Genesis 6 Giants

[deetwang]

LOL, good point there. No, fallen angels clearly disobeyed God, they can and have appeared as both men and women, taking on forms at will, impersonating people, appearing as beautiful angels of light to give false doctrines...
Look at the story of Lot. The WHOLE TOWN of men came to his door because they knew that angels were in there and they wanted to "know them carnally". They wanted power, which the believed they could get this way...as all ancient cultures have "god men" in their mythology. They all imagined the same thing? Don't think so. "strange" means "different". So homosexual sex would be "same". Strange flesh then MUST be "different than man's flesh".

Look at Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

 

[ebedmelech]

Adam was given that responsibility, and he did name them.
The Creator gave the name to Adam, both male and female named Adam, but to Adam he gave the job of naming them, and they all bear the names today that Adam gave them in the original language, with the Edenic root etymons still the foundation for every name of every "kind" that Adam was given dominion over, and named

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That's not what I'm referring to though. Adam was the pinnacle of the 6th day. I'm referring to the statement of creation of sea creatures and animals where it's descriptive and yet vague. Genesis 1:20-24:20 Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.”

21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”
23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so.
25 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

I should have said God "described" animals rather than "named them"...my bad there.

 

[Truth7t7]

Bingo!

Dinosaurs were created by the fallen angels who taught mankind things they weren't given authority to teach. They are a mixture of birds and reptiles- a hybrid, a "chimera". They were destroyed in the flood.

Today's "elite" seek that knowledge taught by the fallen angels. That's why the Freemasons and Skull & Bones, Alistair Crowley followers, Saul Alinsky-ites worship lucifer, Abaddon/appolyon. They believe they are superior because of the forbidden knowledge they think they've found.

Dinosaurs were created by fallen angels, thats a new one?

I think I read that in Aesops fables, or possibly the book of fairy tales from the land of nowhere?

I bet you did'nt know this but I'm half angel and human, look I have wings on my ears and I can fly?

"Big Smiles"!

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[deetwang]

DNA is God's creative method. Although angels are spiritual, they do have DNA, which can be manipulated, that's what they did to animals in the past. IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN, even here in America, which I compare to Babylon, which will be destroyed soon.

Consider the prophecy about Babylon after it's destruction:

Isaiah 13:19-22 19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in [their] pleasant palaces: and her time [is] near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

Do these doleful creatures exist? Or was Isaiah wrong??

 

[Bethwhite]

DNA is God's creative method. Although angels are spiritual, they do have DNA, which can be manipulated, that's what they did to animals in the past. IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN, even here in America, which I compare to Babylon, which will be destroyed soon.

Consider the prophecy about Babylon after it's destruction:

Isaiah 13:19-22 19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in [their] pleasant palaces: and her time [is] near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

Do these doleful creatures exist? Or was Isaiah wrong??

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Lamassu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Statue from 700's BC. First recorded was from 3000 BC - which is pre-flood.

 

[ebedmelech]

Dinosaurs were created by fallen angels, thats a new one?

I think I read that in Aesops fables, or possibly the book of fairy tales from the land of nowhere?

I bet you did'nt know this but I'm half angel and human, look I have wings on my ears and could fly?

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

Those are the conclusions you can come to when you give Satan more power than the scriptures do.

When we read Job we understand Satan cannot go beyond what God allows or he would have attacked Job long before he did.

To often Christians give Satan more power than he actually has.

We also see in scripture that angels are under God's charge. They appear by God's command and as many as God desires.

I would have love to have seen the heavenly host that appeared to the shepherds to announce the birth of Christ...that was a HUGE choir...
Luke 2:13, 14
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
14 “Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”

Jesus has charge now!!! Until He comes to earth again to ultimately and finally set things in order...then He will deliver the kingdom to God!

 

[deetwang]

He's in charge, but He still has to "set things in order." OK. Well if I were in charge right now, and I was God, I would set things in order ASAP when I got in charge!

