of unbiased understanding in.

It doesn't take much light to expose the CAGW Scam.

Then stop dancing around with strawmen and character attacks and expose it! Show us where they are wrong! You haven't got a shred of evidence that the planet is not warming, or that CO2 does not trap heat as advertised.

90 seconds in: SEE WHAT CO2 DOES!

Dude, unfortunately for you the laws of physics are demonstrable and repeatable


This Year’s Model | Climate Denial Crock of the Week

 

[RealityCheck01]

It is well known that earth's oceans control the earths atmospheric heat over time.

That is correct, Heissonear. The measurement that 90% of the Sun's energy is absorbed by the oceans and that the heat content of the oceans has been increasing is one argument against the climate change denier myth of "global temperatures have stopped rising since year X (often 1998)".
What has global warming done since 1998?

The planet has continued to accumulate heat since 1998 - global warming is still happening. Nevertheless, surface temperatures show much internal variability due to heat exchange between the ocean and atmosphere. 1998 was an unusually hot year due to a strong El Nino.

Also see Does the global warming 'pause' mean what you think it means?

The title of this thread is just wrong ! Today only the most rabid or paranoid of the global warning deniers deny that global warming exists. There are multiple lines of evidence for global warming from the measured temperatures to biological changes:Evidence for global warming

There are many lines of independent empirical evidence for global warming, from accelerated ice loss from the Arctic to Antarctica to the poleward migration of plants and animal species across the globe.

ETA: Read another global warming thread that you started and that seems just a lot of ignorance about climate science. For example
* You do not know that Mann
s Hockey Stick graph has been verified several times: What evidence is there for the hockey stick?

Since the hockey stick paper in 1998, there have been a number of proxy studies analysing a variety of different sources including corals, stalagmites, tree rings, boreholes and ice cores. They all confirm the original hockey stick conclusion: the 20th century is the warmest in the last 1000 years and that warming was most dramatic after 1920.

* You seem to think that a calculation of a global temperature for the globe in a year should not be one number
* There is an irrelevant rant about global temperature anomalies being quoted with decimal places.
This is basic science. Calculated values are quoted to the last significant digit in the error. So if you calculate a value of 1.2345678 with an error of 0.1, the quoted value is 1.2 +/- 0.1 (or leave out the error for an implicit value).

 

[Heissonear]

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Twisting science to project that the earth is now Catastrophically warming due to CO2 is Alarmism.

What is being promoted by this "GHG isolation science" from Alarmists?


1. activist climate scientists and agenda-driven politicians who fund climate science have tainted all related fields with unjustifiable certainty of a future filled with pain and suffering


2. to manufacture those predictions of gloom and doom, the sole focus of climate science has been and continues to be on human-induced, not naturally occurring, global warming and climate change

3. the climate science community will come no closer to understanding the natural contributions to global warming and climate change until there is a total change of mindset

4. it will take decades of that completely new mindset to overcome the present groupthink

Hiding behind science are Activists and Alarmists. They have soiled science. Through groupthink they are on the CAGW Bandwagon. What they actually present is Doom & Gloom.

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[Loudmouth]

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Twisting science to project that the earth is now Catastrophically warming due to CO2 is Alarmism.

You don't even understand how the science is done, so how would you know that it is being twisted?

 

[hurste1951]

2. to manufacture those predictions of gloom and doom, the sole focus of climate science has been and continues to be on human-induced, not naturally occurring, global warming and climate change

You have repeatedly been shown how much in error you are on this point. Go back to the first IPCC report back in '90. You'll see that natural factors have also been figured into every single one of the IPCC reports from the very beginning.

LOOK HERE at Page 47, or Figure 2.6, Page 66 as just two examples

Let's go back EVEN FURTHER! Hansen et al 1981, FIG 2 shows several natural forcings discussed! (HERE)

Please stop misrepresenting the science. LEARN IT.

 

[hurste1951]

In case anyone is DUPED into thinking scientists have NOT paid attention to NATURAL forcings please read this The evolution of radiative forcing bar-charts HERE

LEARN FOR YOURSELVES THE THINGS THE SCIENTISTS ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT

 

[eclipsenow]

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Twisting science to project that the earth is now Catastrophically warming due to CO2 is Alarmism.

What is being promoted by this "GHG isolation science" from Alarmists?

1. activist climate scientists and agenda-driven politicians who fund climate science have tainted all related fields with unjustifiable certainty of a future filled with pain and suffering

2. to manufacture those predictions of gloom and doom, the sole focus of climate science has been and continues to be on human-induced, not naturally occurring, global warming and climate change

3. the climate science community will come no closer to understanding the natural contributions to global warming and climate change until there is a total change of mindset

4. it will take decades of that completely new mindset to overcome the present groupthink

Hiding behind science are Activists and Alarmists. They have soiled science. Through groupthink they are on the CAGW Bandwagon. What they actually present is Doom & Gloom.

Dude, I want to be BORED by climate science, I really do! I want it to be that boring thing we solved in the 2020's and is so ho hum. I want it to be like Smallpox, or lead poisoning from petrol, or the CFC-hole in the Ozone layer which is slowly repairing itself. I want it to belong to the history of scary things that we solved so we could move on to the next thing. I want that for my kids. We can solve this, easily.

There are fantastic new nuclear reactors that burn nuclear waste, and could turn a 100,000 year nuclear-waste storage problem into 1000 years of clean energy for America! Once we stop burning coal, we'll not only stop cooking the planet, but will limit the carcinogenic particles in the air. Your national health bill will decrease by 10% which is almost equal to your electricity bill! (In other words, coal companies are not only getting away with murder, but their electricity is not as 'cheap' as some people think! It's about double the cost because of the additional health bill!)

