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I think "men of renown" means those "men" who were somehow able to build things human beings cannot build on their own, such as Easter Island, Stonehenge etc etc, all over the world, that even with all our cranes etc, cannot be duplicated by mere men today. Many of these are lined up with the sun and stars. Could you make one today?

Somehow, these monoliths were made using advanced (beyond what humans could have known back then) mathematical measurements, and show a knowledge of "the heavens" that mankind, without the hubble telescope, could not possibly have known about, such as a 9 planet solar system, and many more things.

Every ancient culture also has statues and other depictions of extremely large men. The children born to these daughters of men were "men of old".
 
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Read the results of that union: "mighty men" and "men of renown" means mankind.



Ask the Lord Jesus Christ why in the two presentations of the Son of God to the Lord that Job was singled out to Satan BOTH times and maybe you will see that it was because Job was one of the sons of God.



Leaving God's abode of Heaven was their first estate which is the stated reason why those angels were reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day; not because of mingling with mankind.



When children are a heritage from the Lord, and scripture cannot be broken, then we can know that fallen angels do not have a chance to change God's word into having the fruit of the womb from the devil.

Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

John 10:35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Note how Jesus referred to those as called gods were referencing men.



That does not mean that they also have the ability to reproduce in defying God's word in how kinds were to reproduce after their own kind.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

And we know that angels are not marrying nor given in marriage which means God would not join any of them, angels nor fallen angels in marriage with daughters of men for these women to be called "wives" to them in the Bible.

Are men marrying men and women marrying women, married in the eyes of God for them to be called husbands and wives to each other in His word? No. They are not. It would be called an abomination.

Then why believe God would call a union between an angel, let along a fallen angel to a woman for her to be called a wife to it in His word?

Answer: He would not. Therefore the sons of God are of the lineage of Seth.

Excellent Post, You said it all :thumbsup:

I will now escape from this nonsense, a waste of time on the keyboard!

Or perhaps I could start a new thread, mermaids Gods fallen angels, rulers of the sea? :confused:

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!:bow:

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Genesis 6:12 "And God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for ALL FLESH (animals have flesh, my dog, under his fur has flesh, when you eat a steak you are eating flesh, ew) had corrupted his way (Jesus "way" or lineage) upon the earth.

And God said to Noah, The end of ALL FLESH is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence (nephilim are violent, with two rows of teeth and murdeous and strong) THROUGH THEM (nephilim); and behold I will destroy THEM (nephilim, not angels, the hybrids, angels don't die in floods) through the earth"

Make thee an ark.... Why was Noah chosen, he was a known drunk, he was a sinner like the rest of us. The answer lies in Genesis 6:9 "Noah was a just man, and PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS". Generate, GENES!!! DNA. Period.
 
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So being held in reserve under chains of darkness = running loose? Maybe so, and you're allowed to understand it that way. I don't see a convincing reason to think so though.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Think of it as a judgment in progress. The everlasting fire was prepared for the devil and his angels, but that judgment is reserved to be given at that great day of judgment to be punished at that time.

Jude 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2 Peter 2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

There are two other examples of a judgment that has been given but is in reservation unto a specific day to be punished.

2 Peter 2:9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

2 Peter 3:7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

So do consider that as a guideline for discernment with His help in understanding His words.
 
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I think what you have is Cain's line in Genesis 4:17-24...and line of the sons of God in the genealogy of Genesis 5 with Seth.

In Genesis 6 these two lines inter-rmarry and evil prevails.

It cannot be proven from scripture, that angels can have sex with humans. Anyone going with that conclusion is hard pressed for evidence because the scripture just don't state that. They imply from Genesis 6:1-4...taking "the sons of God" there, in light of Job where the context clearly shows the "sons of God" are angels. That is used to make the point that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 are angels.

What stopped angels from having sex with humans *if* they ever could??? These are the problems you have with that. There is no where in scripture indicating that angels can have sex...even the fallen angels.

Angels having sex with humans is fantasy. If it could happen why would God not warn His people not to do it? He never does.

I think you have to hold that we produce "after our kind" and angels are not "our kind" they are not human. Where in scripture do you find Satan appearing as a human? He and his emissaries possess the body of humans but that's all they do. Satan cannot even appear as human, he has to possess a human to manifest himself.

It's not biblical in my view...and I hold it to be erroneous teaching...but this has been going on for some time...and it will continue...
 
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Also, animal-human hybrids show up in art all over the place. Why did so many diverse cultures get the same idea?

A wicked imagination. Look at Norse mythology and the Greek mythology.

If a horse mingled with a cow, nothing will come forth. Kinds can only reproduce after their own kind.

