Freemasonry. Separating myth from fiction.

[circuitrider]

OK, so it's more a 'theists club' than a Christian denomination. Why is there a lot of rumour about freemasons controlling the world? Is that a reaction to the secrecy and symbolism, or is the Queen a mason herself?

Thanks for asking. Beyond the reasons Albion mentioned is that some people make money or get prestige from spreading conspiracy theories about Freemasonry and a lot of other topics. Anti-masonic authors cell books, tapes, and CDs. They may get asked for speaking engagements. They can set up websites and seek to get some followers who will follow their conspiracy drumbeat.

Also some fundamentalist Christians have to have an opponent to validate their faith. Part of their faith is found in being the "righteous remnant." They know they are right because they have enemies. It is a twisted logic I know. But it is at the root of much of fundamentalism. You only know you are right when people oppose you.

 

[duane washum]

Was it you that thought it was a good idea?

What I think is a good idea is that you get your facts straight, which you have failed miserably at. You have posted pure nonsense and now seem to not have the courage to admit you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[circuitrider]

What I think is a good idea is that you get your facts straight, which you have failed miserably at. You have posted pure nonsense and now seem to not have the courage to admit you don't know what you're talking about.

That is pretty funny coming from you!

 

[duane washum]

That is pretty funny coming from you!

And this is a pretty sad intervention coming from you, but not surprising.

 

[circuitrider]

And this is a pretty sad intervention coming from you, but not surprising.

You are welcome Duane.

 

[Skip Sampson]

I'll give you a hint about the site. They were actually open and willing to start a forum on their Masonic site for antimasons. There was talk of actually making you a mod for them. Instead of seizing the chance to be a part of something open and honest, you couldn't help yourself. You ruined it by not following established rules and guidelines.

As before, what site? What rules did I not follow? You are long on accusations and short on facts.

But, I'll let you off the hook. Here is a cite in which I explained two of my bannings: Ephesians 5:11 - Masonic Discussion Board: Reflections on the LodgeroomUS Forum

I've told you how my own lodge contradicts state GL rules. Yet we're still here and a recognized lodge.

Ok, let me know your lodge's official name and I'll contact your GL and pass on the word about what you are up to. Let's see what power they actually have.

Masonry has to change and grow with society if we want to survive.

Fair enough comment. I don't think it can. Cordially, Skip.

 

[Skip Sampson]

Masonry is much more like Boy Scouts for adults, if you want to make some comparison at all.

You cannot be serious. Cordially, Skip.

 

[Simpleman25]

As before, what site? What rules did I not follow? You are long on accusations and short on facts.

But, I'll let you off the hook. Here is a cite in which I explained two of my bannings: Ephesians 5:11 - Masonic Discussion Board: Reflections on the LodgeroomUS Forum

Ok, let me know your lodge's official name and I'll contact your GL and pass on the word about what you are up to. Let's see what power they actually have.

Fair enough comment. I don't think it can. Cordially, Skip.

I told you which site with my explanation. You can play dumb if you like. Then again you may not be playing.
If you think I'm going to put my lodge or GL in your hands, then you are seriously insane. After all the hateful, mean spirited, lack of common sense things you've done? Get a grip on reality man.

Now go ahead and pull from your cult playbook and say what you normally say. I've read it for years and don't expect you to change. After all you would have to answer to your leaders if you didn't follow the script.

Something else we can disagree on. I think if freemasonry as a whole can move forward as a group into this century, we'll be fine.

 

[Simpleman25]

I would like all the readers go back and read just my conversations with the two who are against freemasonry.

One thing that is a part of their playbook should jump out at you.

When they ask a question and it isn't answered in a way they can debate it, they drop it. If there isn't a response already written, they pass on it. Look at all the answers I've given them that they don't want to talk about.

In a debate flow chart that clearly goes down a win for this side.

Don't let their grandstanding take you away from what's going on.

They live by the spin. They can and do spin dang near everything that's said. The idiotic post that was made about the party at a lodge earlier reflects this clearly. The spin they put on that was shameful. Not one mason was involved. Would they point that out? Fortunately the readers saw through this tactic.

 

[duane washum]

Hey, Skip. Something I've been curious about: The church I am a member of is a congregation of Foursquare Gospel; if I recall correctly, your church is of the Southern Baptist Convention.

Yet, Simple says:

Now go ahead and pull from your cult playbook and say what you normally say. I've read it for years and don't expect you to change. After all you would have to answer to your leaders if you didn't follow the script.

Now, he has accused both of us as being cultists. Does he truly mean the ICFG and the SBC are both cults? If so, the "playbook" he must necessarily be spewing about is God's Written Word. At least, that's the only "playbook" I am aware of that is used by ICFG and SBC. And if so, I wonder when somebody plans to rein him in?

 

[Simpleman25]

Hey, Skip. Something I've been curious about: The church I am a member of is a congregation of Foursquare Gospel; if I recall correctly, your church is of the Southern Baptist Convention.

Yet, Simple says:


Now, he has accused both of us as being cultists. Does he truly mean the ICFG and the SBC are both cults? And if so, I wonder when somebody plans to rein him in?

This has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever posted. That's saying a lot considering your postings.

You know darn well the cult group I'm referring to is emfj & e511.

Just another lame try at spinning something to fit your agenda.

Then again your just living up to your nickname. Right strawman?

 

[gamewell45]

This has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever posted. That's saying a lot considering your postings.

You know darn well the cult group I'm referring to is emfj & e511.

Just another lame try at spinning something to fit your agenda.

Then again your just living up to your nickname. Right strawman?

There's a very informative website where you can learn more about Duane; Bro. Ed King's writings were an eye opener for me.

Anti-Masonic Examples: Duane Washum

 

[duane washum]

There's a very informative website where you can learn more about Duane

Yes. Visit the testimonies section of Ex Masons For Jesus.

 

[Simpleman25]

Yes. Visit the testimonies section of Ex Masons For Jesus.

It's actually an interesting site. Especially if you like reading fiction.


They claim they've led thousands of masons away from the lodge. Yet the same three or four testimonies are all you'll read.

You'd think that if they led so many away they'd have more testimonies?

I think there's only a few because dw can only tell his story so many ways.

 

[gamewell45]

Yes. Visit the testimonies section of Ex Masons For Jesus.

By all means do so; according to the website there is about 6 or so members.

 

[morningstar2651]

What I think is a good idea is that you get your facts straight, which you have failed miserably at. You have posted pure nonsense and now seem to not have the courage to admit you don't know what you're talking about.

What I've posted is an uncomfortable truth that you willingly associated your organization with Bill Schnoebelen an ex-witch/ex-vampire/ex-mormon/ex-catholic/ex-mason/ex-satanist.

Prove me wrong.

 

[morningstar2651]

I'm tempted to join a lodge just to spite Duane & Skip.

 

[Simpleman25]

What I've posted is an uncomfortable truth that you willingly associated your organization with Bill Schnoebelen an ex-witch/ex-vampire/ex-mormon/ex-catholic/ex-mason/ex-satanist.

Prove me wrong.

For more fun, look up some of those other ministries they support. It's a literal who's who of nutty whack job types.


The vast majority of them are hawking some book, tape, or video.

They remind me of snake oil salesmen.

 

[duane washum]

I'm tempted to join a lodge just to spite Duane & Skip.

Never doubted that to be your position.

 

[duane washum]

Hmm. Another "expert" on Masonry who automatically assumes that this was planned by that lodge.

My automatic assumption is that the lodge didn't let the use of their building out for nothing.