5 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” So why are the loud voices in heaven not saying that NOW? Why are they waiting for the seventh trump to sound? Because it is not until AFTER that trump, that they say the Kingdoms of the World HAVE [NOW] BECOME the Kingdoms of our Lord!

I guess you think God is a puppeteer up there, controlling everything and not allowing us or angels to do anything wrong. Well He is not like that, the angels love and worship Him out of LOVE and AWE and RESPECT because they choose to, they could have chosen rebellion and stayed by choice. Like us, God does not want us to love him because he FORCES us to, but because we love Him, we WANT TO. That's what He wants!!
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." Why, because men freely chose disobedience, showing they didn't love him. Love = Willing Obedience as personified in Christ's prayer in Gethsemane "Not My will, but Thine be done".

 

[BluhdoftheLamb]

Read the results of that union: "mighty men" and "men of renown" means mankind.

Why did they have 6 toes and 6 fingers?

Leaving God's abode of Heaven was their first estate which is the stated reason why those angels were reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day; not because of mingling with mankind.

You have created a false dilemma; it is not either/or as you state. Leaving their first estate of heaven to become carnal in the manner under discussion would still be leaving their first estate. What we are left with is no Scriptural proof either way, which is why this can be debated.

Are men marrying men and women marrying women, married in the eyes of God for them to be called husbands and wives to each other in His word? No. They are not. It would be called an abomination.

Then why believe God would call a union between an angel, let along a fallen angel to a woman for her to be called a wife to it in His word?

Answer: He would not. Therefore the sons of God are of the lineage of Seth.

Again, faulty logic. If such angel-human interaction occurred, clearly it was abomination.

 

[Bethwhite]

If you want to know the absolute truth on the matter, you have to trust God.

What book was Jude quoting and referring to here:

Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

Jud 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones Jud 1:15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
Notice the quotation marks.

Now look:

Enoch 1:9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/ethold.stm
Click on that link and look at #6 on the list.

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch.htm

 

[Bethwhite]

The Book of Enoch

Enoch
[Chapter 6] 1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.
[Chapter 7]
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.


[Chapter 10]
1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire.


Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

 

[Tellastory]

So if the Sons of God are from the lineage of Adam...where did the sons of man come from?

Adam and Eve had other children.

Eve was named such by Adam because she was the mother of all the living.

Genesis 3:20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

So where did Cain get his wife? A relative.

Incest was not a sin until God said it was for the Israeliest to marry outside the immediate family but yet marry within the nation of Israel.

Abraham had married Sarah whom was his sister.

Genesis 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. 12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

So until Isreal had become a nation, incest was not a sin until then, which is highly indicative of how things were before the flood with the siblings of Adam & Eve.

 

[Zanting]

I assume no one took my question seriously, but I honestly would like to know. If the Sons of God are from the lineage of Adam, who are the Sons of Man? Where did they come from?

 

[BluhdoftheLamb]

I assume no one took my question seriously, but I honestly would like to know. If the Sons of God are from the lineage of Adam, who are the Sons of Man? Where did they come from?

Someone has erroneously said that the idea of fallen angels being the sons of God is how the serpent seed theory was arrived at, but actually that's false and the opposite is true. If Adam's lineage = "sons of God" then some other lineage we aren't told about could very well equal said serpent seed, which is exactly how that false doctrine originated.

OTOH said "sons of man" could also be just other people scripture doesn't tell us about. Some theistic evolutionists like the idea of man evolving naturally, but only Adam and Eve being given a soul by God, and this marked survival advantage being the difference here.

Bottom line is we really don't know any of these details. It does make for interesting speculation, but as others have said, it's kinda Jerry Springer-esque, too.

 

[Tellastory]

I don't know how to do that. Please inform me.
So you are saying that one third (that's what most biblical scholars believe) of the angels rebelled with Satan, and most of 'em clearly are still here and there, all over the place, but God "selected" just some of them to put in everlasting chains until the judgement without these "chained" ones doing anything "really horrible" to deserve that?