But we're not solving it fast enough because unthinking conspiracy theorists like yourself keep gathering around scary internet chat-rooms where you all tell Big Brother stories to each other. Sorry. There's no big brother in this. Just science.

Once again, I DARE YOU to watch this! 90 seconds in, and it only goes for a few minutes. Watch the candle. Do not be afraid of the light! You'll SEE what CO2 can do!
This Year’s Model | Climate Denial Crock of the Week

 

[Heissonear]

Classic Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming Alarmism .

Global Warming is now so serious I am convinced that we will have to use SPICE** to save civilisation. Our grandchildren may be forced to paint the skies white! Blue skies may not be permitted for many centuries to come! Clean energy has been too little too late. We have failed. Our grandchildren will curse us for ignorant fools.

 

[Heissonear]

Let's save civilisation from something that has not been observed.

 

[Heissonear]

Embedded in most of the CAGW is Environmentalism

One of the things that can be observed is the speed with which the revolutionary theory that a rise in CO2 levels presents "catastrophic consequences for the earth", along with the theory being declared “settled science.”

Where is the scientific method in all of this? Where is the logic? Where is the evidence? Where is the openess? Where are the positives, the balance from being all negative? Why a Catastrophic theory that is settled?

It seems the CAGW proponents have become cult-like. People who are no longer open minded to review the science and separating the natural factors, which for eons have controlled earth's climate, recognized separately from obvious observable dominance of radiational CO2 GHG effect.

This period in time may will go down as a very dark period in the history of science, when many scientists turned into advocates and believed the ends justified the means. A period when Politics and Environmentalism polluted the scientific method within Climate Science.

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[hurste1951]

Embedded in most of the CAGW is Environmentalism

And that's "bad" right? Taking care of the environment is silly?

One of the things that can be observed is the speed with which the revolutionary theory that a rise in CO2 levels presents "catastrophic consequences for the earth", along with the theory being declared “settled science.”

Ummm, IN CASE ANYONE BELIEVES STUFF THAT HEISSONEAR STATES, here's the facts:

1820: Joseph Fourier figures out that some gases in the atmosphere may trap and absorb heat.

1859: John Tyndall identifies various of these heat absorbing gases (greenhouse gases) including CO2.

1898: when Svante Arrhenius first proposed the idea of global warming due to massive increases in atmospheric CO2 from industrial activity

first half of the 20th century: investigations into the radiation balance and some skepticism of the hypothesis

1938: G.S. Callendar works to check temperature measurements from the 19th century and check the hypothesis. Estimated a climate sensitivity due to CO2 of 2 degrees C

1950's-1960's The scientists including work by Roger Revelle et al start to affirm that this is something worth looking into. Roger Revelle takes a leading role in alerting the public and politicians.

Of course the rest is history. So I guess if one thinks that almost 1 century of work is "speedy" then...

Where is the scientific method in all of this?

DON'T LISTEN TO HEISSONEAR: THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD HAS BEEN WITH THIS ALL ALONG.

Where is the logic?

IT IS THE LOGIC OF THE FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. YOU CAN'T JUST MAGICALLY "DISAPPEAR" EXCESS ENERGY.

Where is the evidence?

It's been there all along since 1859.

Where is the openess?

LOL! Heissonear doesn't even understand how this science works so no doubt he doesn't have a clue that much of this science and this data has been freely available for decades. In the age of the internet you could download most of this data for a LONG TIME. Free. Any yahoo could.

Heisonnear didn't even know about "temperature anomalies" so how likely is it that he would know where the data was or what to do with it???

People who are no longer open minded to review the science and separating the natural factors

DO NOT BE DUPED BY HEISSONEAR. NATURAL FACTORS HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED FOR A LONG TIME IN CLIMATE SCIENCE. GO BACK TO THE FIRST IPCC REPORTS AND YOU'LL FIND THEM THERE.

HEISSONEAR IS SCARED OF EARTH SCIENTISTS. NOTE THAT HE WON'T RESPOND TO MOST POINTS WE MAKE.

THAT IS BECAUSE HEISSONEAR KNOWS HE WILL BE (as he has been so far) SHOWN TO BE OUT OF HIS DEPTH.

DO NOT BE DUPED BY THIS MAN. HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF.

That is why he won't converse with those of us, like me, who have PhD's in earth science.

That is all you need to know. He's scared. He wants to dupe YOU. He knows he can't dupe people like me.

 

[Heissonear]

Scams are easy to see if one looks.

Politically bias and cult-ish CAGW followers are those that twist every weather event into proof of global warming.

It can be objectively noticed CAGW promoters have created a hypothesis that is impossible to falsify. Go figure. If there were no blizzards it would be proof of global warming. But there are blizzards. No problem, that too is proof of global waiting.

The day has come where only Goldilocks can disprove global warming: all weather has to be neither too frequent nor too infrequent but “just right”, neither too hot nor too cold but “just right”, neither too dry nor too wet but “just right”.

The fundamental reason is since the beginning CAGW bias climate scientists have never framed and then subtracted the natural factors controlling weather events from said +150 ppm atmospheric CO2 induced climatic events.

It is always presented as "because of additional CO2 in the atmosphere".

Lame. It is just the opposite: it is natural factors controllIng weather and climate until clearly, by application if the scientific method, it is shown otherwise.

Nature's works are first and man's influence second, in problem solving, suspecting, or when observing weather events. Otherwise you are only promoting propaganda.

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