Galatians' Justification

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

You mean other than Judas? He walked daily with Jesus for some period of time during His ministry.

Odd how you can bring that up in contradiction of scripture.



Edit:

Here is one more bit of scripture.

Hmmm... I don't know what to say. I guess it's not too hard to get along with someone who does not believe in eternal security (in contradiction to Scripture). I'm sure you have heard all the arguments on both sides and are not swayed from your position, as have I. So I vote to let it go.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

You are mistaken you should take another look. We will address your post when there is more time

Since Greek verbs are conjugated to express voice, mood, tense, person, and number, the inflectional forms used in Galatians confirm what I have stated above. It is not possible to be mistaken about that!

The verb δικαιωθῶμεν (we might be justified) is in the aorist tense, the Greek tense that always expresses action at a point in time rather than continuous action. It is not possible to be mistaken about that!

 

[Gary K]

Hmmm... I don't know what to say. I guess it's not too hard to get along with someone who does not believe in eternal security (in contradiction to Scripture). I'm sure you have heard all the arguments on both sides and are not swayed from your position, as have I. So I vote to let it go.

OK. Although I find it to be a scary proposition to rebel against God's word to beleive what I want to beleive when scripture directly contradicts what I choose to believe.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

OK. Although I find it to be a scary proposition to rebel against God's word to beleive what I want to beleive when scripture directly contradicts what I choose to believe.

I agree with you 100%, although I would never accuse you of consciously directly contradicting scripture just to satisfy your own desires.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

OK. Although I find it to be a scary proposition to rebel against God's word to beleive what I want to beleive when scripture directly contradicts what I choose to believe.

It is not funny that a Baptist minister (PrincetonGuy) would like a comment from one person accusing the other of conscious rebellion against God's word just so that person may hold on to his beliefs that he knows are against Scripture, especially when the issue at hand is well-known and well-debated, with otherwise honorable people on both sides. Disagreeing on a point of Scripture does not give anyone the right to impune the character of another person.

 

[Gary K]

It is not funny that a Baptist minister (PrincetonGuy) would like a comment from one person accusing the other of conscious rebellion against God's word just so that person may hold on to his beliefs that he knows are against Scripture, especially when the issue at hand is well-known and well-debated, with otherwise honorable people on both sides. Disagreeing on a point of Scripture does not give anyone the right to impune the character of another person.

There is scripture from Ezekiel that says it is our responsibility to warn those we see going down the path that leads to death so I disagree with you.

Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
Eze 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
Eze 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

We are all held responsible by God if we do not warn people that we see going down a path that leads to death.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

The scripture I gave you from Ezekiel says it is our responsibility to warn those I see going down the path that leads to death so I disagree with you, especially as I have already apologized for my wording.

Sorry, I didn't see the apology. Maybe it was to another member on another thread. I saw that one.

 

[Gary K]

Sorry, I didn't see the apology. Maybe it was to another member on another thread. I saw that one.

OK. Sorry about that. I apologize to you too as I don;t think you are dishonest.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

OK. Sorry about that. I apologize to you too as I don;t think you are dishonest.

Appology accepted.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

There is scripture from Ezekiel that says it is our responsibility to warn those we see going down the path that leads to death so I disagree with you.



We are all held responsible by God if we do not warn people that we see going down a path that leads to death.

There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death. (Pr 14:12)

But resting all one's hope in Christ is not one of them.

 

[pasifika]

There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death. (Pr 14:12)

But resting all one's hope in Christ is not one of them.

Yes, because it's the way of God.

 

[Gary K]

There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death. (Pr 14:12)

But resting all one's hope in Christ is not one of them.

I'm not getting your meaning.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

I'm not getting your meaning.

Well, you feel obligated to warn me of impending doom because I fully trust Jesus for the safekeeping of my soul. I am telling you that I agree that it is possible for a person to be deceived into thinking that he is safe when he is not. I am also telling you that my faith in Christ is not misplaced, and resting all my hope in Him will not lead to my eternal death.

 

[Gary K]

Well, you feel obligated to warn me of impending doom because I fully trust Jesus for the safekeeping of my soul. I am telling you that I agree that it is possible for a person to be deceived into thinking that he is safe when he is not. I am also telling you that my faith in Christ is not misplaced, and resting all my hope in Him will not lead to my eternal death.

The problem for belief in OSAS is the Bible refutes that theology.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

The problem for belief in OSAS is the Bible refutes that theology.

No, it doesn't. As strident as you are, I know it must be difficult to accept that some of your views of Scripture may be incorrect. And since you are not the arbiter of what the Bible says, you have no grounds to say, "the Bible refutes that theology". Twisted, the Bible can refute any any theology.

 

[Gary K]

No, it doesn't. As strident as you are, I know it must be difficult to accept that some of your views of Scripture may be incorrect. And since you are not the arbiter of what the Bible says, you have no grounds to say, "the Bible refutes that theology". Twisted, the Bible can refute any any theology.

I see you provided no Biblical evidence for your assertion. I have more Biblical evidence for my position.

2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

I see you provided no Biblical evidence for your assertion. I have more Biblical evidence for my position.

This supports my "twisted" comment:

as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. (2 Pe 3:16)​

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

I can be strident also. Here is our most famous verse plus the verse that follows:

John 3:16–17 (NKJV): For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

According to the Bible, salvation (last word in John 3:17) has 2 components (both in verse 16), namely eternal life and not perishing. What part of “eternal” do you not understand, and what part of “not perish” do you not understand?

If you do not believe salvation is eternal and that saved people will not perish, then you are calling Jesus a liar. See, i can be strident too.

 

[Gary K]

I can be strident also. Here is our most famous verse plus the verse that follows:

John 3:16–17 (NKJV): For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

According to the Bible, salvation (last word in John 3:17) has 2 components (both in verse 16), namely eternal life and not perishing. What part of “eternal” do you not understand, and what part of “not perish” do you not understand?

If you do not believe salvation is eternal and that saved people will not perish, then you are calling Jesus a liar. See, i can be strident too.

Just how does that text exclude other scripture that says we can walk away from God? And, why do you choose to make God argue with Himself? Your position does not harmonize all scripture. Mine does as your proof text does not eliminate the possibility of free will allowing us to walk away from God. Do we lose our free will when we become Christians?

 

[Gary K]

My statements in post #49 refer to your statement regarding the racism of the Jews.

My post #49 does not refer to you personally.

Post #49 on this thread is one of my posts.