Of all the times that God has given judgment, has He ever left out what for? Therefore it was because they had left their first estate which was God's abode.

And being reserved in everlasting chains for the coming judgment of that great day means the judgment that is coming on them will not be broken or changed. They are to be damned.

Ok then, tell me what these selected few angels did that all the other innumerable angels that are still here, were here when Jesus cast 1,000 of 'em out of the demon possessed guy and into a bunch of pigs???

They also are reserved in everlasting chains for that coming judgment of that great day, but that does not mean they are prevented from doing anything evil, but then again, they can only do as Satan can by what God permits as He is Lord.

In your reference, the demons mentioned the torment of being sent away.

Mark 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

Jesus mentioned a parable to explain what that torment means.

Matthew 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

So it's not like they are in a prison being held for judgment day, but they are running loose, but the eternal judgment that will be given to them in that great day is reserved with everlasting chains as in it will not be broken. They are to be damned, and thus can never be redeemed.

 

[BluhdoftheLamb]

So it's not like they are in a prison being held for judgment day, but they are running loose

So being held in reserve under chains of darkness = running loose? Maybe so, and you're allowed to understand it that way. I don't see a convincing reason to think so though.

 

[Tellastory]

I assume no one took my question seriously, but I honestly would like to know. If the Sons of God are from the lineage of Adam, who are the Sons of Man? Where did they come from?

Seth replaced Abel. The godly lineage of Seth is where Israel's family tree is from in coming from Adam.

The rest of Adam's children are the sons of men from which you are referring to.

That means whenever the lineage of Seth married outside of that line with other lineages that were brothers of Seth, that was when the sons of God (Seth's line) took daughters of men (any of the lineages of the brothers of Seth ) as wives unto them.

 

[Zanting]

So there are no real answers, only speculation...but they are defintely different from each other or scripture would not have made that distinction.

 

[BluhdoftheLamb]

Seth replaced Abel. The godly lineage of Seth is where Israel's family tree is from in coming from Adam.

The rest of Adam's children are the sons of men from which you are referring to.

That means whenever the lineage of Seth married outside of that line with other lineages that were brothers of Seth, that was when the sons of God (Seth's line) took daughters of men (any of the lineages of the brothers of Seth ) as wives unto them.

What's the basis of that distinction? Why isn't that far-fetched?

 

[Bethwhite]

Seth replaced Abel. The godly lineage of Seth is where Israel's family tree is from in coming from Adam.

The rest of Adam's children are the sons of men from which you are referring to.

That means whenever the lineage of Seth married outside of that line with other lineages that were brothers of Seth, that was when the sons of God (Seth's line) took daughters of men (any of the lineages of the brothers of Seth ) as wives unto them.

And yet everywhere "giants" are mentioned in Scripture, they are evil/against God's people, are creepy with bizarre height and extra digits (six fingers/toes).

 

[Truth7t7]

Those are the conclusions you can come to when you give Satan more power than the scriptures do.

When we read Job we understand Satan cannot go beyond what God allows or he would have attacked Job long before he did.

To often Christians give Satan more power than he actually has.

We also see in scripture that angels are under God's charge. They appear by God's command and as many as God desires.

I would have love to have seen the heavenly host that appeared to the shepherds to announce the birth of Christ...that was a HUGE choir...
Luke 2:13, 14
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
14 “Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”

Jesus has charge now!!! Until He comes to earth again to ultimately and finally set things in order...then He will deliver the kingdom to God!

Good Post!

I agree 100% your understanding of satan is right on target!

He is a worm and defeated, and your quote of Job puts him in his place, God rules the existing heavens and earth, and satan would destroy all mankind if he could. The Christian believer is protected with a hedge of God as they are in the Fathers hands, none is greater than the Father.

John 10:28-30 (KJV) 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7