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Futurists vs Preterists

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Willis Deal, Apr 12, 2002.

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  1. Kelier

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    Thank you for merging these threads! It makes it a lot easier for me!:)
     
  2. TheBear

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    *** MOD HAT ON ***

    We are starting way too many identical topic threads. This thread is one of them. I'll will be merging this with other duplicate topic threads.

    This thread is to remain open, until it is merged with other threads.


    Thank you,

    John


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  3. kern

    kern Miserere Nobis

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    So everyone who doesn't hold your exact beliefs is a "non-believer" and doesn't get to post here? What's the point of a forum if no one can raising opposing viewpoints?

    -Chris
     
  4. solo66 man

    solo66 man Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm, preterists only post when they are interupting a thread?
     
  5. NumberOneSon

    NumberOneSon The poster formerly known as Acts6:5

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    Hi Ephesian,

    Your #15 post was really great. I can understand that sometimes the futurist believers here would want to discuss their likeminded viewpoints without preterists adding their two cents, or three or fifty! That is completely understandable. Maybe we don't always have to jump in and add our points of view to your discussions. I haven't been here long enough to do that, but I will take it into consideration. Thanks for expressing your concerns.

    You are right: a futurist does not need to be converted on every end-time thread. I would also like to add that every preterist does not need to be tared 'n feathered, declared anathema, and burned at the stake as a heretic (which, of course, you have not done, Ephesian).

    As a final note, the appeal of preterism to me is the absolute trustworthiness of the scriptures. If some on this board think that preterism is believed because of a desire to miss the Tribulation, they are grieviously mistaken. The power of the preterist eschatology is the incredible realization of end-time prophecy within it's proper context, and the realization of just how accurate God's Word is.

    God bless you too, and may He grant you an abundance of wisdom.

    In Christ,

    Acts6:5
     
  6. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

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    uh..what do you mean by 'interrupt'??

    The threads are not interrupted by people posting. Unless I'm understanding the word in a different manner.

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  7. solo66 man

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    Remember, if your thread is being interupted by a person you do not wish to respond to, simply use your ignore button
    nest to your edit and quote buttons.
     
  8. Susan

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    Nest to them? i do not see a nest. I think you may have meant "next?" :confused:
     
  9. NumberOneSon

    NumberOneSon The poster formerly known as Acts6:5

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    Come on, Solo, this thread has only been on here for less then an hour and you are already calling us into question. How about some grace, huh?

    Hi Kelier, thanks for your inquiry! I'm sure the rest of the guys (and gals) here will be willing to answer any question you have.

    Now, concerning the second coming of Christ; there are two views of preterism, and they are Partial preterism and full preterism. The difference between the two concerns mostly the second coming.

    1.) Partial Preterists believe that there was a coming of Christ in 70AD, which Jesus spoke of in Matt. 24:2-34, but there will also be a final "coming" of Christ in the future that will end the world, similiar to what futurists believe.

    2.) Full Preterists, on the other hand, believe that THE coming of Christ occured in 70AD, with the destruction of the Old Covenant nation of Israel by the Romans. Unless you take a look at the history the event will not seem all that important to you at this time, but it meant a great deal to the people living in that time. So basically Full preterism teaches that all end-time prophecy has culminated, but that it continues to be fulfilled to this day. To understand why they think this way you should start by reading Matthew chapter 24:1-34. Jesus said that all of those things would occur within His generation.

    Hopefully that answers your question. If you have others then we hope to hear from you soon. Take care.

    In Christ,

    Acts6:5
     
  10. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

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    Hi Kelier,

    Great question!! The preterist view of the 2nd coming of Jesus was to end the old covenant and firmly establish the new covenant (at the end of the old covenant). :)

    Preterism is also known as Covenant Eschatology.

