Gay Conversion Therapy

[Zoii]

Very few people understand what same sex attraction is, where it comes from, how old it is, and why it shows up in humans.

It is best that other humans don't try to convert other humans, when those entities are Christian, and [should] understand that only through the Word of God Himself can one be healed.


In other words, the confused are leading the confused.

Well, not all churches believe that being bi or homosexual is an issue that requires healing

In most western countries, they have complete legal rights including the capacity to marry and raise children.

 

[Kaon]

Well, not all churches believe that being bi or homosexual is an issue that requires healing

In most western countries, they have complete legal rights including the capacity to marry and raise children.

Well, there are plenty of churches that are willing to sacrifice their foundation to fit into the world. That isn't new.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Sooooo, natural selection does not much care if people are in loving relationships. Male/female reproduction exists even in species that do not have feelings or love. For example, many plants reproduce sexually. Loving relationships are a secondary characteristic seen in some sexually reproducing species.

All I hear is it's okay not to love, As long as some heterosexual can produce a child. Gay people can love and produce a child. I'm sure after Conversion therapy failed a long time ago. At some point parents are happy to be grand parents. Unless they are only happy to be grand parents to non married heterosexuals child , even though they don't love each other enough to get along. or married.

 

[Zoii]

Well, there are plenty of churches that are willing to sacrifice their foundation to fit into the world. That isn't new.

The Anglican church, as an example, would argue otherwise.

 

[Kaon]

The Anglican church, as an example, would argue otherwise.

Of course. Denominations are divisible parts of the Church because of doctrinal differences - not necessarily because any one denomination has the Truth. The Living Word of the Most High God Himself is the Truth; humans use canonicity to apply order and control in in their image.


But, homosexual behavior, transgerderism, bisexuality, pansexuality, and gender identity is not new. It is older than most religions themselves, and in and of itself was a foundation practice of sects because of when and where it came from. The Anglican Church is very young, and is in fact a capillary branch of a larger head.

 

[Zoii]

Of course. Denominations are divisible parts of the Church because of doctrinal differences - not necessarily because any one denomination has the Truth. The Living Word of the Most High God Himself is the Truth; humans use canonicity to apply order and control in in their image.


But, homosexual behavior, transgerderism, bisexuality, pansexuality, and gender identity is not new. It is older than most religions themselves, and in and of itself was a foundation practice of sects because of when and where it came from. The Anglican Church is very young, and is in fact a capillary branch of a larger head.

I agree with your view that no denomination or religion or individual, is the repository of truth.

I also agree with you that homosexuality has been prevalent for as long as written histories are recorded.

This OP though is about conversion therapy - There is no independent research that demonstrates that such a therapy provides anything but the will to not have homosexual relations - There is no evidence to suggest it alters the primary homosexual drive. There is however, a reasonable body of research highlighting negative outcomes.

 

[Kaon]

I agree with your view that no denomination or religion or individual, is the repository of truth.

I also agree with you that homosexuality has been prevalent for as long as written histories are recorded.

This OP though is about conversion therapy - There is no independent research that demonstrates that such a therapy provides anything but the will to not have homosexual relations - There is no evidence to suggest it alters the primary homosexual drive. There is however, a reasonable body of research highlighting negative outcomes.

That is why I said this earlier:

Very few people understand what same sex attraction is, where it comes from, how old it is, and why it shows up in humans.

It is best that other humans don't try to convert other humans, when those entities are Christian, and [should] understand that only through the Word of God Himself can one be healed.


In other words, the confused are leading the confused.

 

[KarateCowboy]

All I hear is it's okay not to love, As long as some heterosexual can produce a child. Gay people can love and produce a child. I'm sure after Conversion therapy failed a long time ago. At some point parents are happy to be grand parents. Unless they are only happy to be grand parents to non married heterosexuals child , even though they don't love each other enough to get along. or married.

..... Two guys can produce a child?

I think you may have had a typo there... forget the apostrophe-t?

 

[KarateCowboy]

I agree with your view that no denomination or religion or individual, is the repository of truth.

I also agree with you that homosexuality has been prevalent for as long as written histories are recorded.

This OP though is about conversion therapy - There is no independent research that demonstrates that such a therapy provides anything but the will to not have homosexual relations - There is no evidence to suggest it alters the primary homosexual drive. There is however, a reasonable body of research highlighting negative outcomes.

This is not true.

The best research finds that some change can happen. And, the APA officially stated that there is insufficient evidence to support the claim that it's inherently harmful

 

[Zoii]

This is not true.

The best research finds that some change can happen. And, the APA officially stated that there is insufficient evidence to support the claim that it's inherently harmful

Well actually it is true.

The only independent report I am aware of was an eighteen year old study


ARTICLEmultiple sources exist. Retrospective Self-Reports of Changes in Homosexual Orientation: A Consumer Survey of Conversion Therapy Clients[/paste:font]
Nicolosi, Joseph ; Byrd, A. Dean ; Potts, Richard W
Psychological Reports, June 2000, Vol.86(3_suppl), pp.1071-1088

It showed there was a reduction in homosexual fantasies and contact.

Their follow-up report though showed that participants returned to their previous sexuality baseline.

But hey - I dont care - if as a homosexual you choose conversion therapy, that's your right. BUT such a choice should not be available to minors because there IS evidence of trauma to adolescents undergoing this therapy.

This evidence can be found in several publications far more recent than the 2000 paper. In fact according to the 2009 American Psychological Association task force that conducted a review of studies on gay conversion therapy between 1963 and 2007; it stated that :

• Sexual orientation change was uncommon
• Being gay is NOT a choice
• That adolescents involved in talk-based conversion therapy had a high incidence of reports of harm including suicide.

That said - If you have independent research conducted that reports the opposite of what I've stated, I'm happy to acknowledge it.

 

[Zoii]

..... Two guys can produce a child?

I think you may have had a typo there... forget the apostrophe-t?

errr..... They can and do. Lesbian couples simply need to go to a sperm bank or get a donation from a friend.

For guys the deal is more complex of course.

 

[Zoii]

This is not true.

The best research finds that some change can happen. And, the APA officially stated that there is insufficient evidence to support the claim that it's inherently harmful

I also thought to assist your research on the topic by providing the APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Clients - I draw your attention particularly to Guideline no. 12 and its application. The references they cite will also assist you.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/amp-a0024659.pdf

As you can see they do not support change therapies.