Gay Conversion Therapy

[Inkfingers]

Okay, they're God's business. They're certainly not yours, though.

Wrong. The church is the body of Christ, and Christ is God.

I wonder why you forget that...

 

[Truth7t7]

Have you ever been to an LGBT Pride parade? There's nothing obscene about them, in my experience. Just a load of people marching, waving banners, cheering. There's quite a party atmosphere. And whichever city you live in, there's a maximum of one Pride parade a year (there may well be none), so if you don't like it you can relax and be happy the other 364 days of the year.



Yes. I've heard of this. All I can say is, as was repeated in the relevant thread, that teaching about LGBT history in an age-appropriate way is not the same as teaching people to be homosexual, despite what some people seem to think. Indeed, teaching people to be homosexual is impossible.



I'd say that's Bermuda's decision. It's not one I personally agree with, but it's up to the Bermudan government, and whether or not the Bermudan people agree with the decision, or seek to have it changed now or at some point in the future, remains to be seen.



Most homosexuals and LGBT people in general have no particular interest in conservative religious people and their children, except in so far as those people seek to prevent them living a full and happy life and start hectoring them about how their sexual orientation, sexual activities, and/or "lifestyle", is a sin. They are more than happy to leave you alone, and would deeply appreciate it if you would do the same.

So yes - live and let live.

Your in denial, homosexual parades are obscene, I live in So Cal and have personally witnessed this, "G" strings on males, genitals basically hanging out, SM with wips inhandtranny's with exposed breast's,homosexual revelry.

Your in denial of kindergarten classrooms, and public curriculm, and no they are not going to mention LGBT homosexuality to my child, you nor the public funded school dictates sexuality being taught to my minor child, let alone homosexuality.

There ya have it, no it's not live and let live, get out of the streets and classrooms, and keep it in your bedroom as you previously stated,that would be a start!

 

[Mayzoo]

Have you ever been to an LGBT Pride parade? There's nothing obscene about them, in my experience. Just a load of people marching, waving banners, cheering. There's quite a party atmosphere. And whichever city you live in, there's a maximum of one Pride parade a year (there may well be none), so if you don't like it you can relax and be happy the other 364 days of the year.



Yes. I've heard of this. All I can say is, as was repeated in the relevant thread, that teaching about LGBT history in an age-appropriate way is not the same as teaching people to be homosexual, despite what some people seem to think. Indeed, teaching people to be homosexual is impossible.



I'd say that's Bermuda's decision. It's not one I personally agree with, but it's up to the Bermudan government, and whether or not the Bermudan people agree with the decision, or seek to have it changed now or at some point in the future, remains to be seen.



Most homosexuals and LGBT people in general have no particular interest in conservative religious people and their children, except in so far as those people seek to prevent them living a full and happy life and start hectoring them about how their sexual orientation, sexual activities, and/or "lifestyle", is a sin. They are more than happy to leave you alone, and would deeply appreciate it if you would do the same.

So yes - live and let live.

I'm 50 and live near a major city. So far, I have never seen a LGBT parade in person or on TV. I have never even spoken with anyone that has seen one. I would imagine that is simply because they don't interest me. Those that have seen them must have some interest in them or live on the street on which they occur. Obviously, they are very easy to miss or ignore, whichever one chooses.

 

[Mayzoo]

Your in denial, homosexual parades are obscene, I live in So Cal and have personally witnessed this, "G" strings on males, genitals basically hanging out, SM with wips inhandtranny's with exposed breast's,homosexual revelry.

Your in denial of kindergarten classrooms, and public curriculm, and no they are not going to mention LGBT homosexuality to my child, you nor the public funded school dictates sexuality being taught to my minor child, let alone homosexuality.

There ya have it, no it's not live and let live, get out of the streets and classrooms, and keep it in your bedroom as you previously stated,that would be a start!

Homeschooling, or private schooling is the solution when one does not agree with the approach or curriculum of the public school system. I pay taxes in three school districts, yet I homeschool because the school district told me my daughter would never read or write. She does both at grade level.

Homeschooling is a very effective alternative and legal in all 50 states.

 

[David Brider]

Wrong. The church is the body of Christ, and Christ is God.

I wonder why you forget that...

I don't forget it. I just don't see it as the business of the church, or anyone in it, to be overly concerned (and certainly not in a prurient way) with what it presumes to be the sins of other people. We need to be concerned with our own sins,

 

[Inkfingers]

I don't forget it. I just don't see it as the business of the church, or anyone in it, to be overly concerned (and certainly not in a prurient way) with what it presumes to be the sins of other people. We need to be concerned with our own sins,

So you accept that homosexual acts are sinful then?

 

[David Brider]

Your in denial, homosexual parades are obscene, I live in So Cal and have personally witnessed this, "G" strings on males, genitals basically hanging out, SM with wips inhandtranny's with exposed breast's,homosexual revelry.

I'm not in denial at all. I've been to the LGBT Pride march in London on a few occasions, and not seen anything like what you describe here. Certainly, some of the outfits worn are a bit risque, but nothing is exposed that would remain hidden on a public beach. Most of the people I saw were quite happy wearing their regular clothes. I know I was.