The same will occur when mankind try to reproduce outside of mankind. Nothing will happen, because children are a heritage from the Lord; and not from the devil.
 
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A wicked imagination. Look at Norse mythology and the Greek mythology.

If a horse mingled with a cow, nothing will come forth. Kinds can only reproduce after their own kind.

The same will occur when mankind try to reproduce outside of mankind. Nothing will happen, because children are a heritage from the Lord; and not from the devil.

It happened before. It will happen again, as prophecied:

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

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Someone has erroneously said that the idea of fallen angels being the sons of God is how the serpent seed theory was arrived at, but actually that's false and the opposite is true. If Adam's lineage = "sons of God" then some other lineage we aren't told about could very well equal said serpent seed, which is exactly how that false doctrine originated.

The serpent seed heresy says that Satan, in the form of the serpent, impregnated Eve and she gave birth to Cain. Thus a fallen angel impregnating a woman is the serpent seed doctrine.

What the ancients thought was that "sons of God" represented the line of Seth, and "sons of man" represented the line of Cain. In both cases they were Adam's offspring.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Excellent Post, You said it all :thumbsup:

I will now escape from this nonsense, a waste of time on the keyboard!

Or perhaps I could start a new thread, mermaids Gods fallen angels, rulers of the sea? :confused:

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!:bow:

Truth7t7 over and out!
Mermaids are sirens. Sirens are disembodied female offspring of the nephillim. The first depiction of them was as part stork, part female like a human.
Later, they were depicted as mermaids, part fish and part human.
In Zechariah 5:14, two sirens -female spirits of the disembodied nephillim- are seen by Zechariah as women/ishyah with wings like storks.
Enoch 15 states that the disembodied spirit females of the nephillim are to be sirens in the earth [until Jesus comes and has them all gathered up and cast into the Lake of Fire where they will be tormented forever.
Sirens are sexual seducers and as I said, they were depicted as stork/women, and also as fish/women.
 
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The serpent seed heresy says that Satan, in the form of the serpent, impregnated Eve and she gave birth to Cain. Thus a fallen angel impregnating a woman is the serpent seed doctrine.

What the ancients thought was that "sons of God" represented the line of Seth, and "sons of man" represented the line of Cain. In both cases they were Adam's offspring.

-CryptoLutheran
Not so ancient as you think.
Moses already wrote that ben Elohym took/laqach/married fetched bath Adam, in Genesis 6.
Ben Elohym laqach bath Adam.
The Word of God is clear, and plain.
"sons God took daughters Adam"
 
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It happened before. It will happen again, as prophecied:

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

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Revelation 9:1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

These locusts came from the pit: not from fallen angels mingling with women.

If one were to interpret the symbolism, I would venture to say the locusts is the aftermath of an asteroid or a meteor hitting the earth, and the atmospheric changes is the locusts that will torment those with the mark.

If solar flares and solar storms can interfere with electronic equipments, then I can only imagine what that would do to an electrical bio chip that is serving as the mark for people to buy & sell by when the atmosphere of the planet has been radically changed after an asteroid or a meteor has stricken the planet.

You reference in the quote as far as symbolism is concern, I would venture to say that it is meaning that this is one evil that no one can fight against. By itself, it reads like a symbolism for jets, but in context from the very beginning, it has to be a punishment that no one with the mark of the beast can escape.

That is my view on it, and the Lord has led me to understand it in that way. If not, He will correct me as I trust Him to be my Good Shepherd.
 
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Revelation 9:1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

These locusts came from the pit: not from fallen angels mingling with women.

If one were to interpret the symbolism, I would venture to say the locusts is the aftermath of an asteroid or a meteor hitting the earth, and the atmospheric changes is the locusts that will torment those with the mark.

If solar flares and solar storms can interfere with electronic equipments, then I can only imagine what that would do to an electrical bio chip that is serving as the mark for people to buy & sell by when the atmosphere of the planet has been radically changed after an asteroid or a meteor has stricken the planet.

You reference in the quote as far as symbolism is concern, I would venture to say that it is meaning that this is one evil that no one can fight against. By itself, it reads like a symbolism for jets, but in context from the very beginning, it has to be a punishment that no one with the mark of the beast can escape.

That is my view on it, and the Lord has led me to understand it in that way. If not, He will correct me as I trust Him to be my Good Shepherd.

They have to created somewhere, by someone - and they're not OF God. Obviously people in 3000BC and 700's BC knew about them.

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"The motif of a winged animal with a human head is common to the Near East, first recorded in Ebla, around 3000 BCE."

"3000BCE" is before the flood.


Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
 
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They have to created somewhere, by someone - and they're not OF God. Obviously people in 3000BC and 700's BC knew about them.

