Freemasonry. Separating myth from fiction.

[morningstar2651]

What I've posted is an uncomfortable truth that you willingly associated your organization with Bill Schnoebelen an ex-witch/ex-vampire/ex-mormon/ex-catholic/ex-mason/ex-satanist.

Prove me wrong.

Seriously, in 1980 this guy was allegedly an Old Roman Catholic Wiccan Spiritualist Hardcore Satanic Freemason Mormon Vampire.

All at once.

And emfj.org, in their infinite wisdom, decided that this would be a good and honest person to associate with.

 

[morningstar2651]

Never doubted that to be your position.

Just wanted you to know that if I join freemasonry, it's because you convinced me it was a good idea.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Just wanted you to know that if I join freemasonry, it's because you convinced me it was a good idea.

Yes, seriously.

Of course I won't join because of their belief-in-God requirement, but I've never looked more sympathetically upon the Freemasons until reading these threads.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Skip Sampson]

If you think I'm going to put my lodge or GL in your hands, then you are seriously insane.

You are the one who raised the challenge by claiming the GL is allowing your lodge to operate in a forbidden manner. That you again fail to follow through is nothing new, and is one of the reasons I am doubting that you are a 'regular' Mason. Cordially, Skip.

 

[Albion]

Yes, seriously.

Of course I won't join because of their belief-in-God requirement, but I've never looked more sympathetically upon the Freemasons until reading these threads.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Of course we're happy to know you feel that way. It reminds me of my own experience. I didn't grow up knowing grandpa to be a Mason, or anything like that. But in business, I used to work with all sorts of people, and a shockingly high percentage of the "civic leader" types were personable cheats and double-crossers, cutting corners with every law they could get around, etc. The few I knew to be Masons impressed me by NOT being that way, and in a very quiet way. None ever told me that they were going to be doing a great thing by not acting like all the others, and none ever said that their actions were because they were Masons or part of some movement that was supposed to go around helping the world, like certain church groups. But there was a difference, and it made an impression on me, persuading me that the good things about Masonry I'd read about weren't exaggerations.

 

[duane washum]

Yes, seriously.

Of course I won't join because of their belief-in-God requirement, but I've never looked more sympathetically upon the Freemasons until reading these threads.


eudaimonia,

Mark

If that is the stumbling block, just know that in most situations you are only required to believe that a supreme being of some sort exists. Bearing that in mind, simply recall the incident when Jesus Christ encountered the madman controlled by "Legion". Legion's voice cried out, "What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?"

So you see, eudaimonia, as a rule, it is not required that you believe in God; only that you believe a supreme being exists. Matter of fact, in any instances where a Mason might claim you have to believe in the True and Living God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you are quite free to lie about it if you so desire.

 

[Albion]

If that is the stumbling block, just know that in most situations you are only required to believe that a supreme being of some sort exists. Bearing that in mind, simply recall the incident when Jesus Christ encountered the madman controlled by "Legion". Legion's voice cried out, "What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?"

So you see, eudaimonia, as a rule, it is not required that you believe in God; only that you believe a supreme being exists. Matter of fact, in any instances where a Mason might claim you have to believe in the True and Living God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you are quite free to lie about it if you so desire.

You are not free to lie about it. You may be able to lie about it.

Mark sounds like a man with standards, and I respect that.

 

[duane washum]

". . .if you so desire."

 

[circuitrider]

Yes, seriously.

Of course I won't join because of their belief-in-God requirement, but I've never looked more sympathetically upon the Freemasons until reading these threads.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Mark, I appreciate your candor and depth of personal conviction. If you aren't a theist that is a wise decision.

However, you don't have to be a theist in the same way other friends or some other Masons are theists. There is no requirement for a Christian concept of God or anyone else's concept of God other than your own.

We use terms like Supreme Being, Great Architect of the Universe, and Supreme Architect of the Universe. If any of those fit your own understanding you are welcome.

But even if that isn't you I appreciate you knowing your own convictions.