    We believe that Heb 8:7-13 speaks of the Old Covenant which was passing away during the first century. And that the New Covenant would replace the old at Christ's second coming. We believe that the "church age" will never be end (Ps 145:13, Eph 3:21, Luke 1:33, Dan 2:44, etc) and that the earth (as in terra firma) will not be destroyed (Gen 8:20-21 Ecc 1:4, Ps 78:69, Ps 104:5, Ps 145:13)

    You might be thinking about Matt 24:29 which says:

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

    But we know Jesus was quoting Isaiah 13:10. The interesting thing is that all of Isaiah chapter 13 was fulfilled in 539 BC. Isaiah 13:1 clearly says that Isaiah 13:10 would happen upon Babylon. Historical records claim that this happened as fulfilled. Isaiah chapter 13 has nothing to do with the end times. And I don't believe that Isaiah 13:10 is to be taken literally, since all of Isaiah 13 happened. Thus I believe that Matt 24:29 shouldn't be taken literally.

    Hm..what else was there?? We believe that Matthew 24 was fulfilled (especially the destruction of the temple, verse 3) in 70 AD and that Matthew 16:27-28 meant that Jesus would show up in the lifetime of the apostles. The same is true for matthew 26:64, where Jesus said the high priest would live to witness his coming. I think that would partly explain the reason why he was accused of blasphemy.

    So anyway, we see the book of Revelation as a covenantal shift from the old covenant to the new and since the kingdom of God will reign forever (Eph 3:21, Luke 1:33, Dan 2:44), I get excited seeing how God is changing the world for the better!! I believe God has wonderful plans for the future! =)

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  11. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

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    Hi Acts6:5,

    Are you a full or partial preterist? It's comforting to meet other preterists, even if they're partial =)

    By the way thanks for sharing the difference between the two. I should've mentioned it. =)

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  12. NumberOneSon

    NumberOneSon The poster formerly known as Acts6:5

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    Hi Hoonbaba!

    I'm in between partial and full. Not quite sure which one yet. Aren't you the same Hoon down at the CARM forum? My username there is "NumberOneSon". Hope to see you there too. I wish you the best here.

    In Christ,

    Acts6:5
     
  13. davo

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    G'day Ephesian :wave:

    My thoughts were purely general and I wasn't "targeting" anyone in particular. It is abundantly clear for anyone reading through this part of the forum who takes issue with our position, and their Christ-like[???] attitude they reflect -that is self evident. However even though we [you and us preterists] may differ in our conclusions, I can (and do) appreciate your thoughs above.

    davo
     
  14. rollinTHUNDER

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    Well, I am still not banned yet, but I don't even know if that is a good sign, or what?? I can see that a few are trying to work this out, as to try to get along. I can't say that that is a bad idea. I tried that too, but it always ended up in a tug of war, mainly because you can't get away from them. They attack every thread on end times. It's like trying to breathe in some fresh air, in a room that is full of smokers. I can only see trouble ahead. But, I've definitely said my share and more, now I will just sit back and watch. And I'll be watching to see how long it takes before the light comes on, and more people realize that it just won't work. ROTS A RUCK
     
  15. The Messenger

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    the best lies have a "kernel" of truth in them...

    Genesis 3:1-6
    Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden'?" And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'" But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate.
     
  16. NumberOneSon

    NumberOneSon The poster formerly known as Acts6:5

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    Hi Thunder,

    I've read a similar statement from Ephesian. And as I said to him, you have a point; sometimes you guys do want a breathe of fresh air and just want to discuss certain futuristic topics without serious debate. I can appreciate that, and I think others can to. So for what it's worth, I hope us preterists can be sensitive to that and allow us to discuss these things without always debating. Do you agree with me on that?

    In Christ,

    Acts6:5
     
  17. Auntie

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    What kind of church do preterists go to? Is it possible that preterists attend my church? Also, how many preterists might be in a typical church--like a percentage. 20%? 30%?
     
  18. TheBear

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    All views and ideas are welcome here, as long as forum rules are adheared to. The forum rules are in place for everyone's benefit.



    John
     
  19. NumberOneSon

    NumberOneSon The poster formerly known as Acts6:5

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    Hi Auntie,

    No infiltration involved, rest assured. Preterists go to all various sorts of churches, because preterism isn't a denomination. Same with futurists - you can find them in every church imaginable. There are some preterists that start their own fellowships, like house-churches or cellgroups, because of incompatability with certain doctrinal positions (like charismatic doctrines for example). But it really just varies. I hope that answers your question, Auntie.

    In Christ,

    Acts6:5
     
  20. NumberOneSon

    NumberOneSon The poster formerly known as Acts6:5

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    Thanks Bear!
     
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