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Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing—just enough to make the point.
“No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
“Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
“His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
“His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
“Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
“On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
Leviathan is a “reptile that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)
Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon).

Now the bible says in Revelation that one of these things, a DRAGON comes up out of the sea...I think it's possible that mankind, seeking immortality and godhood, will splice together something and it will be a "beast" that can communicate, talk, etc like a man.

The number of the beast is the number of a man- 666
 
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Why do you keep mentioning the mark of the beast????

The mark of the beast is not mentioned in Revelation 9 - at all, anywhere!

The devil has just been empowered in the 5th trumpet of the 7th seal and he releases these hybrid creatures upon mankind.

There's no Mark of the beast mentioned in Rev 9, at all.

Oops. You are right.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

I automatically referred to those not having the seal of God in their foreheads as meaning those with the mark of the beast, but that is a wrong assumption to make.

Whether you like it or not, Enoch is Scripture and it's quoted word for word in your Bible. Notice the quotation marks:

Jude 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[e]

It was never removed from Scripture in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, like it was in the West:

The Bible: Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testament

It is plagiarism. That is all. I had already given you proof as to why it is not scripture when that which is not copied from other Bibles in the books of Enoch are lies that goes against the accepted scripture in the Bible.

Scripture cannot go against scripture. That would be breaking scripture.

Since I have addressed your points and I was willing to admit my oversight and yet you fail to address the points I have made, it is probably best for me to withdraw from this fruitless topic. I do not care to argue.

I love you in Christ, sister, and so I'll be praying for you.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
 
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Everyone is forgetting the most nefarious demon-led genetic experiment of all, the platypus.

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The duck bill, the fuzzy fur, the claws--and the poisonous ankle spike!

Destroy them all!

Now look at this next abomination!

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Is it a cat?! A dog?! A mouse?! I JUST CAN'T TELL! It's hideous! Evil! Clearly a DNA mistake created by Satan himself in his laboratory in hell!

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing—just enough to make the point.
“No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
“Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
“His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
“His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
“Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
“On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
Leviathan is a “reptile that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)
Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon).

Now the bible says in Revelation that one of these things, a DRAGON comes up out of the sea...I think it's possible that mankind, seeking immortality and godhood, will splice together something and it will be a "beast" that can communicate, talk, etc like a man.

The number of the beast is the number of a man- 666

It's the only logical conclusion. Sort of like when I look at mysterious structures like the following I logically conclude that aliens built it.

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There's really no other explanation. Aliens. Had to have been aliens. You can tell by the precision of the marble that they had to use high powered tachyon laser technology.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It's a tiny bunny. If you can't tell that this is not a dog, than it's easy to see why understanding the bible is so difficult for you. And cats usually have smaller, pointy ears and a long tail!

Here is the statue of liberty side by side with a roman goddess
Lady Liberty modeled after a Pagan Goddess of liberty

Why do you think that is? Could it be....deliberate?
 
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It's a tiny bunny. If you can't tell that this is not a dog, than it's easy to see why understanding the bible is so difficult for you. And cats usually have smaller, pointy ears and a long tail!

Here is the statue of liberty side by side with a roman goddess
Lady Liberty modeled after a Pagan Goddess of liberty

Why do you think that is? Could it be....deliberate?

Oh, definitely deliberate. Just like Satan inventing this "bunny" you mention. Clearly a demonic catmousedog. Also evil demon illuminati aliens are the ones who built the Statue of Liberty, they used their demon laser beam DNA magic.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Oops. You are right.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

I automatically referred to those not having the seal of God in their foreheads as meaning those with the mark of the beast, but that is a wrong assumption to make.

It's ok. It just got really confusing when you kept mentioning the mark of the beast.


It is plagiarism. That is all.
Woah, what? The book of Jude is Plagiarism?

LOL!

No. Jude quoted Enoch which is still considered Scripture in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canon.

In other words, Jude knew Enoch was Scripture and quoted it. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church have it in their canon.
 
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man made photoshop! Not satan.

What about the platypus? Is that Satan or man made photoshop?

Or, perhaps, just a naturally occurring animal.

Just like dinosaurs.

Perhaps also, Behemoth and Leviathan aren't genetic monstrosities, but creatures of legend from within the context of the culture of the ancient Near East.

Perhaps the beasts of the Apocalypse are symbolic representations, just like the four horsemen, or the armored locusts. Not literal monsters, but symbols and visions.

Perhaps the nephilim aren't ange-human hybrids and that DNA splicing isn't some demonic magical science. Perhaps people in this thread have a hyperactive imagination and instead of treating Holy Scripture with the proper respect and care to rightly exegete the text, instead its being shredded into science fiction nonsense in order to cater to the most insane, inane, and mind-boggling stupid ideas conceivable.