]Your in denial of kindergarten classrooms, and public curriculm, and no they are not going to mention LGBT homosexuality to my child, you nor the public funded school dictates sexuality being taught to my minor child, let alone homosexuality.

Again, not in denial, although not being American and not living in America I don't always understand how the school system works over there. Personally, I would have thought that as long as LGBT history is taught in an age appropriate way, there shouldn't be a problem with it. You obviously disagree with that.

There ya have it, no it's not live and let live, get out of the streets and classrooms, and keep it in your bedroom as you previously stated,that would be a start!

So you definitely don't want to live and let live. Well, that's nice to know.

 

[David Brider]

So you accept that homosexual acts are sinful then?

No. But I accept that you have the right to believe otherwise.

 

[Inkfingers]

No.

Down that path is found heresy and apostasy, so I will leave you to it.

 

[SilverBear]

I have friends whose parents sent them to Christian "conversion therapy" torture camps. They were badly mistreated, and have deep emotional scars from the "therapy." One of them hasn't spoken to his parents in 15 years, and likely never will again, because of what they had done to him.

I've heard the testimony and seen the scars myself. Conversion therapy is, by its nature, abusive.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not in denial at all. I've been to the LGBT Pride march in London on a few occasions, and not seen anything like what you describe here. Certainly, some of the outfits worn are a bit risque, but nothing is exposed that would remain hidden on a public beach. Most of the people I saw were quite happy wearing their regular clothes. I know I was.



Again, not in denial, although not being American and not living in America I don't always understand how the school system works over there. Personally, I would have thought that as long as LGBT history is taught in an age appropriate way, there shouldn't be a problem with it. You obviously disagree with that.



So you definitely don't want to live and let live. Well, that's nice to know.

Get out of the streets and classrooms, and keep it in your bedroom as you previously stated,that would be a start!

 

[Truth7t7]

I've heard the testimony and seen the scars myself. Conversion therapy is, by its nature, abusive.

I feel the same way about homosexual LGBT curriculmn being pushed upon innocent children in kindergarten public classrooms, 100% abusive!

 

[SilverBear]

Well, it isn't that is it. There's a whole agenda demanding we treat same-sex acts, including marriages, as healthy and normal when they are not.

There's also the matter of teaching the gospel too, but I'm assuming we both realise that part.

no they want what everyone else already has. That their marriages be recognized as marriages. It's not about sex. I get that you want it to be only about sex, pretending it's just about sex makes it easier to justify prejudice and drum up hate. But it's not and it is just dishonest when you lie and say it is.

 

[Truth7t7]

no they want what everyone else already has. That their marriages be recognized as marriages. It's not about sex. I get that you want it to be only about sex, pretending it's just about sex makes it easier to justify prejudice and drum up hate. But it's not and it is just dishonest when you lie and say it is.

Are all conservative christians liars, as you accuse inkfingers?

 

[Inkfingers]

it's not and it is just dishonest when you lie and say it is.

Really? What is it about? Baking?

Keep your silly accusations to yourself.

 

[KarateCowboy]

That's nice. People believe lots of things. I still don't see why I should accept that you're in a position to question the feelings of people you've never met.

I don't see why I should accept that I have to meet them. We know from this thing called objective reality that feelings do not dictate reality, and that the satisfaction with their own bodily mutilation is part of their mental illness. Convince me why I'm NOT in a position to question their feelings.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Sorry that just isn't true. Even studies done internally at ex-gay religious programs using strictly adults committed to the process show the same if not worse results. No one changes orientation, not even among adults fully committed to the idea of conversion. Sadly the potential for harm is much much worse for these people. When your motivations for participation are based on your faith - what happens to that faith when you realize that no, you can't pray the gay away?

This is just false. The Jones & Yarhouse study, the best and most rigorous to date, found a meaningful decrease in attraction for some members of the group. It also did not find any evidence of harm. So yes, at least in some cases, you can "pray the SSA away".

 

[KarateCowboy]

and it lost that status when those claiming it was a mental illness were unable to show any evidence that it was a pathology or any kind.

Actually, per the guy who had it removed from the DSM (Dr. Nicolas Cummings) it was removed for political reasons.

 

[Mayzoo]

no they want what everyone else already has. That their marriages be recognized as marriages. It's not about sex. I get that you want it to be only about sex, pretending it's just about sex makes it easier to justify prejudice and drum up hate. But it's not and it is just dishonest when you lie and say it is.

If we estimate sex in marriage at one hour and three times a week, then that means in a year a married couple engages in sex .016% of the time. That makes sex a very small portion of a marriage.

The rest of a marriage is spent in other activities. I have never understood the intense amount of time an average person thinks about sex in marriage, let alone sex in someone else's marriage.

 

[Virginian]

This is not true. They are also God's business, and if you are identifying as a Christian whilst ignoring what he says you need to be told of your error.

You're not God, and you're not my pastor or even my friend. So I can't say I care one bit what you have to say. There's a word for people who butt into other people's business and try to lecture them: jerks.