"The motif of a winged animal with a human head is common to the Near East, first recorded in Ebla, around 3000 BCE."

"3000BCE" is before the flood.

Why not take pause and ask Jesus about it, because it is inconsistent within the context from the beginning of the chapter for what they are to be doing to those with the mark of the beast.

Especially when if the symbolism is literal, then how could they not die from their attack, but yet they would be begging for death and not get it?

Don't let extrabiblical sources guide you into how to read views into the Bible. Ask your Good Shepherd about it.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
 
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Mixing DNA is happening all over the world today, it can be done and will continue to be done until the end. The evil angels are probably in the pit now, and will be released by Satan and people will have heart attacks just looking at them!

I don't think angels are only 100% "good" or 100% "bad", like humans, there were some who rebelled against God, and went even further than that by mingling with God's creation, interfering with human and animal DNA, which is what angels, and everything else are made by, it's the "code" of all life.

One More Time:
Genesis 6: 12-14 "And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted HIS WAY (way= path or road, or method leading to a particular destination, the incarnation) upon the earth. And God said "Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them;and behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

Noah was "perfect in his generations". Generate= to propel forward, genes being propelled forward in mans bloodline leading up to Jesus' incarnation HAD TO BE PERFECT, and at that time, all flesh was corrupted.
 
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Why not take pause and ask Jesus about it, because it is inconsistent within the context from the beginning of the chapter for what they are to be doing to those with the mark of the beast.

Especially when if the symbolism is literal, then how could they not die from their attack, but yet they would be begging for death and not get it?

Don't let extrabiblical sources guide you into how to read views into the Bible. Ask your Good Shepherd about it.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

I already have and YOU are the one who is confused.

They are allowed to hurt people who DO NOT HAVE the seal OF GOD on them. The people with the seal of God are the same as in Rev 7. The mark of the beast isn't even mentioned in Revelation 9!

This statue shows EXACTLY what is found in Rev 9. The statue was created in the 700's BC and images of creatures like that have been found since before the flood - 3000BC!

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"The motif of a winged animal with a human head is common to the Near East, first recorded in Ebla, around 3000 BCE."

"3000BCE" is before the flood.
 
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They are allowed to hurt people who DO NOT HAVE the seal OF GOD on them. The people with the seal of God are the same as in Rev 7. The mark of the beast isn't even mentioned in Revelation 9!

This statue shows EXACTLY what is found in Rev 9. The statue was created in the 700's BC and images of creatures like that have been found since before the flood - 3000BC!

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A "locust" like that with all of the power, but they only hurt the ones with the mark of the beast and not kill them? And somehow, those with the mark of the beast will want to die, and may even attempt suicide, but will not be able to kill themselves as death will not come to them?

I see that as reading fables into the symbolism of the scripture.

BTW: The Books of Enoch are not scripture. It is a lie concocted from the books in the accepted Bible to give it its merit, while there are lies within the books of Enoch that are going against scripture.

In one chapter, it is said that there was a place for the damned celestial bodies of creation that did not come out when God commanded it to.

That's saying God is a liar in His words below.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

So you either believe God in His Word in Isaiah 55:11 or you are taking a fabricated piece of work as being more truthful over the accepted Bible.

1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

John 10:35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

So don't take the tainted views from the Books of Enoch to read them into the scripture because those tainted views are lies.
 
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"locust" like that with all of the power, but they only hurt the ones with the mark of the beast and not kill them? And somehow, those with the mark of the beast will want to die, and may even attempt suicide, but will not be able to kill themselves as death will not come to them?

I see that as reading fables into the symbolism of the scripture.

Why do you keep mentioning the mark of the beast????

The mark of the beast is not mentioned in Revelation 9 - at all, anywhere!

The devil has just been empowered in the 5th trumpet of the 7th seal and he releases these hybrid creatures upon mankind.

There's no Mark of the beast mentioned in Rev 9, at all.


BTW: The Books of Enoch are not scripture. It is a lie concocted from the books in the accepted Bible to give it its merit, while there are lies within the books of Enoch that are going against scripture.

In one chapter, it is said that there was a place for the damned celestial bodies of creation that did not come out when God commanded it to.

That's saying God is a liar in His words below.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

So you either believe God in His Word in Isaiah 55:11 or you are taking a fabricated piece of work as being more truthful over the accepted Bible.

1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

John 10:35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

So don't take the tainted views from the Books of Enoch to read them into the scripture because those tainted views are lies.

Whether you like it or not, Enoch is Scripture and it's quoted word for word in your Bible. Notice the quotation marks:

Jude 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[e]

It was never removed from Scripture in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, like it was in the West:

The Bible: Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testament
 
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