But then I'd be speaking rationally, and since critical thinking and sober-mindedness is anathema among the more frantic and sensationalist posters in the Eschatology board, I'll no doubt simply be accused of denying the "plain teaching of the Bible".

Here, everything goes--unless it's a reasoned biblical hermeneutic and exegesis. No, what goes here is stuff like Obama being the Antichrist, or Demons having degrees in genetics. Any reasoned, intelligent, honest approach to Christian eschatology and the relevant biblical texts is shrugged off as having a lack of faith.

So I opted instead to demonstrate just how absurd all of this was. I mean, after all, it's only a matter of time before photo manipulated pictures of giant skeletons will be displayed. I'll even help along:

giant-skeleton3.jpg


Oh look, a giant skeleton. There's a picture of it, so it has to be real. Just like those photoshop animal hybrid pictures have to be real. Right?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It's ok. It just got really confusing when you kept mentioning the mark of the beast.


Woah, what? The book of Jude is Plagiarism?

LOL!

No. Jude quoted Enoch which is still considered Scripture in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canon.

In other words, Jude knew Enoch was Scripture and quoted it. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church have it in their canon.

Do you accept 1 Clement as Scripture? It has a better pedigree than Enoch, being found in ancient biblical codices and mentioned as Scripture by early Christians--and it's also found in the Ethiopian Canon.

How about Jubilees? Or how about the Deuterocanonical books--Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees? How about the Didascalia (an expansion on the older text of the Didache)? Also in the Ethiopian Canon and regarded as Scripture by some in antiquity.

Or is Enoch just special?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Do you accept 1 Clement as Scripture? It has a better pedigree than Enoch, being found in ancient biblical codices and mentioned as Scripture by early Christians--and it's also found in the Ethiopian Canon.

How about Jubilees? Or how about the Deuterocanonical books--Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees? How about the Didascalia (an expansion on the older text of the Didache)? Also in the Ethiopian Canon and regarded as Scripture by some in antiquity.

Or is Enoch just special?

-CryptoLutheran

Jude quoted it.
 
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Jude quoted it.

Jude also references the Testament of Moses, the author of the epistle to the Hebrews refers to the Martyrdom of Isaiah.

Also, that still doesn't address why you accept Enoch but not 1 Clement or the Deuterocanonical books such as Tobit, Judith, or the books of the Maccabees. Is it just because Jude references it?

Perhaps 1 Clement is also Scripture. Perhaps Jude isn't Scripture at all. How would you know? Do you trust that God has providentially kept the right books for us? But then, again, you believe there was a mistake since Enoch isn't in any Bible outside of the Ethiopian Tawahedo Church. If there was that one mistake, perhaps there could be many more--like perhaps Jude shouldn't be in the Bible, but Clement is.

And, of course, until five hundred years ago the Deuterocanonicals were found in the Bible. Indeed, Luther only moved them to their own appendix, it was only later on that Bible publishers began to print Bibles without those books at all. Is that acceptable? Yes or no?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Jude also references the Testament of Moses, the author of the epistle to the Hebrews refers to the Martyrdom of Isaiah.

Also, that still doesn't address why you accept Enoch but not 1 Clement or the Deuterocanonical books such as Tobit, Judith, or the books of the Maccabees. Is it just because Jude references it?

Perhaps 1 Clement is also Scripture. Perhaps Jude isn't Scripture at all. How would you know? Do you trust that God has providentially kept the right books for us? But then, again, you believe there was a mistake since Enoch isn't in any Bible outside of the Ethiopian Tawahedo Church. If there was that one mistake, perhaps there could be many more--like perhaps Jude shouldn't be in the Bible, but Clement is.

And, of course, until five hundred years ago the Deuterocanonicals were found in the Bible. Indeed, Luther only moved them to their own appendix, it was only later on that Bible publishers began to print Bibles without those books at all. Is that acceptable? Yes or no?

-CryptoLutheran

I would like to read anything that Jesus and his disciples knew about.

I guess that would be anything that is found in the caves at Qumran - among them, Enoch.
 
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Well, you got that wrong. You're still my friend though. The bible focuses on the will of God.
That would be obvious...but what is the will of God, but the redemtion of His creation Dougg? Romans 8...

From Genesis, prove that there was not a formless mass already existing before God formed this present earth with it's mountains, oceans, river, valleys, plaines.
That would be the point though Doug. Since God doesn't tell you any more than that...He's given you what He wants you to know of THIS creation. This is the one He focuses on throughout the scriptures.

irrelavent.
Actually, you think it's irrelevant...but this is a question that many have that are searching to know of God...so it's not as irrelevant as you think.

Yes, but there is some mystery surrounding their existance as far as when and what happened to them and why. Who destroyed the dinosaur world, if not God?

:notlistening:



How do you know God didn't take time to name every species - if the very hairs on your head are numbered according to the bible? ??? ???? ????