 

[circuitrider]

Just wanted you to know that if I join freemasonry, it's because you convinced me it was a good idea.

I know what you mean. Any time DW talks it makes me want to join another Masonic order.

 

[Simpleman25]

If that is the stumbling block, just know that in most situations you are only required to believe that a supreme being of some sort exists. Bearing that in mind, simply recall the incident when Jesus Christ encountered the madman controlled by "Legion". Legion's voice cried out, "What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?"

So you see, eudaimonia, as a rule, it is not required that you believe in God; only that you believe a supreme being exists. Matter of fact, in any instances where a Mason might claim you have to believe in the True and Living God who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you are quite free to lie about it if you so desire.

Finally! Honesty from dw/strawman.

He's telling us exactly how he lives his life. His motto is that it's ok to lie as long as you get what you want.

Quite a telling comment if you ask me.

Just shows that his cult will stoop to any level to make point.

 

[duane washum]

Skip, it appears as though Simpleman25 is claiming the Southern Baptist Convention is a cult.

 

[circuitrider]

You know I have to say I greatly appreciate the efforts of Skip and Duane to show non-Masons just how bizarre anti-masonic thinking is. You all are doing a great job recruiting for us.

 

[duane washum]

You know I have to say I greatly appreciate the efforts of Skip and Duane to show non-Masons just how bizarre anti-masonic thinking is. You all are doing a great job recruiting for us.

Actually, what is bizarre is Simpleman's obsession with tarring and feathering Skip Sampson. According to Simple, E5-11 and EMFJ are cults, therefore Skip belongs to a cult. Simple's simple problem, aside from the fact that neither of those counter-cult ministries are cults, is that Skip is not a member of either of them. The only organization I am aware of that Skip is a member of is his church, so it is obviously Skip's church, ergo the Southern Baptist Convention, that Simpleman considedr as being a cult.

If you say this is wrong, is it also YOUR position that the SBC is a cult? Confession time.

 

[Simpleman25]

Actually, what is bizarre is Simpleman's obsession with tarring and feathering Skip Sampson. According to Simple, E5-11 and EMFJ are cults, therefore Skip belongs to a cult. Simple's simple problem, aside from the fact that neither of those counter-cult ministries are cults, is that Skip is not a member of either of them. The only organization I am aware of that Skip is a member of is his church, so it is obviously Skip's church, ergo the Southern Baptist Convention, that Simpleman considedr as being a cult.

If you say this is wrong, is it also YOUR position that the SBC is a cult? Confession time.

Love to see you protect one of your own cult members.

Nice to see you sticking with your playbook as well. Problem for you is I've witnessed your game play before. I've watched from afar for years just waiting for the chance to call you out.

It's so much easier than I thought.

 

[duane washum]

Simple does as Simple is.

 

[Skip Sampson]

Skip, it appears as though Simpleman25 is claiming the Southern Baptist Convention is a cult.

I think he's confused about many things; perhaps the SBC might be one of them. I think he's mainly trying to make the case that we are both members of a cult, though I doubt if he could even provide a workable definition of the term. Moreover, how am I a member of the EMFJ "cult" if I'm not a member of EMFJ? After all, I am not an ex-Mason, though I am, of course, occasionally referred to as a WM.

At any rate, he sounds a single note, and off-key at that, so he's not to be taken seriously. He is, though, a good example of the 'better' man Masonry builds. Cordially, Skip.

 

[morningstar2651]

Question for the Freemasons:

What is your opinion, if any, of organizations like the O.T.O. or the A∴A∴?

 

[Albion]

Question for the Freemasons:

What is your opinion, if any, of organizations like the O.T.O. or the A∴A∴?

I don't recognize the initials (and punctuation) you used there. Is that Alcoholics Anonymous?

 

[circuitrider]

I don't know much about O.T.O. other than it appears to me that Alistair Crowley was kind of a nut. It isn't a Masonic organization. A.A., I'm not sure what that is either.