Doug
Because first, he allows Adam to do that...and second, if Adam had that type of hyper-intelligence as compared to ours He lost a LOT when he sinned against God...so no...I'm not stopping my ears Doug...I'm listening to what could have been.

Lastly...if you understand bible hyperbole "the very hairs of your hairs being numbered" is intended to communicate the great detail to which God is concerned with us individually.

Thank you very much...:thumbsup:
 
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Going back to the highly advanced civilizations before the Flood, beings descended upon the Earth from the Fourth Dimension to have sexual relations with human women, which produced the hybrid race of the Nephilim. Human beings, who originally inhabited planet Earth as it was intended, were immortal and lived in Paradise. They were created from the substance of the Earth based on original-source programming which was imbedded in their DNA by the Infinite Personal Living God the Universe.

However, the first man and woman chose to shatter their perfect world. Then they allowed their DNA code to be deconstructed by Fourth Dimensional energies and began to experience a brand new reality… death. Additionally, they opened a portal into the Fourth Dimension which allowed the sons of God to enter the physical world. These sons of God, the B’nai Elohim, began mating with human women and producing a race of god men called the Nephilim. This interbreeding re-programmed the DNA code of Mankind and a kind of DNA War began.

The cosmic war between God and Lucifer that started in the Fourth Dimension was now being fought on Earth. The Flood of Noah was a pre-emptive strike by God to destroy the reprogrammed DNA code. But the sons of God returned to the Earth and the sexual relations with human women began again, bringing the return of the Nephilim, who currently walk among us, and the DNA war continues.

The Transhumanist movement is actively using human, Nephilim, and animal genes to produce a race of god men. This is what the Nazi scientists were doing in their laboratories as they combined genetic science with the intelligence and energy that they were transferring from the Fourth Dimension through the Vril force.

This “Great DNA War” is part of the greater war between Lucifer and God. Lucifer is attempting to create the New Man. God has created new men and women through the supernatural power of Christ. These men and women are regenerated, not by a Vril force, but the Spirit of God.

As these men and women are regenerated by the Spirit of God they are transformed into new creations. As such they will be resurrected from the dead and moved into the dimension where Heaven exists. In Heaven they will be given glorified and perfect bodies, along with a vast array of supernatural powers. They will not be passive creatures, because they will reign with Christ forever in the Kingdom of God.
(I took this from an article by Paul McGuire, because he explains it so well)
 
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Jude also references the Testament of Moses, the author of the epistle to the Hebrews refers to the Martyrdom of Isaiah.

Also, that still doesn't address why you accept Enoch but not 1 Clement or the Deuterocanonical books such as Tobit, Judith, or the books of the Maccabees. Is it just because Jude references it?

Perhaps 1 Clement is also Scripture. Perhaps Jude isn't Scripture at all. How would you know? Do you trust that God has providentially kept the right books for us? But then, again, you believe there was a mistake since Enoch isn't in any Bible outside of the Ethiopian Tawahedo Church. If there was that one mistake, perhaps there could be many more--like perhaps Jude shouldn't be in the Bible, but Clement is.

And, of course, until five hundred years ago the Deuterocanonicals were found in the Bible. Indeed, Luther only moved them to their own appendix, it was only later on that Bible publishers began to print Bibles without those books at all. Is that acceptable? Yes or no?

-CryptoLutheran
Your history of canon in Christian Churches is lacking in knowledge a bit.
You seem to not be aware that the Ethiopian Coptic Church canon includes Enoch, and make much out of the separated branch of it which separated late in the last century, taking the same canon lists with them.
The fact is that the Coptic Church of Ethiopia has not said they have all there is, and their lists include history books and opinion commentaries, and Enoch.

And the Deuterocanonicals were banned to be read in the Churches yearly readings only late in the 19th century, by the Archbishop of Canterbury -I think it was 1885?: only after he pronounced a curse on the churches under him for reading them in church did the printers in England begin leaving them out of the printed Bibles.
But the Archbishop of Canterbury of 1611 pronounced a curse on any churches under him that did not read them in church for their yearly reading programs. They were in the Geneva Bible and the King James 1611 Bible.
So it is all politics of power, after all, and not the Holy Spirit's revelations, and "to every [Christian] Church a canon".
 
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The Book of Enoch is an ancient Jewish religious work, traditionally ascribed to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah. It is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel.The older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) are estimated to date from about 300 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BC. So there is no way that one person could have written what we now call the book of Enoch.
What we now have came from Aramaic fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls and a few Greek and Latin fragments.

So it was rightfully rejected in the canon of Scripture due to authorship and language inconsistencies. The other apocryphal books were rejected also, for various reasons such as some included Jewish fiction, and there were doubts as to their authenticity. Paul warns:
Titus 1:13-14 "Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth."
 
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